CCSA spokesman clarifies threat of jail for not using MorChana app

[huangnon]

Hub of Silly Laws and Arbitrary Enforcement.

[mikeymike100]

3 hours ago, Curt1591 said:

So, Smartphone- Schmartphone

When will the government give everyone free wifi to use the app? 

AND a free Smartphone!!

[Derek B]

 

14 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

He clarified that the legal penalty only applied to Covid-positive individuals in the 28 “red” provinces who have no records of travel, including on the MorChana app. The penalty – up to two years in jail and/or a maximum fine of Bt40,000 – would be strictly applied in the five locked down provinces of Samut Sakhon, Chon Buri, Rayong, Chanthaburi and Trat, he said.

So if positive you go to jail and not hospital.......or does the Law state after recovery from covid having been isolated for 14 days you then go before the courts for sentencing?

Edited January 8, 2021 by Derek B
greater clarity.

[Derek B]

2 hours ago, moogradod said:

1. Do you need Mor Chana or Thai Chana or both

Good question..........................IDK either.

[mikeymike100]

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

You are more likely to go to jail for criticising the government than not having a phone app. 

You are overreacting. 

The same could be said of your country. Thailand has one of the best records for covid deaths in the world. Because we do what the government says, unlike countries like the USA, who value personal freedom more than their, and others' lives. 

NOT overreacting its a fact. The corrupt Government officials caused this tragedy in the first place by turning a blind eye at the border! The Government admit this! But have they been arrested????Put in prison????

Why bring in other countries this is about Thailand not the UK, USA, Australia or anywhere else.

 

Do you really  believe the numbers given out by the Thai Government??

[LennyW]

2 hours ago, bkkbarnstormer said:

Available in IOS and Google Play store 

But it eats your batteries and data!!

 

[spidermike007]

10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

You are more likely to go to jail for criticising the government than not having a phone app. 

You are overreacting. 

The same could be said of your country. Thailand has one of the best records for covid deaths in the world. Because we do what the government says, unlike countries like the USA, who value personal freedom more than their, and others' lives. 

 

I agree with the personal discipline aspect of this equation. The American people are out of control, and totally lacking any self control, or self restraint, and extremely confused about the definition of civil liberties. 

 

My gym was shut down today. How does shutting a gym down, when people are freely allowed to travel from ground zero (Samut) to anywhere in the nation (until yesterday, apparently) make sense? Why was this province not locked down like a prison on day one? This could have easily been done. This outbreak could easily have been prevented, which makes me ask, is there more here, than meets the eye? Where is the consistency of the policy. Yes, I am over reacting, as should everyone here, to extreme incompetence, and a total lack of science based policy, to super corrupt officials, who likely allowed these infected migrants into the country. 

[huangnon]

14 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

You are more likely to go to jail for criticising the government than not having a phone app. 

You are overreacting. 

The same could be said of your country. Thailand has one of the best records for covid deaths in the world. Because we do what the government says, unlike countries like the USA, who value personal freedom more than their, and others' lives. 

Thailand had one of the best Covid records in the world, before it was ordered to introduce mass testing, using the totally flawed PCR testing kit. The Thai Govt changes it's policy day by day, scapegoats the usual suspects (foreign workers, "wicked" gamblers, alcohol, etc.).

I doubt Thais will get to elect another Government for a very long time. You won't have any other option other than doing what they say.

[NoshowJones]

2 hours ago, Srikcir said:

You have to test covid-positive first before any legal action.

That's you 3000-6000 Bt just for the test. 

Edited January 8, 2021 by possum1931

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

My gym was shut down today. How does shutting a gym down, when people are freely allowed to travel from ground zero (Samut) to anywhere in the nation (until yesterday, apparently) make sense? Why was this province not locked down like a prison on day one? This could have easily been done. This outbreak could easily have been prevented, which makes me ask, is there more here, than meets the eye? Where is the consistency of the policy. Yes, I am over reacting, as should everyone here, to extreme incompetence, and a total lack of science based policy, to super corrupt officials, who likely allowed these infected migrants into the country. 

I agree, my point was really that all countries are the same(corrupt leaders). The whole nonsense started in Wuhan, the people there were not allowed to leave that city for other Chinese cities, yet were allowed to travel to Thailand. What did Thailand do, allow them in. However, they immediately got on top of the situation. There certainly is more than meets the eye. In the UK,  bumbling Boris hasn't a clue what he's doing and IMHO doing a lot worse than Prayud. 

 

 

[KannikaP]

7 minutes ago, LennyW said:

But it eats your batteries and data!!

 

Only uses battery when it is turned on, and does not need much data, if any.

[eggers]

I respected this guy’s opinions & advice , but he’s totally ‘off the rails’w/ this statement ! People should have choice to use App or not & QR Codes are not displayed everywhere! 

[spidermike007]

Now they are threatening us. I would love to do a poll, and ask how many of us and how many Thais, thought the army would use this latest outbreak to their advantage? To flex their feeble muscles, even more? To put down the return of the promised protests? To contain the masses?

 

How about if we turn this around on them. I don't know about you, but I am quite angry right now. They allowed this to happen, after all. This could have been so easily prevented. So, what the ex-pat community, and the Thai people should be asking is:

1. How can you demonstrate to us, that you are up for the task of leadership?
2. What are you doing to prove that you can and will protect us?
3. Instead of contact tracing us, how about we trace you, and make sure you are doing your job? How about you report to us daily, and let us know how you are handling and containing this epidemic that happened on your watch? Stop talking, and start working, and doing your jobs.
4. Why did you not prevent this? How did you allow these corrupt officials to let infected people in? Why is nobody in a position of power being arrested? Why aren't heads rolling?
5. Why are you not making the vaccines more of a priority? Why isn't the army sacrificing some of its huge budget for the people?
6. What are you planning on offering the people in the way of assistance, so they can survive this disaster you helped create?
7. Can you demonstrate to us why you think Anutin, who has no background whatsoever in the filed of health, is up for the task of tackling this emergency?

