Millions of Americans lose jobless benefits as Trump refuses to sign aid bill

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

1. I did no say that China made the disease.  They mismanaged it, hid the evidence (even from the WHO) and the severity of it which led to world wide responses being totally different than to what it would have been if China had not been dishonest.

2. You cannot blame Trump for every country on the planet that has been effected by what the Chinese deliberately hid can you? 

But trump thanked Xi for being open and transparent about it.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Better late than never...

 

In this case, Trump's belated $2000 proposal will end up being "never" -- not just late -- because Republicans in his own party show no sign of being willing to support it. And in reality, Trump certainly knew that when he proposed it.... It was dead on arrival. And he knew it. Now the only question is what's he going to do with the $600 compromise bill.

 

He probably could have gotten the Republicans to support a $2000 bill if he had taken a hard stance on it far earlier in the process. But he was too busy being consumed with spreading false election propoganda and debunked conspiracy theories to pay attention to the needs of the American public.

 

[newnative]

3 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

He doesn't need Mulligans, he's a notorious golf cheat. Big surprise, I know!

And, not just with golf.  Virtually everything. 

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Trump is slowly coming to terms with election loss but is still raising funds - The Boston Globe

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Donald Trump plays golf as Congress scrambles to salvage Covid relief bill | US news | The Guardian

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[billd766]

4 hours ago, Liverpoolfan said:

and to think millions of working class people voted for this clown.

Thank god he is leaving soon.

But just look at the damage he has done by not signing this bill, and then imagine what other damage that he can do to the citizens of the USA in the time he has left.

 

I wonder how many of his "supporters" will be affected by this?

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

He's not holding out for more money for Americans.  He's duping you guys into getting more money for his super pac.  Mitch said it was a no go for the extra money weeks ago.

 

MAGA people aren't very smart.

Just a quick look at the leader would tell you that.

[JulesMad]

It is really unbelievable how evil that man is ???? He deserves the worst of the worst, and I would be overjoyed to help!

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1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The Lincoln Project losers that always show up on CNN and 

So Trump won?

[billd766]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Most of us would call them millions of fellow Americans. But it takes a Trumplike sense of selfishness to consign them to economic disaster for the sake of an extra $1400 per person. Trump has his mini-me in you.

 

 

quote "1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:
I don't care what "millions" of Americans think...I want my 2k!"

 

Well, if I were you and I wanted my $2,000 I would send a Twitter message to Trump demanding it. I am sure that he will listen to you and pay it from his own pocket. ???? 

[thailand49]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Then why didnt he negotiate it. The dems wanted it. He didnt.

Not picking sides but in July knowing another stimulas was needed it was suggested but from my understand Pelosi and the Democrats amount was close to 2 Trillion majority of that money was to bail out States like California and New York for their budget shortfall each year. For California they have a pension shortfall of close to 300 billion that might have been the major reason he didn't agree.

 

Then we know now nothing was going to go through since Pelosi was using the delay to hurt Trump re-election which seem to work. The give away 1200 was basically buying votes the reason she didn't take up voting but now that Trump is out she said we can make a deal.

 

Trump is just throwing fuel on the fire since the new budget has so much pork like giving billions to other countries that hate us since that is the case Trump and many republicans threw in 2000 since Pelosi said 600 was crumbs yet she let in all the Pork by special interest.

 

Like him or not it is just old fashion POLITICS THE SWAMP by both parties. They all have their points but the only one that suffers are the people which is always the case! 

[Tie Dye Samurai]

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

If I was living off the taxpayer's teet I'd probably feel the same.

says the guy crying for his $4000...the hypocrisy is absolutely glorious in its narcissism 

[Pattaya Spotter]

14 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

says the guy crying for his $4000...the hypocrisy is absolutely glorious in its narcissism 

If you don't see the difference between a once or twice off Covid-19 PANDEMIC relief payment and 40 years of sponging off the taxpayers, I can't help you. 

[ChouDoufu]

5 hours ago, stevenl said:

Makes no sense at all: first demand certain things get included, then sent one of your most trusted people out to negotiate. Don't get involved at all anymore, and when everything is said and done complain about the inclusions you specifically requested, complain that the amount received it too little, so block it to make sure people get nothing, not even their regular payments.

 

don't you see?  that's the freakin' plan!!!  it was a setup.  he let his underlings handle the negotiations, and then claim the final bill isn't good enough.

 

the ex-president is positioning himself for a 2024 run.  he's gonna cause as much disruption as possible before the inauguration as possible, he'll be the strangely-tanned face of the "resistance" for the next four years.

 

he and his maga supporters will be twitterering about how only he was concerned for the welfare of "the people"  while congress was looking out for the special interests.  yes, trump was in there fighting for the "little guy" all the time, and he would've maga'd.....if it weren't for those meddlin' congresspersons!

 

 

 

meanwhile..........

