UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[7by7]

Just now, IvorBiggun2 said:

I never quoted Blair as saying 'Boris done good'. Duh

 

You did say

20 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Even he (Blair) can see that Boris done good.

So how did you reach that strange conclusion from what he does say in the article.?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Where does Blair say it was 'a bad deal'?

I didn’t claim ‘Blair said it was a bad deal’.

 

Duh.

[IvorBiggun2]

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

You did say

So how did you reach that strange conclusion from what he does say in the article.?

Are you for real?

[7by7]

3 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Where does Blair say it was 'a bad deal'?

 

Blair didn't; @Chomper Higgot did!

 

What Blair did say in the article is 

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“I would have backed the leader on it. Look, there was a case for abstaining and there was a case for … voting for it because the alternative’s no deal.”

He added: “I don’t think it particularly matters to the Labour party either way. I think what does matter is that we’re still in a position where we’re pointing out what the problems with this deal are.”

 The more you post about this article; the more it seems that you've only read the headline!

[IvorBiggun2]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 

 

 The more you post about this article; the more it seems that you've only read the headline!

 You are funny.

[7by7]

Just now, IvorBiggun2 said:

Are you for real?

 Yes.

 

You said 

27 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Even he (Blair) can see that Boris done good.

 

Nothing Blair says in the article remotely supports that conclusion; so how did you reach it?

 

[Chelseafan]

3 hours ago, candide said:

It was an emergency authorisation.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/medicines-and-healthcare-products-regulatory-agency

 

What the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency does

 

The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency regulates medicines, medical devices and blood components for transfusion in the UK.

MHRA is an executive agency, sponsored by the Department of Health and Social Care.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

What is causing me much amusement is the fact that Brexiteers are celebrating Boris' WA and now this trade deal as tremendous victories.

 

Yet both are, in all important details, virtually identical to May's!

 

Remember them? The ones you lot decried as BRINO!

 

The WA is rubbish but May never got as far as a trade agreement. More porkies. 

Edited January 4, 2021 by nauseus

[candide]

48 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/medicines-and-healthcare-products-regulatory-agency

 

What the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency does

 

The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency regulates medicines, medical devices and blood components for transfusion in the UK.

MHRA is an executive agency, sponsored by the Department of Health and Social Care.

That's what is written on the EMA website page I linked. If you disagree, feel free to write to them.

"While the majority of new, innovative medicines are evaluated by EMA and authorised by the European Commission in order to be marketed in the EU, most generic medicines and medicines available without a prescription are assessed and authorised at national level in the EU.

In addition, many older medicines available today were authorised at national level because they were marketed before EMA was created."

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/about-us/what-we-do/authorisation-medicines

[Loiner]

14 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

The WA is rubbish but May never got as far as a trade agreement. More porkies. 

Of course it was rubbish, and they are two different things. TVF Remainers know that but are happy to conveniently forget it for the sake of their constant moaning. The EU would not even begin to discuss the trade deal until an agreement was signed. Boris got the agreement sorted in about six weeks and a trade deal done within 11 months. 

As per the EU tactics, which were eventually beaten by Boris, Remainers and Euros would be happy to keep 'negotiating' for ever more. They are already set to keep moaning for ever more.

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 As I said; you, like so many other Brexiteers, didn't know what we'd got 'till it's gone. It seems you still don't; and can't be arsed to find out!

 

So, to enlighten you: 

 

EIEM is the European Internal Energy Market. For the effects of leaving this and other EU energy agreements, such as Euratom, see The impact of Brexit on the energy sector. (I know that was published in September 2020, but I can't find anything since to contradict it; can you?)

 

SIS (to be accurate, SISII) is the Second Generation Schengen Information System. Although we were not full members of the Schengen Acquis, we did have access to this. For more details of this and other important EU crime fighting tools, see the HoL briefing Chapter 3: Data-sharing for law enforcement purposes. 

 

For the effects of losing access to these, see Brexit: Britain will be less secure without access to shared data.

 

All things that have been dealt with, or have limited impact, or will be dealt with in the coming weeks and months. That's probably why you have trouble finding news reports on them - because they are non-events.

 

As I said you're still grasping at straws, desperate to find the disaster you predicted. 

[david555]

  ( OMG. ! ????.... Boris forgot that other nations can also take control on their waters ...... BTW  did he not banned them first out of U.K. waters recently ?.... this  PM is a real  joke ...????????????...)

 

 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1379479/brexit-news-fishing-fisheries-boris-johnson-trade-deal-norway-greenland-faroes-eu-uk

Fishing fury: UK boats stuck in harbor after BAN from Norway, Greenland & Faroe waters
BORIS Johnson is failing to safeguard the livelihoods of UK fishermen currently unable to visit seas off the coast of Norway, Greenland and the Faroe Islands because no deals have yet been struck to allow them to do so, a trade organization has warned.

By CIARAN MCGRATH
PUBLISHED: 15:43, Mon, Jan 4, 2021 | UPDATED: 15:43, Mon, Jan 4, 2021

And Hull-based UK Fisheries Ltd fears it could be put out of business completely unless a solution is found in the next few weeks - ultimately costing the industry up to £100million. Mr Johnson unveiled his post-Brexit trade deal on Christmas Eve, with advocates pointing out the agreement guarantees tariff-free trade for goods, and takes the UK out of the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice (ECJ).

