28 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well that’s the chip on the shoulder view.

 

The fact is the UK received considerably more ‘Marshall Plan’ aid than Germany.

 

US policy wrt to repayment of ‘Lend Lease’ was to strip the UK economy of the funds needed to maintain control over the British Empire. (An example of the fallacy of the ‘special relationship ‘).

 

The attached provides a rather good overview with facts that debunk the myths around the UK and the Marshall Plan.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/modern/marshall_01.shtml

Read the first paragraph and was obvious it was written by someone who hates his country,get enough of that on here without looking for it,you obviously believe every thing you read on the internet,and i don,t see what " the british empire " has to do with the usa,perhaps they should mind their own buisness and leave the uk to mind ours,bit of advice,next time you post a link try and find an unbiased one,not one with more slant than the leaning tower of pisa.

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

How do you think the UK managed to get so much farmland? 

By decimating our woodlands which led to the extinction of indigenous spieces including the wild boar,however wild bores seem to be alive and well if you read this forum.

6 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Read the first paragraph and was obvious it was written by someone who hates his country,get enough of that on here without looking for it,you obviously believe every thing you read on the internet,and i don,t see what " the british empire " has to do with the usa,perhaps they should mind their own buisness and leave the uk to mind ours,bit of advice,next time you post a link try and find an unbiased one,not one with more slant than the leaning tower of pisa.

Once again we have the nonsense ‘British hating’ accusation.

 

The article provides links to sources for it’s factual historical references.

 

The United States was very interested in the British Empire, it was s prime objective of the lend lease program to drive the UK into debt and force the break up of the empire, thereby removing a competitor to US trade and influence.

 

Anyhow, you’ve been corrected on your lack of knowledge that the UK received ‘Marshall Plan’ aid and received considerably more than Germany.

 

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

by someone who hates his country,

 

I am afraid :

" You hate your country "  " You're a traitor"

will be more and more used, even by the slightest critic on the functioning of the government in place.

"Hate" and " Traitor" will therefore loose their initial meaning.

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Once again we have the nonsense ‘British hating’ accusation.

 

The article provides links to sources for it’s factual historical references.

 

The United States was very interested in the British Empire, it was s prime objective of the lend lease program to drive the UK into debt and force the break up of the empire, thereby removing a competitor to US trade and influence.

 

Anyhow, you’ve been corrected on your lack of knowledge that the UK received ‘Marshall Plan’ aid and received considerably more than Germany.

 

Perhaps we did receive more grants under the marshall plan than germany,however this was offset by the debt of the lend lease scheme,bit like the eu we made large financial contributions and recieved a pittance back and were told how to spend it .america has a proud history of making itself busy in other countries affairs,perhaps before you quote another link why not visit the war museum in saigon,and s21 and the killing fields in phomn penh.

Edited December 26, 20205 yr by kingdong

10 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

I am afraid :

" You hate your country "  " You're a traitor"

will be more and more used, even by the slightest critic on the functioning of the government in place.

"Hate" and " Traitor" will therefore loose their initial meaning.

Your spell checker isn,t making it.

Some good news for all those who just try their best to put the UK down.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/britain-is-fifth-largest-economy-in-world-again-after-leapfrogging-india-wccxxxcqr

4 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Your spell checker isn,t making it.

Please feel free to correct me, 

the only way to not make the same mistake again.

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

Oh no it isn,t.

I spat my coffee at that.

 

Merry Christmas.

 

On 12/25/2020 at 6:26 AM, Laughing Gravy said:

I see you are now replying to my posts. Still didn't get an apology.

 

Anyway the UK has left the EU. It seems there has been a compromise.

 

So you and the other EU lovers will be happy.

 

I feel there are difficult times ahead for the EU.

The EU must be Shi**** themselves.They must now formulate a plan to make UK fail.If they dont the EU will tear apart like a soggy pizza.and all those who have plundered the taxpayers money ,the diplomats,MEPs,farmers,wine growers,and all their associates will have to work for a living.

