Trump's conspiracies pose 'existential' threat to electronic voting industry -Smartmatic

[J Town]

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

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But still, $200 million is enough to afford a lot of attorneys' fees and pay a lot of settlements using suckers' money.

 

Two problems:

 

1.  45 owes a LOT more money than he has cash, and

2.  He has a tragic history of stiffing his employees.

 

Not many legitimate attorneys will walk into THAT swirling toilet. As well, he has some very serious creditors with payments due to them soon and they don't accept bankruptcy as an answer and pay no attention to extradition laws. They break bones.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, J Town said:

Not many legitimate attorneys will walk into THAT swirling toilet. As well, he has some very serious creditors with payments due to them soon and they don't accept bankruptcy as an answer and pay no attention to extradition laws. They break bones.

 

Be interesting to see how the banks handle Trump post presidency. Unfortunately, they've let him off lightly before in cases where he ended up basically walking away from debt obligations with very little personal liability.  I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[polpott]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

As well, he has some very serious creditors with payments due to them soon and they don't accept bankruptcy as an answer and pay no attention to extradition laws. They break bones.

Old school. His serious creditors  now use Novichock.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

there's your fraud.  illegal aliens.

 

That'll be some for sure.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

From an engineers point of view, you don't need to fix something which isn't broken.

 

Looks look they work very well. 

[candide]

And now Giuliani! It looks like it will be a huge case of organised conspiracy to defame a company. ????

 

Giuliani told to prepare for 'imminent' legal action from Dominion Voting Systems

https://news.yahoo.com/giuliani-told-prepare-imminent-legal-183900567.html

The letter here. Footnotes matter. Here's an extract:

"Because you have been, and continue to be, an architect and driver of the ongoing misinformation campaign against Dominion, we write to you now to (1) demand that you cease and desist making defamatory claims against Dominion and (2) ensure that there is no confusion about your obligation to preserve and retain all documents relating to Dominion and your smear campaign against the company," 

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-docs-dominion-warns-trump-234834798.html

 

And right-wing media:

Among those who received letters warning of impending legal action were Fox News hosts Maria Bartiromo, Sean Hannity and Lou Dobbs, right-wing radio host Rush Limbaugh, Newsmax head Chris Ruddy and Donald Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani.

https://news.yahoo.com/dominion-voting-systems-prepares-defamation-200833295.html

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

And now Giuliani! It looks like it will be a huge case of organised conspiracy to defame a company. ????

 

Giuliani told to prepare for 'imminent' legal action from Dominion Voting Systems

https://news.yahoo.com/giuliani-told-prepare-imminent-legal-183900567.html

The letter here. Footnotes matter. Here's an extract:

"Because you have been, and continue to be, an architect and driver of the ongoing misinformation campaign against Dominion, we write to you now to (1) demand that you cease and desist making defamatory claims against Dominion and (2) ensure that there is no confusion about your obligation to preserve and retain all documents relating to Dominion and your smear campaign against the company," 

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-docs-dominion-warns-trump-234834798.html

 

And right-wing media:

Among those who received letters warning of impending legal action were Fox News hosts Maria Bartiromo, Sean Hannity and Lou Dobbs, right-wing radio host Rush Limbaugh, Newsmax head Chris Ruddy and Donald Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani.

https://news.yahoo.com/dominion-voting-systems-prepares-defamation-200833295.html

In an interview recently, Eric Coomer CEO Dominion hint that he may go after Trump when he stepped down. After all the threats to him and his family and even his father, he deservingly should go after all the conspirators and the conspirator in chief. 
https://www.businessinsider.com/dominion-voting-eric-coomer-sues-trump-campaign-allies-defamation-2020-12

[candide]

11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

In an interview recently, Eric Coomer CEO Dominion hint that he may go after Trump when he stepped down. After all the threats to him and his family and even his father, he deservingly should go after all the conspirators and the conspirator in chief. 
https://www.businessinsider.com/dominion-voting-eric-coomer-sues-trump-campaign-allies-defamation-2020-12

In case it would be needed to mention it, all these complaints will be filed at state courts. ????