 

 

 

 

 

Coronavirus Cases:

19,210,166

Deaths:

338,263

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

25 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

Then we know now nothing was going to go through since Pelosi was using the delay to hurt Trump re-election which seem to work. The give away 1200 was basically buying votes the reason she didn't take up voting but now that Trump is out she said we can make a deal.

 

Not quite. Democrats in the House of Reps TWICE passed bills earlier this year providing $1200 direct payments as part of broader $2-$3 billion coronavirus relief legislation. And those were promptly ignored by Republicans in the Senate, many of whom publicly questioned whether any relief was required at all.

 

 

25 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

 

Trump is just throwing fuel on the fire since the new budget has so much pork like giving billions to other countries that hate us since that is the case Trump and many republicans threw in 2000 since Pelosi said 600 was crumbs yet she let in all the Pork by special interest.

 

Not quite. Most of the so-called pork you're referring to regarding aid for foreign countries was funding that Trump himself proposed in his 2021 federal budget released earlier this year.

 

Also, most of the pork you're referring to also is/was in a SEPARATE budget bill from the coronavirus relief legislation. Both parties eventually ended up agreeing to combine the two bills together as part of a bipartisan compromise that Republicans finally supported to provide the $600 direct payments. You know, the bill finally passed by Congress that Trump blew up last week.

 

[Sujo]

5 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

If you don't see the difference between a once or twice off Covid-19 PANDEMIC relief payment and 40 years of sponging off the taxpayers, I can't help you. 

Ahh socialism, love it.

[Sujo]

35 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

Not picking sides but in July knowing another stimulas was needed it was suggested but from my understand Pelosi and the Democrats amount was close to 2 Trillion majority of that money was to bail out States like California and New York for their budget shortfall each year. For California they have a pension shortfall of close to 300 billion that might have been the major reason he didn't agree.

 

Then we know now nothing was going to go through since Pelosi was using the delay to hurt Trump re-election which seem to work. The give away 1200 was basically buying votes the reason she didn't take up voting but now that Trump is out she said we can make a deal.

 

Trump is just throwing fuel on the fire since the new budget has so much pork like giving billions to other countries that hate us since that is the case Trump and many republicans threw in 2000 since Pelosi said 600 was crumbs yet she let in all the Pork by special interest.

 

Like him or not it is just old fashion POLITICS THE SWAMP by both parties. They all have their points but the only one that suffers are the people which is always the case! 

It was trump who put a stop to any negotiations until after the election.

 

https://www.axios.com/trump-coronavirus-stimulus-negotiations-7d464d0e-924f-46f5-90d2-9e8097c9c8f7.html

[Pattaya Spotter]

4 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Ahh socialism, love it.

Good you came clean.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

 

2. You cannot blame Trump for every country on the planet that has been effected by what the Chinese deliberately hid can you? 

You can blame Trump for leading America into disaster. The facts are Trump refused to wear a mask, fearing it would make him look weak to his base. That set an example to all Americans.

Fauci and Birx warned Trump winter would see an increase in cases. A quack called Atlas sidelined them, it wasn't what Trump wanted to hear. So from October through December, the number of active cases grew from 2.5 million to 7.6 million.

It may be a terrible thing to say, but IMO the US would be far better off if Trump had died after contracting coronavirus. The ultimate irony is he was saved by the same science he has rejected so vigorously.

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47 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

Not picking sides but in July knowing another stimulas was needed it was suggested but from my understand Pelosi and the Democrats amount was close to 2 Trillion majority of that money was to bail out States like California and New York for their budget shortfall each year. For California they have a pension shortfall of close to 300 billion that might have been the major reason he didn't agree.

 

 

And what exactly is your understanding based on? Political bias? Certainly not the facts:

"To find a deal, Republicans and Democrats would have to quickly resolve several issues that have seemed intractable throughout months of fruitless talks. Pelosi has insisted on at least $436 billion in relief for cash-crunched state and local governments, while Trump has resisted sending them more than the $150 billion they received earlier this year."

Trump raises coronavirus stimulus offer to $1.8 trillion (cnbc.com)

And yes, you are picking sides.

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49 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

 

 

Then we know now nothing was going to go through since Pelosi was using the delay to hurt Trump re-election which seem to work. The give away 1200 was basically buying votes the reason she didn't take up voting but now that Trump is out she said we can make a deal.

 

 

So it was just Nancy Pelosi was it?

Democrats and Republicans dismiss Trump’s coronavirus stimulus offer, dimming hopes for a deal

Democrats and Republicans dismiss Trump's coronavirus stimulus offer (cnbc.com)

Not picking sides? Not much.

[ChouDoufu]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

1. I did no say that China made the disease.  They mismanaged it, hid the evidence (even from the WHO) and the severity of it which led to world wide responses being totally different than to what it would have been if China had not been dishonest.

2. You cannot blame Trump for every country on the planet that has been effected by what the Chinese deliberately hid can you? 

