UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[Laughing Gravy]

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

That's my main concern, and I am sure for many man in the street in Europe : how much concretely will it cost us.

 

Well those 'hanger on countries' should start paying their way or most shouldn't have been given membership in the first place. It is the morphing from the EEC to the EU and the federalisation of Europe has been a factor in Brexit.  I am sure those who want membership like Turkey and others will take up the slack.

 

So you want something you pay for it.

[Somtamnication]

God Save The Queen! Screw Macron, et al.

[JonnyF]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You should concern yourself more with the direction the UK goes rather than dreaming up a future for the EU.

I have no concern about the EU any more. We are out, if other European countries wish to hand more power and money to the EU every year that is their problem, not mine. 

 

I have no doubt that the UK will prosper. We were never comfortable being a bit part player in a German Franco led alliance and I believe our new found freedom will allow us to become an outward looking country that deals with the whole world, not hamstrung by increasingly stringent EU laws.

 

Now, the UK electorate can have real Democracy back. We can vote for the people who make our laws. If we don't like them, we can once again remove those individuals via the ballot box. No longer are there multiple layers between the electorate and the lawmakers, layers designed to give the appearance of Democracy when the reality is anything but.

 

I am delighted that we won in 2016 and I am 90% satisfied with this deal. I am also happy that Democracy won despite all of the Remainer's attempts to subvert it via dubious legislation, legal cases, calls for People's Votes etc.

 

I would like to offer my commiserations to the losers though. It must be tough for Remainers, but that's how Democracy works. You gave it your best shot. You often played dirty. But you lost. C'est la vie mon ami.

 

[vinny41]

11 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Why not?

 

Anyway even if the Scots are given a say in their future and even if they vote "yes", Scottish independence is still very far away and a complicated question.

And if Northern Ireland ever rejoins with the Irish Republic you will need Loadsamoney

It is not widely known that it costs the UK more to support Northern Ireland than it does to be in the EU.

In 2016-17, according to HM Treasury figures, total expenditure by the Government on Northern Ireland was £20.6 billion. HMRC reports that tax receipts from Northern Ireland in the same year came to £11.7 billion, a net payment of £8.8 billion

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/10/northern-ireland-burden-rest-uk-cant-let-get-way-brexit/

[luckyluke]

13 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well those 'hanger on countries' should start paying their way or most shouldn't have been given membership in the first place...

The man in the street has no say in any of those things,

we undergo.

Every X years we can vote, and it stops there.

After the results of the vote the wining parties ( the case in Belgium ) have free pass.

[Scott]

Post with foreign language removed.

 

[bert bloggs]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And if Northern Ireland ever rejoins with the Irish Republic you will need Loadsamoney

It is not widely known that it costs the UK more to support Northern Ireland than it does to be in the EU.

In 2016-17, according to HM Treasury figures, total expenditure by the Government on Northern Ireland was £20.6 billion. HMRC reports that tax receipts from Northern Ireland in the same year came to £11.7 billion, a net payment of £8.8 billion

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/10/northern-ireland-burden-rest-uk-cant-let-get-way-brexit/

The Irish dont even have to pay water rates,its free, thank you England

[Laughing Gravy]

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

The man in the street has no say in any of those things,

we undergo.

Every X years we can vote, and it stops there.

After the results of the vote the wining parties ( the case in Belgium ) have free pass.

So what you are saying and what many of all know the EU is not a democracy. You can't vote them out. Another great reason that the UK has left the EU.

[FritsSikkink]

4 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You talk about fishing rights. they will  ALL belong to the UK soon.

 

We have had the seas raped and pillaged for forty plus years, a few more years (although it is less ) won't matter.

 

"bickered until the end over fish - a totemic issue, but worth less than 0.1% of GDP. " 

[Laughing Gravy]

1 minute ago, FritsSikkink said:

"bickered until the end over fish - a totemic issue, but worth less than 0.1% of GDP. " 

Well if you think it was just about fish it is pointless discussing anything with you. I guess with your name you are one of the ones who will be paying more. Merry Christmas.

[FritsSikkink]

4 hours ago, Roadman said:

Congrats to all the Pom Brexiters on here. You got the sovereignty of your country back, and the rights of free trade. Well done.  

