UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[transam]

5 minutes ago, tebee said:

 Yes the EU did very well out of the deal, the UK not so much ......

Good for you, now stop worrying yourself about us Brits and have a Happy New Year.....????

[david555]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Another foreigner that is worrying about the UK's future, and worrying about money as usual, even if it's not yours......????

One's losses are the winnings for another  .....

[transam]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

One's losses are the winnings for another  .....

Great, you can relax then, until the time comes when you will be paying more out to your club's poorer members.????

As I said, stop worrying about the UK, I/we are not worried about your EU club.......????

 

[Hi from France]

Another problem with the deal : the music industry

 

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Under the Brexit deal British musicians planning to play in Europe will now have to secure work permits for each individual country on a tour and face further red tape when it comes to transporting equipment and crew.

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when touring with larger classical groups. “When you’re dealing with an orchestra, you’re talking about 70 musicians needing to get a work permit. So it’s a massive issue,” she said.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/06/uk-touring-musicians-hit-by-double-whammy-of-brexit-and-covid

 

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Europe being the most visited region by British orchestras, accounting for three quarters of foreign gigs.

 

[david555]

 (A very misleading tittle ....., as it goes about not enough efforts by U.K. financial City to curb money laundering , nothing to do with punishment .... unless you keep protecting those money launderers ...... including on  the "Caymans islands "...)????...????

 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1380397/Brexit-news-Michel-Barnier-latest-UK-EU-trade-deal-Ursula-von-der-Leyen-City-of-London

Barnier and von der Leyen urged to punish UK unless EU rules followed 'Use the leverage!'
MEPs are pushing for an EU crackdown on the City of London firms unless the Government agrees to toughen up its stance against money laundering and tax avoidance.

By JOE BARNES, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT
PUBLISHED: 11:42, Wed, Jan 6, 2021 | UPDATED: 12:14, Wed, Jan 6, 2021

 

They are calling for Brussels to withhold legal permits allowing UK bankers and fund managers easy access to the single market until the changes are made. Senior members of the European Parliament’s green group have claimed the new UK-EU trade and security deal doesn’t contain stringent enough measures on financial transparency and corporate taxation. In a letter to Brussels boss Ursula von der Leyen and Brexit chief Michel Barnier, the MEPs insist the bloc should be doing more to prevent the UK from undercutting the EU.

 

Co-chair Philippe Lamberts and economic policy spokesman Sven Giegold said the post-Brexit future relationship pact still allows Britain to embrace a “Singapore on Thames” model.

 

They wrote: “We strongly recommend that the leverage we still hold over the United Kingdom in granting access to the single market for financial services or not should be used to the maximum extent in order to gain robust commitments against tax dumping and in favour of financial transparency. ”Mr Barnier attempted to prevent the UK from gaining a competitive advantage over EU firms by slashing regulation through the so-called “level-playing field” in areas such as environmental standards, workers’ rights and state aid.

But the MEPs say the provision does not go far enough in the areas of tax and transparency

[vinny41]

4 hours ago, tebee said:

 

 

It's a cr*p deal - now people are starting to realize this 

 

Fish merchant who voted Brexit to “take back control of UK waters” says he was “brainwashed”

"The problem, rarely acknowledged by ministers, is that Britons do not much like the fish caught in the UK's rich fishing waters".

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/fish-merchant-who-voted-brexit-to-take-back-control-of-uk-waters-says-he-was-brainwashed/01/12/

If you checked the date of the link it is December 1st 2020  What was the Date that the deal announced

[bkkcanuck8]

4 hours ago, tebee said:

 Yes the EU did very well out of the deal, the UK not so much ......

The vast majority of the deal was for the most part agreed to in the political section of the withdrawal agreement.  "The Parties envisage having an ambitious trading relationship on goods on the basis of a Free Trade Agreement, with a view to facilitating the ease of legitimate trade.".   Services were left out because the UK was not interested in a full services free trade (i.e. labour).   

 

This Boris "Withdrawal Agreement" is pretty much the "Theresa May" "Withdrawal Agreement" but with the border moved for customs between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK... (something the DUP said was a non-starter - but likely changed there mind when they were promised it would be ripped up IMHO - they were dupped [though I am not disappointed with this, I think this will eventually result in a reunified Ireland which is a win]).  Basically all the red lines the UK had - were washed away (UK did not actually put their position in writing to the EU until the very end).... and the EU which had laid out their position from the very beginning ... pretty much stuck to the position they had (the EU moved approximately 2% on the fish quotas a territories when everything is added up). [but with more red tape - so EU fishermen will likely get a higher price for their catch as the UK will have more paperwork on both sides of the border and that will come out of the price they can ask for]

 

So glad Boris is such a master negotiator ... ????

Edited January 6, 2021 by bkkcanuck8

[473geo]

The bloody fish, oh my god, there are people out there thinking the trade deal was all about the bloody fish, really, there are no words to describe these people who insist the bloody fish were the be all and end all of the Euro trade negotiation!!!!

 

EU fishing lands some 6 million tonnes a year of which only 700,000 tonnes from UK  waters

 

Grow up, and do a bit more reading and broaden your knowledge, we are fed up of hearing about the bloody fish!!!! 