[connda]

Make those proprietary black-box voting machine into openly auditable, open-source machines and there would not be this problem. 
Again - I could give a s*** who is selected.
What I care about is future elections from the top on down.
I will never trust a black-box voting machine running proprietary software and which does not follow cybersecurity "hardening" protocols including have no way to hook the box to the internet.
The only access to the machines should be via encrpypted auditable key files.

Without that level of security the boxes can be rigged to pick whoever controls the boxes. 
 

[connda]

21 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

In an interview recently, Eric Coomer CEO Dominion hint that he may go after Trump when he stepped down. After all the threats to him and his family and even his father, he deservingly should go after all the conspirators and the conspirator in chief. 
 

And I hope Coomer takes it to court.  But I doubt that will happen.  Why?  Because everything then comes out in pre-trail discovery.   I really doubt he wants to open that can of worms.  My guess.  This is a lot of hot air and posturing.  Personally I'd love to see a lawsuit filed.  Doubt it will happen.

[Rimmer]

An inflammatory post bordering on a personal attack has been removed also a reply

[Kelsall]

On 12/22/2020 at 4:41 PM, Walker88 said:

45 has to spout his bizarre conspiracy theories and get in his slander before 20 January. Though the silly OLC opinion on the invulnerability of a sitting POTUS would probably not hold up in court, after 20 January there is no doubt he can be sued for slander.

 

What scared the bejesus out of fox, lou dobbs, newsmax and even oann should scare 45. The last thing he needs is yet another lawsuit, as he will have plenty to deal with.

Are you kidding?  Trump has spent most of his life in litigation.  One more lawsuit won't phase him a bit.

[candide]

2 hours ago, connda said:

And I hope Coomer takes it to court.  But I doubt that will happen.  Why?  Because everything then comes out in pre-trail discovery.   I really doubt he wants to open that can of worms.  My guess.  This is a lot of hot air and posturing.  Personally I'd love to see a lawsuit filed.  Doubt it will happen.

In defamation cases, it's the slanderer who has to provide evidence to prove his accusations, not the opposite. As Giuliani and others don't have any evidence which could be accepted in courts (as around 60 cases have already shown), nothing else will come out (in case there would be anything).

Edited December 25, 2020 by candide

[connda]

28 minutes ago, candide said:

In defamation cases, it's the slanderer who has to provide evidence to prove his accusations, not the opposite. As Giuliani and others don't have any evidence which could be accepted in courts (as around 60 cases have already shown), nothing else will come out (in case there would be anything).

Again.  If it goes to court then there is discovery.  If you are accused of libel/defamation and taken to court, they you get to present evidence.  There is still discovery and a presentation of evidence beyond the 'accuser' stating the allegations are a lie.
Everyone gets to be heard.  Evidence from both side gets to be presented.

A jury gets to decide the merits of the evidence.  And the chips fall where they may.

If it is a blatant lie - then the parties will probably settle out of court.  Time will tell.

[candide]

12 minutes ago, connda said:

Again.  If it goes to court then there is discovery.  If you are accused of libel/defamation and taken to court, they you get to present evidence.  There is still discovery and a presentation of evidence beyond the 'accuser' stating the allegations are a lie.
Everyone gets to be heard.  Evidence from both side gets to be presented.

A jury gets to decide the merits of the evidence.  And the chips fall where they may.

If it is a blatant lie - then the parties will probably settle out of court.  Time will tell.

I see what you mean.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Kelsall said:

Are you kidding?  Trump has spent most of his life in litigation.  One more lawsuit won't phase him a bit.

Al Capone had many lawsuit too. Just need one to put him away for good. 

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3 hours ago, connda said:

And I hope Coomer takes it to court.  But I doubt that will happen.  Why?  Because everything then comes out in pre-trail discovery.   I really doubt he wants to open that can of worms.  My guess.  This is a lot of hot air and posturing.  Personally I'd love to see a lawsuit filed.  Doubt it will happen.

You mean the imaginary can or rathers cans of worms alleged by such luminaries as Sidney Powell? Based on the testimony of expert witnesses such as Terpsichore Maras-Lindeman?