2 minutes ago, bonzerpom said:

The EU must be Shi**** themselves.They must now formulate a plan to make UK fail.If they dont the EU will tear apart like a soggy pizza.and all those who have plundered the taxpayers money ,the diplomats,MEPs,farmers,wine growers,and all their associates will have to work for a living.

many a true word spoken in jest.

23 hours ago, Surelynot said:

They already do..so no change?

Other than another U turn. The government has claimed for many years there would be no new reciprocal agreements regarding state pensions.

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

The EU presidents as I clearly mentioned. When did you get to vote directly those people... You never like any of us.

Exactly. The more layers they put between the people that are directly elected via the ballot box and the people that actually make the decisions, the less democratic it is.

 

Of course,  they know that and that is how it is designed. 

 

Expect more layers in future as the federalist centralized project gathers pace. If you're lucky you might be able to vote for an MEP whose role it is to vote on which committee selects a board to select the members of a research group who choose the house which selects 12 people who decide whether a French woman or German woman is the president this time. Something like that. True democracy EU style.????

 

Thank god we're out. Seriously. Hallelujah. History will show Brexiteers as visionaries.

1 minute ago, bonzerpom said:

The EU must be Shi**** themselves.

Well I do believe that there federalisatioin of Europe's plan and one of their biggest contributors to their fund is leaving, gives them food for thought.

 

2 minutes ago, bonzerpom said:

They must now formulate a plan to make UK fail

They have been trying that for the last 4.5 years with the negotiations. it won't happen and as the UK can trade with other countries and are free from the EU, that will be very difficult.

3 minutes ago, bonzerpom said:

If they dont the EU will tear apart like a soggy pizza.and all those who have plundered the taxpayers money ,the diplomats,MEPs,farmers,wine growers,and all their associates will have to work for a living.

I believe the EU are on a path for destruction anyway with their mandate. Don't be surprised in seeing Italy, Hungary, Poland and a few others who want out.

1 minute ago, bonzerpom said:

They must now formulate a plan to make UK fail.If they dont the EU will tear apart like a soggy pizza.

 

You mean you will perfectly understand that the E.U. may be obliged to use this stratagem, to be able to survive.

I am personally convinced they wouldn't have to.

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I believe the EU are on a path for destruction anyway with their mandate. Don't be surprised in seeing Italy, Hungary, Poland and a few others who want out.

Maybe, I don't.

But of course we are both speculate.

5 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Maybe, I don't.

But of course we are both speculate.

I know you like to get the last word in all the time but that is why I said I believe. Of course it is speculation and self explanatory.

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Yes they are free from the many constraints of the EU. In case you hadn't noticed the UK officially left the EU and was in a transistion stage and they finally leave by 1st Jan 2021. As it is written and you have stated this yourself the UK have the right over wasters. previously they never did. Von dxer Leyen, trying to polish a curd.

 

I guess you must be one of those posters who dream of enslaving the UK for ever. Pity it didn't work. The UK can now trade with who ever it wants, previously this was not allowed.

They failed 80 years ago with military force and they have failed again with their psuedo democratic federalist German/French led politically driven takeover.

 

Von Der Leyen and Bariner's eyes told me everything as they announced the deal.

 

I long gave up listening to the words from their mouths but the body language told me everything. 

 

It was like an ending from Scooby Doo when they rip the mask off the bad guy in handcuffs and he grumpily announces that he would have succeeded if it wasnt for those pesky kids, err I mean Brits ????.

 

I did enjoy the fact they quoted Shakespeare though.

 

 

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

They failed 80 years ago with military force and they have failed again with their psuedo democratic federalist German/French led politically driven takeover.

 

Von Der Leyen and Bariner's eyes told me everything as they announced the deal.

 

I long gave up listening to the words from their mouths but the body language told me everything. 