 

However, critics have accused the Prime Minister of caving in when it comes to fishing rights - and UK Fisheries has suggested the problems did not end with access to UK waters either, with distant-waters fishing - referring to boats reliant on catches outside the nation's territorial waters - at risk.

 

In a blog posted on the company's website, by Sir Barney White-Spunner, chairman of the advisory board of UK Fisheries explained: "The EU deal is done, but for English distant-waters fishing the future is anything but certain.

"Our state-of-the-art freezer trawler Kirkella is tied up in Hull. Right now, we’re not supporting jobs upstream or downstream.

Edited January 4, 2021 by david555

[7by7]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

The WA is rubbish but May never got as far as a trade agreement. More porkies. 

 

Thanks to Rees-Mogg, the ERG and others supporting Johnson when he put his personal ambition ahead of the country, May's WA never happened so she could not officially negotiate a trade deal because we had not left. However she had public proposals for both.

 

So; to satisfy the pedants:

 

What is causing me much amusement is the fact that Brexiteers are celebrating Boris' WA and now this trade deal as tremendous victories.

 

Yet both are, in all important details, virtually identical to May's proposals for both!

 

Remember them? The ones you lot decried as BRINO!

 

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

The WA is rubbish 

Not according to Boris when he used the proposed WA as the central plank of his election campaign in December 2019.

 

Not according to Boris when he signed it in January 2020.

 

Not according to Boris when he pushed the Act approving it through Parliament in January 2020.

 

In all those instances, and others, he loudly and frequently proclaimed how wonderful it is.

 

Was he lying?

 

[7by7]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

All things that have been dealt with, or have limited impact, or will be dealt with in the coming weeks and months. That's probably why you have trouble finding news reports on them - because they are non-events.

 

As I said you're still grasping at straws, desperate to find the disaster you predicted. 

 

OK, how have they been, or soon will be, dealt with?

 

Are you really saying that the loss of much cross border cooperation on crime fighting, security, counter terrorism etc. will have limited impact and is a non event?

 

Are you really that desperate to convince yourself that Brexit is a good thing?

 

BTW, I had no trouble finding news reports on any of this, there's plenty; but I preferred more official sources such as the UK Parliament!

 

That you couldn't be arsed to find out what the EIEM and SIS are for yourself is your problem, not mine.

 

I'll be afk for the next few days, so you've plenty of time to try and come up with some sort of sensible reply to my questions.

 

Unless you can't and so bottle it.

[nauseus]

59 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Thanks to Rees-Mogg, the ERG and others supporting Johnson when he put his personal ambition ahead of the country, May's WA never happened so she could not officially negotiate a trade deal because we had not left. However she had public proposals for both.

 

So; to satisfy the pedants:

 

What is causing me much amusement is the fact that Brexiteers are celebrating Boris' WA and now this trade deal as tremendous victories.

 

Yet both are, in all important details, virtually identical to May's proposals for both!

 

Remember them? The ones you lot decried as BRINO!

 

Not according to Boris when he used the proposed WA as the central plank of his election campaign in December 2019.

 

Not according to Boris when he signed it in January 2020.

 

Not according to Boris when he pushed the Act approving it through Parliament in January 2020.

 

In all those instances, and others, he loudly and frequently proclaimed how wonderful it is.

 

Was he lying?

 

 

 

Don't change the tune. We never saw any  proposals. 

Edited January 4, 2021 by nauseus
tunes

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Thanks to Rees-Mogg, the ERG and others supporting Johnson when he put his personal ambition ahead of the country, May's WA never happened so she could not officially negotiate a trade deal because we had not left.

 

Thanks to Reed-Mogg, the ERG and others supporting Johnson, we now have a reasonable deal for the U.K. to begin to work from. Boris’s ambition was to get Brexit done, and that he and his team did.

 

Has it been left to May and her gang of appeasers we would certainly have been surrendered into BRINO. Her WA was the basis for total capitulation and any trade deal given to her by Macon and Merkel would have been gratefully received by her while bending over.   

 

Your Remainer false prognostications of doom are only surpassed by rewriting of history into what didn’t happen. 

[CG1 Blue]

5 hours ago, 7by7 said:

I'll be afk for the next few days, so you've plenty of time to try and come up with some sort of sensible reply to my questions.

'Afk' - I had to look that up. Away From Keyboard. 

Yesterday (page 67) you said you would be 'AFK after today for a week'. And yet here you still are. 

 

Please can you follow through with your threats to be away from your keyboard ???? 

[CG1 Blue]

5 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Are you really saying that the loss of much cross border cooperation on crime fighting, security, counter terrorism etc. will have limited impact and is a non event?

 

Are you really that desperate to convince yourself that Brexit is a good thing?

 

BTW, I had no trouble finding news reports on any of this, there's plenty; but I preferred more official sources such as the UK Parliament!

No, I am saying there will be cooperation on those things. Use a bit of common sense. Neither side would gain from allowing criminal activity increase, and so provisions will be made to prevent that from happening. 