Not really:" The trade pact will not cover services, which make up 80% of the British economy,"

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

Although we did reach a climax, there are still many deals to be made in the coming months/years, we just mentioned the criminal/terrorist database the UK just lost access to (but not before hacking the entire base, not very gentlemanly)

 

... and we can assess the effective fallout from effective brexit end of January, 6 months, 1 year

 

 

..and in 5 1/2 years when the fishing quotas stabilize at 75%, we can expect some kind on "internal market bill" then.

 

 

 

Brexit is a gift that keeps on giving

25% of EU boats' fishing rights in UK waters will be transferred to the UK fishing fleet, over a period of five-and-a-half years

EU fishing quota in UK waters will be reduced by 15% in the first year and 2.5 percentage points each year after.

After the transition ends, the UK will have the right to withdraw EU boats' access to UK waters.

https://www.bbc.com/news/46401558

[luckyluke]

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

We can vote for the people who make our laws.

In Belgium we always could, before being member of the E.U., and now during.

Well nothing simple in Belgium, we voted for a new government the 26th. May 2019, a government was formed the 01 October 2020.

[FritsSikkink]

3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well if you think it was just about fish it is pointless discussing anything with you. I guess with your name you are one of the ones who will be paying more. Merry Christmas.

I will pay nothing as I live in Thailand (you where the one talking about fish btw)

Edited December 25, 2020 by FritsSikkink

[david555]

Unless i missed it ...but also Sky news "deal analyzer" mentioned it .....nothing about financial services in the deal

 

....so Euro  passporting came home E.U. from the city apparantly ....

Edited December 25, 2020 by david555

[Laughing Gravy]

3 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

I will pay nothing as I live in Thailand (you where the one talking about fish btw)

So this from your post.

"bickered until the end over fish - a totemic issue, but worth less than 0.1% of GDP. "

 

Just another foreigner angry that the UK left the EU from a democratic referendum. Its Christmas just get over it.

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

In Belgium we always could, before being member of the E.U., and now during.

Well nothing simple in Belgium, we voted for a new government the 26th. May 2019, a government was formed the 01 October 2020.

How do you vote for the EU Commission? They are the ones that initiate EU laws.

 

Or is Belgium not subject to EU law?

[overherebc]

It's been agreed that visas will not be needed for UK passport holders to visit the EU, but they will be limited to 90 days in any 180 days or 6 months. 

So is it going to be similar to a few years ago here where the IO has to check all the stamps and add up the days etc or rely on a computer system that will start a green/amber/red flag system on screen. 

Or maybe you will stick your passport in the auto gate and a big flashing sign will light up with

'NO ENTRY, GO BACK HOME'

????????

[Chomper Higgot]

30 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I have no concern about the EU any more. We are out, if other European countries wish to hand more power and money to the EU every year that is their problem, not mine. 

 

I have no doubt that the UK will prosper. We were never comfortable being a bit part player in a German Franco led alliance and I believe our new found freedom will allow us to become an outward looking country that deals with the whole world, not hamstrung by increasingly stringent EU laws.

 

Now, the UK electorate can have real Democracy back. We can vote for the people who make our laws. If we don't like them, we can once again remove those individuals via the ballot box. No longer are there multiple layers between the electorate and the lawmakers, layers designed to give the appearance of Democracy when the reality is anything but.

 

I am delighted that we won in 2016 and I am 90% satisfied with this deal. I am also happy that Democracy won despite all of the Remainer's attempts to subvert it via dubious legislation, legal cases, calls for People's Votes etc.

 

I would like to offer my commiserations to the losers though. It must be tough for Remainers, but that's how Democracy works. You gave it your best shot. You often played dirty. But you lost. C'est la vie mon ami.

 

Let’s see who’s lost what before we offer commiserations.

[FritsSikkink]

10 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So this from your post.

"bickered until the end over fish - a totemic issue, but worth less than 0.1% of GDP. "

 

Just another foreigner angry that the UK left the EU from a democratic referendum. Its Christmas just get over it.

I don't give a hoot, just commenting on your nonsense comment about fish that it is so important that you got it all now.

Edited December 25, 2020 by FritsSikkink

[luckyluke]

6 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So what you are saying and what many of all know the EU is not a democracy. You can't vote them out. Another great reason that the UK has left the EU.

Yes and no.

We can vote for the members of the European Parliament, we have no influence in their vote afterwards.

We were not asked if we wanted Mrs. von der Leyen, the members of the European Parliament voted yes or no for her. ( She won with a crape majority, by the way ).       

In Belgium we vote every 4 years for a government, once established, it can do what it want.

Only after 4 years we can express our opinion again.

 

I don't know in details how it works in the U.K., but pretty sure it must be something similar. 