 

It was like an ending from Scooby Doo when they rip the mask off the bad guy in handcuffs and he grumpily announces that he would have succeeded if it wasnt for those pesky kids, err I mean Brits ????.

 

I did enjoy the fact they quoted Shakespeare though.

 

 

Once again, I like the way you interpret a situation.

The UK, and its control of an immense empire, was financially broken by the cost of fighting 2 world wars within 21 years of each other. The fact is that the USA provided assistance on a grand scale to rehabilitate both Germany and Japan, while enforcing stringent repayment terms on the UK. 

21 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

They failed 80 years ago with military force and they have failed again with their psuedo democratic federalist German/French led politically driven takeover.

 

Von Der Leyen and Bariner's eyes told me everything as they announced the deal.

 

I long gave up listening to the words from their mouths but the body language told me everything. 

 

It was like an ending from Scooby Doo when they rip the mask off the bad guy in handcuffs and he grumpily announces that he would have succeeded if it wasnt for those pesky kids, err I mean Brits ????.

 

I did enjoy the fact they quoted Shakespeare though.

 

 

More jingoism.

 

I blame a surfeit of Black and White war moves.

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

You, not we!

 

  Also applies you you , unless you are exempt from the rules , which you cannot be 

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Yes they are free from the many constraints of the EU. In case you hadn't noticed the UK officially left the EU and was in a transistion stage and they finally leave by 1st Jan 2021. As it is written and you have stated this yourself the UK have the right over wasters. previously they never did. Von dxer Leyen, trying to polish a curd.

 

I guess you must be one of those posters who dream of enslaving the UK for ever. Pity it didn't work. The UK can now trade with who ever it wants, previously this was not allowed.

 

For a start i never held the view HMG were enslaved to the EU. As had other EU members, UK could reject / renegotiate T&Cs and dealt with the consequences if they couldn't reach agreement on a particular matter as does any other nation. After all is said, parliament are the decision makers for UK law, I understand there are many laws enacted in the UK to facilitate relations on numerous issues with the EU and are still in place including ongoing requirements to comply with EU standards. Is the UK 'free' of the EU?  - nope.

 

I am unaware HMG could not trade with anyone they wished whilst a member of the EU, can you point to the legislation agreed to by HMG supporting this claim?

15 minutes ago, simple1 said:

I am unaware HMG could not trade with anyone they wished whilst a member of the EU,

You clearly have no idea of how the EU works. You go and do some research. It is Boxing day/St. Stephen's day. I am going out.????

 

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More jingoism.

 

I blame a surfeit of Black and White war moves.

I prefer my posts are refuted by facts rather than poor attempts at quips.

 

Try again.

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Some good news for all those who just try their best to put the UK down.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/britain-is-fifth-largest-economy-in-world-again-after-leapfrogging-india-wccxxxcqr

To which i'll add this...

Home Secretary hails security agreement with EU

Quote

First of its kind agreement ensures UK law enforcement has the tools it needs to help protect the public

 

3 hours ago, andyg75 said:

More BS

Nope.
 

You, like the poster who made this inaccurate claim (and as their later attempts to wriggle out of it admitting their mistake, ultimately proved even they know this) are wrong. 

Edited December 26, 20205 yr by Bluespunk

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

No, we were just part of Europe. That's all that was required. 

Yet again, that is the point I was making...

7 minutes ago, evadgib said:

To which i'll add this...

Home Secretary hails security agreement with EU

 

Well she would say that, wouldn’t she.

 

The devil though is in the detail.

14 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You clearly have no idea of how the EU works. You go and do some research. It is Boxing day/St. Stephen's day. I am going out.????

 

 

I am well aware EU FTAs and other agreements are accessible for all member states, but not that a member state cannot trade outside of EU arrangements. You made the claim UK was not able to trade with other nations without EU agreement, which i do not believe. It's forum etiquette to back up a claim with credible link, if you're unable to do so just say so, rather than playing silly games.