Maybe it's time you stopped looking for problems that don't / won't exist. 

[transam]

8 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

OK, how have they been, or soon will be, dealt with?

 

Are you really saying that the loss of much cross border cooperation on crime fighting, security, counter terrorism etc. will have limited impact and is a non event?

 

Are you really that desperate to convince yourself that Brexit is a good thing?

 

BTW, I had no trouble finding news reports on any of this, there's plenty; but I preferred more official sources such as the UK Parliament!

 

That you couldn't be arsed to find out what the EIEM and SIS are for yourself is your problem, not mine.

 

I'll be afk for the next few days, so you've plenty of time to try and come up with some sort of sensible reply to my questions.

 

Unless you can't and so bottle it.

At what point will you actually back your country. After all, Brexit is done, we now move on. ?

[Hi from France]

23 hours ago, Loiner said:

Thanks to Reed-Mogg, the ERG and others supporting Johnson, we now have a reasonable deal for the U.K. 

Are you so happy with the Scottish fishing quotas given away? With the exclusion of services, the main exports of the UK? 

[Hi from France]

2 hours ago, Hi from France said:

Are you so happy with the Scottish fishing quotas given away? 

 

[tebee]

On 1/4/2021 at 9:41 PM, Loiner said:

Thanks to Reed-Mogg, the ERG and others supporting Johnson, we now have a reasonable deal for the U.K. to begin to work from. Boris’s ambition was to get Brexit done, and that he and his team did.

 

Has it been left to May and her gang of appeasers we would certainly have been surrendered into BRINO. Her WA was the basis for total capitulation and any trade deal given to her by Macon and Merkel would have been gratefully received by her while bending over.   

 

Your Remainer false prognostications of doom are only surpassed by rewriting of history into what didn’t happen. 

 

 

It's a cr*p deal - now people are starting to realize this 

 

Fish merchant who voted Brexit to “take back control of UK waters” says he was “brainwashed”

"The problem, rarely acknowledged by ministers, is that Britons do not much like the fish caught in the UK's rich fishing waters".

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/fish-merchant-who-voted-brexit-to-take-back-control-of-uk-waters-says-he-was-brainwashed/01/12/

[transam]

3 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

 

It's a cr*p deal - now people are starting to realize this 

 

Fish merchant who voted Brexit to “take back control of UK waters” says he was “brainwashed”

"The problem, rarely acknowledged by ministers, is that Britons do not much like the fish caught in the UK's rich fishing waters".

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/fish-merchant-who-voted-brexit-to-take-back-control-of-uk-waters-says-he-was-brainwashed/01/12/

Brexit is done, finished, we move on. Our waters are back under our control in 5 years time. You should stop worrying about us British and picking holes in an agreement that the UK and the EU was praying for..

 

May I suggest you start worrying about the rifts going on inside the EU now we are gone.......

[david555]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Brexit is done, finished, we move on. Our waters are back under our control in 5 years time. You should stop worrying about us British and picking holes in an agreement that the UK and the EU was praying for..

 

May I suggest you start worrying about the rifts going on inside the EU now we are gone.......

May i remark they are not worried about  .... they are just laughing big at your fantastic "Boris made deal" .....????

[tebee]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Brexit is done, finished, we move on. Our waters are back under our control in 5 years time. You should stop worrying about us British and picking holes in an agreement that the UK and the EU was praying for..

 

May I suggest you start worrying about the rifts going on inside the EU now we are gone.......

 

They are not back under control in 5 years - it will just continue as at the end of the 5 years - I know Johnson said otherwise, but he's both an idiot and a liar  , so you'll need to decide if he was being stupid or mendacious.

 

Anyway, what's the point of having all that fish if you have no market to sell it to ?  

 

Do you think the UK will be in any better bargaining position in 5 years ???

[transam]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

May i remark they are not worried about  .... they are just laughing big at your fantastic "Boris made deal" .....????

Your lot are smiling at the deal, as they would have been in serious trouble without it..........????

[transam]

2 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

They are not back under control in 5 years - it will just continue as at the end of the 5 years - I know Johnson said otherwise, but he's both an idiot and a liar  , so you'll need to decide if he was being stupid or mendacious.

 

Anyway, what's the point of having all that fish if you have no market to sell it to ?  

 

Do you think the UK will be in any better bargaining position in 5 years ???

Do you......?

PS. Stop worrying.....????

[tebee]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Your lot are smiling at the deal, as they would have been in serious trouble without it..........????

 Yes the EU did very well out of the deal, the UK not so much ......

[david555]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

Your lot are smiling at the deal, as they would have been in serious trouble without it..........????

The laughing part is about the part of the deal you got ......we are satisfied with what we could obtained ....????  

i am curious about the implications  of the financials who are not in your part of the deal ....????

Edited January 6, 2021 by david555

[transam]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

The laughing part is about the part of the deal you got ......we are satisfied with what we could obtained ....????  

i am curious about the implication  of the financial who are not in your part of the deal ....????

Another foreigner that is worrying about the UK's future, and worrying about money as usual, even if it's not yours......????