Edited January 6, 2021 by 473geo

[candide]

3 hours ago, Hi from France said:

Another problem with the deal : the music industry

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/06/uk-touring-musicians-hit-by-double-whammy-of-brexit-and-covid

 

 

The EU is taking back control of its border and will not tolerate being invaded by foreign workers! ????

[bkkcanuck8]

10 minutes ago, candide said:

The EU is taking back control of its border and will not tolerate being invaded by foreign workers! ????

Labour is part of Services - UK does not like labour included in the trade agreement (IMHO shortsighted).

[tebee]

1 hour ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Labour is part of Services - UK does not like labour included in the trade agreement (IMHO shortsighted).

 

But including labour would have meant having freedom of movement  - and certain people don't like that.

 

They don't seem to have realized it included our freedom to work in the EU paperwork free.

[tebee]

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

If you checked the date of the link it is December 1st 2020  What was the Date that the deal announced

 

OK how about this today from the BBCs Martyn Oates on twitter ?

 

 

 

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, tebee said:

 

OK how about this today from the BBCs Martyn Oates on twitter ?

 

 

 

As it stated in your link Ian Perkes isn't a fisherman, he doesn't catch fish , he buys fish and then resells, I am sure if he isn't ready there are other fish merchant's that are. 

[vinny41]

3 hours ago, tebee said:

 

OK how about this today from the BBCs Martyn Oates on twitter ?

 

 

 

It seems this guy had problems with paperwork when the UK was part of the EU

The official record says that all the offences took place between 2000 and 2005 and the original court case found the pair had breached laws designed to prevent over-fishing by not keeping adequate records of who they bought the fish from.

The Appeal Court has sentenced Ian Perkes, 53, of Berryhead Road, and his brother Sean Perkes, 44, to pay huge fine of £330,000 for illegally selling the fish

https://fiskerforum.com/brixham-fisher-merchants-fined-in-ignorance/

It would also appear his brother doesn't know what fish can be caught and sold 

 

Sean Perkes, who works for wholesalers Ian Perkes Import and Export, said: “I have never seen one that size at Brixham or the UK in my 40 years of being involved in fishing.

“I was hoping to buy it for our seafood restaurant shoals which runs alongside our export fish business.”

Catching and selling bluefin tuna is prohibited in the UK so that was not possible but the enormous fish was handed over to scientists from the University of Exeter to be analysed

https://in.news.yahoo.com/huge-2-3-metre-bluefin-tuna-caught-off-devon-coast-fisherman-trawling-sprats-101751243.html

[transam]

10 hours ago, Hi from France said:

Another problem with the deal : the music industry

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/06/uk-touring-musicians-hit-by-double-whammy-of-brexit-and-covid

 

 

What will you come up with tomorrow, will it be....

 

"Since Brexit UK kippers have become smaller, and Bill & Ben the flowerpot men have been brought back from the grave to cheer up UK folk"....................................

[stevenl]

5 hours ago, vinny41 said:

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The official record says that all the offences took place between 2000 and 2005 <snip>

Aren't you the guy that just objected to someone bringing in a n opinion from 2020 for being outdated?

[vinny41]

16 hours ago, tebee said:

 

 

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Fish merchant who voted Brexit to “take back control of UK waters” says he was “brainwashed”

"The problem, rarely acknowledged by ministers, is that Britons do not much like the fish caught in the UK's rich fishing waters".

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/fish-merchant-who-voted-brexit-to-take-back-control-of-uk-waters-says-he-was-brainwashed/01/12/

 

14 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Aren't you the guy that just objected to someone bringing in a n opinion from 2020 for being outdated?

I assume you are referring to this post where the poster posted  "t's a cr*p deal - now people are starting to realize this " and then provided a link which was dated 1st December 2020  and the objection was to stating that is was a <deleted> deal and then linking to an article dated 1st December 2020 when everyone knows there was no deal in place then

 

Edited January 7, 2021 by vinny41

[transam]

9 hours ago, tebee said:

 

But including labour would have meant having freedom of movement  - and certain people don't like that.

 

They don't seem to have realized it included our freedom to work in the EU paperwork free.

Oh dear, is it difficult for you to sort some paperwork out, I wonder what we did before computers and printers.......

[transam]

9 hours ago, tebee said:

 

OK how about this today from the BBCs Martyn Oates on twitter ?

 

 

 

Are you going to quote ever UK individuals initial headaches here every day, I hope not....????

 

Try worrying about your own country's fishing problems without the UK. I would love to hear them, perhaps tomorrow....

[david555]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Aren't you the guy that just objected to someone bringing in a n opinion from 2020 for being outdated?

Brexiteers privilage...???? same as for other things they restrict others to but do themselves ????

 

Edited January 7, 2021 by david555

[tebee]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Aren't you the guy that just objected to someone bringing in a n opinion from 2020 for being outdated?

Nope - wasn't me 

[tebee]

9 hours ago, vinny41 said:

As it stated in your link Ian Perkes isn't a fisherman, he doesn't catch fish , he buys fish and then resells, I am sure if he isn't ready there are other fish merchant's that are. 