 

[Laughing Gravy]

4 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

I don't give a hoot, just commenting on your nonsense comment about fish that it is so important that you got it all now.

I can see you don't give a hoot. So happy for you.

[vinny41]

11 minutes ago, overherebc said:

It's been agreed that visas will not be needed for UK passport holders to visit the EU, but they will be limited to 90 days in any 180 days or 6 months. 

So is it going to be similar to a few years ago here where the IO has to check all the stamps and add up the days etc or rely on a computer system that will start a green/amber/red flag system on screen. 

Or maybe you will stick your passport in the auto gate and a big flashing sign will light up with

'NO ENTRY, GO BACK HOME'

????????

We you arrive you will go through passport control where they log the date of your arrival, and when you leave they will log the date of your departure.

For anyone that forgets how many days they have been they just simply refer to their  travel dates and use a 90/180 calcuator

 

Schengen Calculator

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/visa-calculator/

[Surelynot]

Wife under the ambulance.....DUP under the bus.....fishermen under the trawler....the man knows no shame.....

 

But fishermen voiced “frustration and anger” as the prime minister settled for a cut of just 25 per cent in the EU’s share of the catch in UKwaters, phased in over five and a half years – compared to the 80 per cent over three years initially demanded by the UK – and failed to secure an immediate 12-mile exclusion zone to protect inshore waters.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit/brexit-deal-boris-johnson-eu-agreement-b1776088.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit/brexit-deal-boris-johnson-eu-agreement-b1776088.html

Edited December 25, 2020 by Surelynot

[oompie69]

How very convenient. The day before Christmas. Now all can go any enjoy their holidays.

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, overherebc said:

It's been agreed that visas will not be needed for UK passport holders to visit the EU, but they will be limited to 90 days in any 180 days or 6 months. 

So is it going to be similar to a few years ago here where the IO has to check all the stamps and add up the days etc or rely on a computer system that will start a green/amber/red flag system on screen. 

Or maybe you will stick your passport in the auto gate and a big flashing sign will light up with

'NO ENTRY, GO BACK HOME'

????????

Should be easy via a check at the automatic gate. Scan the passport, it will check the number of days spent in EU countries in the last 180 days and open the gate. Probably about 25 lines of code that any junior programmer could write and test in a couple of hours.

 

Much ado about nothing. The last thing European tourism needs is to stop UK tourists visiting. Especially with the Covid debacle.

[Laughing Gravy]

4 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

We were not asked if we wanted Mrs. von der Leyen, the members of the European Parliament voted yes or no for her. ( She won with a crape majority, by the way )

That is the whole point. Her and the other 4 unelected presidents and the way the EU claim to be a democracy is shameful.  Your country is in the EU and you have said you like it for the many reasons you have given. So own it. But trying to justify it as a democracy is simply not true.

 

The UK is out so all the countries involved are responsible for it.

 

7 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

I don't know in details how it works in the U.K., but pretty sure it must be something similar. 

Yes its similar up to 5 years but the same in the UK the people could not vote for any of these presidents that are unelected and seem to be jobs for the boys or girls.

 

[JonnyF]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s see who’s lost what before we offer commiserations.

Well you lost in 2016.

 

Lost the GE in 2019 to a party whose main policy was "Get Brexit Done".

 

By any interpretation this deal is a hard Brexit.

 

So it's pretty safe to say Remainers lost.

[overherebc]

12 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

We you arrive you will go through passport control where they log the date of your arrival, and when you leave they will log the date of your departure.

For anyone that forgets how many days they have been they just simply refer to their  travel dates and use a 90/180 calcuator

 

Schengen Calculator

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/visa-calculator/

I like the 'Disclaimer' at the end. ????????????

So you still might get the big flashy thing telling you to go home and try later.

????????

Edit.

Maybe they could introduce a new system.

Let's try something never done before. They could call it an EU28  or an EU30.

Edited December 25, 2020 by overherebc

[luckyluke]

12 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

How do you vote for the EU Commission? They are the ones that initiate EU laws.

 

Or is Belgium not subject to EU law?

That's where most of us have a problem with this E.U. thing.

We experience in our daily life the laws and regulations voted by our government, for us Belgians.

We haven't a really view on those E.U. laws.

Never there is an announcement like :

"due to the E.U., every Belgian citizen will now have to pay 1% more taxes"

or

" thanks to the E.U., every Belgian citizen will now receive 1% rebate on his taxes"