 

oh, please.  let's grant that china mismanaged the virus, deliberately hid it from the WHO............for about a week.  comes a point where you can't blame the chinesers any longer for trumpian malfeasance.

 

our nest of spies in the wuhan(!) consulate had ground-zero live-streaming information on the covid situation, including humint/sigint sourcing, from before the beginning.

 

our faithful leader was given a tippy-top secret briefing where he was warned exactly what would happen if he failed to act.  at this point he alone is responsible for...

 

Coronavirus Cases:

19,210,166

Deaths:

338,263

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55 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

Trump is just throwing fuel on the fire since the new budget has so much pork like giving billions to other countries that hate us since that is the case Trump and many republicans threw in 2000 since Pelosi said 600 was crumbs yet she let in all the Pork by special interest.

"many Republicans threw in 2000" Really?

As for the special interests...

"On the other side of the aisle, one of the president's frequent defenders, retiring GOP Rep. Peter King of New York wrote a lengthy Facebook post explaining that the line items in the bill objected to by the president were "specifically requested by the Trump administration."

"You got that -- every item," King wrote. "That includes aid to Egypt, Pakistan, Burma, Sudan and Central America, and funding for the Smithsonian."

Trump doubles down $2,000 coronavirus check demand | Fox News

I contemplate with bewilderment what it would be like if you actually did pick sides.

[Tug]

It’s just donald punishing the American electorate after all we voted him out so we must be punished if by some miracle the republicans passed the 2,000 aid Donald would just move the goal posts he is what he is a mentally ill vindictive man who is perfectly ready to destroy the country to get his way the republicans need to grow a pair and stop this destructive nonsense 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just now, Tug said:

It’s just donald punishing the American electorate after all we voted him out so we must be punished if by some miracle the republicans passed the 2,000 aid Donald would just move the goal posts he is what he is a mentally ill vindictive man who is perfectly ready to destroy the country to get his way the republicans need to grow a pair and stop this destructive nonsense 

 

There's a lot of media commentary in the past few days suggesting that Trump's disingenuous, after-the-fact $2000 CV relief payments proposal was instead mainly meant to screw/cause grief for Senate Republicans who Trump may think haven't done enough to defend his failed efforts to dispute his election loss.

 

“This is what happens with a president who places more trust in conservative fever swamp Twitter than his own Treasury Secretary. His administration helped negotiate this bill, and he just pulled down the pants of every Republican who voted for it,” said Brendan Buck, a former top aide to onetime House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.).

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/12/22/trump-stimulus-video-bill/

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I'm scanning the news headlines today, several days after Trump's bombshell, and I can't find any news of any appreciable number of Republican congress members (or maybe even ANY) expressing public support for his $2000 payments proposal.

 

"Senator Roy Blunt, a member of the GOP leadership, said there were not enough Republican votes in the Senate to pass the $2,000 payments.

 

“I hope the president looks at this again and reaches that conclusion that the best thing to do is to sign the [$600 payments] bill,” Blunt told reporters."

 

https://fortune.com/2020/12/25/us-covid-relief-stimulus-package-checks-pelosi-trump-republicans/

 

 

And some further explanation from CNET re the bipartisan $600 bill that's already passed Congress and now waiting on Trump:

 

"If the president would veto the bill, Congress would have time to try to override the veto. But if the president would just let the bill sit on his desk without signing it, the bill would simply die when the current congressional term expires on Jan. 3. This would force the new Congress to start the process all over again."

 

https://www.cnet.com/personal-finance/2000-second-stimulus-check-house-to-vote-monday-on-a-bill-before-government-shuts-down/

 

 

[Sujo]

49 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Good you came clean.

Of course. You love it too, otherwise you wouldnt be wanting your check.

All countries have a form of socialism.

[onekoolguy]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I'm scanning the news headlines today, several days after Trump's bombshell, and I can't find any news of any appreciable number of Republican congress members (or maybe even ANY) expressing public support for his $2000 payments proposal.

 

"Senator Roy Blunt, a member of the GOP leadership, said there were not enough Republican votes in the Senate to pass the $2,000 payments.

 

“I hope the president looks at this again and reaches that conclusion that the best thing to do is to sign the bill,” Blunt told reporters."

 

https://fortune.com/2020/12/25/us-covid-relief-stimulus-package-checks-pelosi-trump-republicans/

 

 

And some further explanation from CNET re the bipartisan $600 bill that's already passed Congress and now waiting on Trump:

 

"If the president would veto the bill, Congress would have time to try to override the veto. But if the president would just let the bill sit on his desk without signing it, the bill would simply die when the current congressional term expires on Jan. 3. This would force the new Congress to start the process all over again."

 

The thing is, that the money for these bills does not exist. We here in Thailand are effected directly by the drop in value of the dollar due to inflation.

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9 minutes ago, onekoolguy said:

The thing is, that the money for these bills does not exist. We here in Thailand are effected directly by the drop in value of the dollar due to inflation.

You're confusing exchange rates with inflation.

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