"In a recent civil fraud case, attorneys for the state of North Dakota said that Maras-Lindeman falsely claimed to be a medical doctor and to have both a PhD and an MBA. They said she used multiple aliases and social security numbers and created exaggerated online résumés as part of what they called “a persistent effort . . . to deceive others.”...

Maras-Lindeman’s 37-page affidavit outlines a purported conspiracy by the Canadian company Dominion Voting Systems, which sells voting machines used in some states, and Scytl, a Spain-based firm that provides election software. She claims that votes cast on Dominion machines in key states were hacked as they passed through Scytl tallying systems and rigged in favor of Biden."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/sidney-powells-secret-intelligence-contractor-witness-is-a-pro-trump-podcaster/2020/12/24/d5a1ab9e-4403-11eb-a277-49a6d1f9dff1_story.html

 

 

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Are you kidding?  Trump has spent most of his life in litigation.  One more lawsuit won't phase him a bit.

Its sad you support a person that had to spend most of his life fighting litigation.

[ChouDoufu]

enter the kraken....

 

 

Sidney Powell’s secret intelligence contractor witness is a pro-Trump podcaster

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/sidney-powells-secret-intelligence-contractor-witness-is-a-pro-trump-podcaster/2020/12/24/d5a1ab9e-4403-11eb-a277-49a6d1f9dff1_story.html

[nauseus]

13 hours ago, candide said:

In defamation cases, it's the slanderer who has to provide evidence to prove his accusations, not the opposite. As Giuliani and others don't have any evidence which could be accepted in courts (as around 60 cases have already shown), nothing else will come out (in case there would be anything).

 

Well in this case the court would actually have to allow and hear the evidence, which they haven't done as yet. So that should be interesting.

[Berkshire]

9 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

enter the kraken....

 

 

Sidney Powell’s secret intelligence contractor witness is a pro-Trump podcaster

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/sidney-powells-secret-intelligence-contractor-witness-is-a-pro-trump-podcaster/2020/12/24/d5a1ab9e-4403-11eb-a277-49a6d1f9dff1_story.html

Yes, Powell's primary source for her core allegations isn't an intel expert at all but someone even nuttier than herself. 

[polpott]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

Well in this case the court would actually have to allow and hear the evidence, which they haven't done as yet. So that should be interesting.

They haven't heard the evidence because no one has been able to provide any.

[Jeffr2]

Gotta love it.  I guess the threat of lawsuits worked.  Not a mention of voter fraud on Fox today.  Fantastic.

[candide]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Well in this case the court would actually have to allow and hear the evidence, which they haven't done as yet. So that should be interesting.

Which evidence?

[onthedarkside]

A U.S. election-related post linking to a website rated as "Conspiracy-Pseudoscience" has been removed along with numerous replies.

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, polpott said:

They haven't heard the evidence because no one has been able to provide any.

 

1 hour ago, candide said:

Which evidence?

To be fair, recently 1 (!) case of attempted (!) voter fraud was discovered. That was a Trump supporter (!) trying to vote for Trump twice (or thrice). Go figure, and add to that all the legal voter suppression which kept Trump and the Republicans in power. 

[Jeffr2]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

To be fair, recently 1 (!) case of attempted (!) voter fraud was discovered. That was a Trump supporter (!) trying to vote for Trump twice (or thrice). Go figure, and add to that all the legal voter suppression which kept Trump and the Republicans in power. 

MAGA people don't seem to care about the facts or the truth.  Just the conspiracy theories put out by Trump.

[candide]

Interesting article on likely lawsuits

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/dec/23/how-fox-news-newsmax-vote-rigging-coverage-squares/

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On 12/26/2020 at 9:14 AM, nauseus said:

 

Well in this case the court would actually have to allow and hear the evidence, which they haven't done as yet. So that should be interesting.

Nonsense. Evidence has been submitted to the courts for consideration on whether the suits have enough merit to proceed. They've repeatedly been rejected with scorn.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Nonsense. Evidence has been submitted to the courts for consideration on whether the suits have enough merit to proceed. They've repeatedly been rejected with scorn.

 

Nonsense back. There have been no trials granted.