 

 

You don't seem to realize how the fishing industry works, most fishermen catch fish, sell it  at their local port.  It's the fish merchants who sell it on to  customers, including those in the EU. So your average fisherman is never going to have the problem of exporting to the EU.

[stevenl]

42 minutes ago, tebee said:

Nope - wasn't me 

If I say 'you' I am normally referring to the person quoted. 

[david555]

Brexit tears already...???? ? Euro passporting was clearly stated from beginning that  it was not meant to be part of the  deal negotiating....!!

 

So nothing "missing" or" betrayal " 

You got your borders and waters back...and in 5.5 years your fish back.????

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1380901/brexit-news-deal-trade-financial-services-city-of-london-france-germany-macron-spt

 

Brexit deal betrayal as 'crucial section' missing from text to benefit Macron and Merkel

BORIS JOHNSON's Brexit trade deal does not include an EU-wide arrangement for financial services because France and Germany wanted to focus on goods, which was to their economic advantage, the former director of Special Projects at Vote Leave has claimed.

By Martina Bet

10:27, Thu, Jan 7, 2021 | UPDATED: 11:20, Thu, Jan 7, 2021

 

Britain formally left the EU’s trade bloc on December 31, marking a new era for the UK-EU relationship. After months of wrangling, new rules for trade were finally agreed on Christmas Eve, just days before the year-end deadline. But in a document spanning over 1,200 pages, there was very little mention of financial services: a sector which accounts for seven percent of the UK’s economy and 10 percent of its tax receipts.

 

The Government will next week begin urgent talks to try and reach an agreement by March on the future of the UK’s access to EU financial markets.

City minister John Glen and senior Treasury civil servant Katharine Braddick will lead the talks for the UK.

According to Lee Rotherham, the former director of Special Projects at Vote Leave, there is a simple explanation why the deal did not include the arrangement for financial service.

Edited January 7, 2021 by david555

[tebee]

BOE Governor Bailey Warns Brexit Will Bring Big Economic Losses

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-06/boe-governor-bailey-warns-brexit-will-bring-big-economic-losses

 

Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey risked reigniting the politically charged debate over Brexit by predicting that the trade deal struck with the European Union could end up costing the U.K. economy the equivalent of more than 80 billion pounds ($109 billion).

 

In his first public comments since Britain completed its withdrawal from the bloc on Dec. 31, Bailey endorsed warnings from the Office for Budget Responsibility, the fiscal watchdog, that gross domestic product will be as much as 4% lower in the long term than it would be had the country remained in the EU.

[tebee]

 

Leave.EU has left ---- The UK ----  and moved to Ireland .

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/pro-brexit-campaign-leave-eu-relocates-to-waterford-1.4452308#.X_bxMV9zJNQ.twitter

[tebee]

 

It ain't a lot of use having all the fish, if you can't sell them.....

 

Cornish fishing boats 'gathering dust' as EU shellfish exports halt

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-55563678

 

Cornish fishermen are concerned about the future of their jobs as shellfish exports to the European Union have stopped since the UK left the EU.

 

Since 1 January only ready to eat shellfish accompanied by an export health certificate (EHC) can be sent to the EU.

 

Scottish Boats Told to Land Fewer Fish Due to Brexit Delays

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-07/scottish-fishermen-told-to-catch-less-fish-due-to-brexit-delays

 

Scottish trawlermen have been told to catch fewer fish after new Brexit red tape caused long delays exporting their catch to the European Union.

 

“We’re now advising the catching sector to ease up,” said Jimmy Buchan, chief executive of the Scottish Seafood Association. Trucks carrying fish are facing four-hour waits to be cleared for onward transport and “we can’t guarantee we’ll get it into the marketplace,” he said.

[vogie]

10 minutes ago, tebee said:

BOE Governor Bailey Warns Brexit Will Bring Big Economic Losses

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-06/boe-governor-bailey-warns-brexit-will-bring-big-economic-losses

 

Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey risked reigniting the politically charged debate over Brexit by predicting that the trade deal struck with the European Union could end up costing the U.K. economy the equivalent of more than 80 billion pounds ($109 billion).

 

In his first public comments since Britain completed its withdrawal from the bloc on Dec. 31, Bailey endorsed warnings from the Office for Budget Responsibility, the fiscal watchdog, that gross domestic product will be as much as 4% lower in the long term than it would be had the country remained in the EU.

He said "could" you have purposely changed it to "will." Naughty naughty tebee.

[tebee]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

He said "could" you have purposely changed it to "will." Naughty naughty tebee.

 

I didn't change anything - I quoted the article as written  

[tebee]

Debenhams closes online business in Ireland as 50 major UK retailers face EU tariffs

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-07/debenhams-closes-online-business-in-ireland-as-50-major-uk-retailers-face-eu-tariffs

 

 

Debenhams has been forced to close its online business in Ireland to avoid the cost of tariffs which are now required under the trade deal agreed between the UK and the EU.

 

Debenhams is not alone, at least 50 major UK retailers, including Marks and Spencer and Tesco, are in the process of going through their products lines, to establish how many of them will be now subject to tariffs from the EU.