8. And why are you shutting down so many businesses, yet you allowed ground zero to remain open to people coming and going since this latest outbreak happened, only closing the province down yesterday? Why such bad decisions, and such extreme incompetence? How do you justify that? How do you explain that? Thousands of cases emanated from Samut province. You knew that would happen. 
9. How about a compulsory level of competence and experience, for all future administration appointments to key positions?

10. Why have you been so hard on foreigners, making it so incredibly difficult to fly in, yet so lax on the borders?

11. Why should we allow you to remain in power? What have you done lately to deserve that power? 

 

 

[Derek B]

42 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

This incompetent and draconian administration is so tone deaf, and so hungry for power, they are incapable of making these distinctions. Now, if only the people of this nation would take it upon themselves to threaten the administration with accountability.

 

You guys allowed this outbreak to happen. This could have easily been prevented. Why did you not lock down Samut province, within hours of knowing about this outbreak?

 

How many administration members have been arrested to date, for this astonishing level of malfeasance? What about the corrupt border officials? 

 

They threaten us, they lecture us, they arrest protestors, they issue one proclamation after another, yet they take no accountability for their own actions, or inactions. Enough! Stop the nonsense. Act like men. Do your jobs. Stop the yacking, and start the work.

Placing more senior ranking females in the role of border force guards might be a worthwhile action.............yacking might continue though.

 

[HappyinNE]

Keep this going it is a great source of humor.

[NoshowJones]

59 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

There are many things that you can theorically go to jail for but in reality never do. 

For example, engaging in in prostitution, smoking on certain beaches, not wearing a motorcycle helmet, driving a car with no shirt,, which you can go to jail for. 

You have fallen for the scare tactics, so kudos to the man, it works. 

I'm amazed at how paranoid and scared of authority many foreigners are. 

 

 

 

"You have fallen for the scare tactics, so kudos to the man, it works." the "scared of your own shadow" brigade is getting more members with each passing day just now.  

[internationalism]

2 hours ago, UTH001 said:

And why should the police or army be allowed to threaten people, just wondering?

because they are there to oppress the people, on orders from the ruling class, to keep them obedient and  subjugated. Same, as everywhere in the world, where police and army exists.

They are allowed by the law, created by the ruling class, for their own particular interests.

So you would expect from them to threaten with jailing, not a doctor , a medical professional   

 

 

[NoshowJones]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

There are many things that you can theorically go to jail for but in reality never do. 

For example, engaging in in prostitution, smoking on certain beaches, not wearing a motorcycle helmet, driving a car with no shirt,, which you can go to jail for. 

You have fallen for the scare tactics, so kudos to the man, it works. 

I'm amazed at how paranoid and scared of authority many foreigners are. 

 

 

 

Nice to see one poster who won't be joining the "scared of your own shadow" brigade.

[trevoromgh]

So is the Thai Chana app now destined for the bin then?  Just downloaded and installed the blooming thing after the last CCSA announcement.

[KKr]

14 hours ago, Tarteso said:

Build a rocket to the moon, Lunatics!.

????do you mean like: going home ????????

[Derek B]

25 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

The corrupt Government officials caused this tragedy in the first place by turning a blind eye at the border! The Government admit this! But have they been arrested????Put in prison????

This type of news does not creep out it seems...........the Thai media could do a far better job trying to find out. We only kind of know what happened to Big Joke.

[asiasurfer]

it starts to remind me of a witch-hunt. 

[Neeranam]

4 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

Nice to see one poster who won't be joining the "scared of your own shadow" brigade.

It's unreal, mate. I know many of that brigade; scared of cutting their own grass  without a work permit.

[Neeranam]

Just now, asiasurfer said:

it starts to remind me of a witch-hunt. 

Who are the witches?

[NoshowJones]

20 minutes ago, huangnon said:

Thailand had one of the best Covid records in the world, before it was ordered to introduce mass testing, using the totally flawed PCR testing kit. The Thai Govt changes it's policy day by day, scapegoats the usual suspects (foreign workers, "wicked" gamblers, alcohol, etc.).

I doubt Thais will get to elect another Government for a very long time. You won't have any other option other than doing what they say.

In most cases you can get round laws that you don't agree with. I have lived all my adult life like this, both in the UK and here, and I still don't have a criminal record.

[animalmagic]

I am really unsure of the actual need for the app. 

To the best of my knowledge every mobile phone pings to the local repeater station frequently in order to maintain contact.  This maintenance of signal is shown by the phone at the top when it shows that it is in contact and how strong the signal is; it also shows the service providing the signal.  All of this data is available to law enforcement, subject to local legislative requirements, when investigating crimes and they need to build a picture of the suspect's movement and activity. 

Furthermore, data from credit cards and charge cards being used will also show the location of the card when it is used.  Every phone that has an internet search function is subject to targeted advertising based on location, search history and social activity.  I'm sure many will have seen the 'google searching for messages', 'youtube looking for incomplete downloads' and similar notifications when regaining a signal or switching on a phone.

Big brother is not watching you, he is in your pocket.

These are some of the main reasons that terrorists do not use mobile phones and stick to cash.

[spidermike007]

21 minutes ago, Derek B said:

Placing more senior ranking females in the role of border force guards might be a worthwhile action.............yacking might continue though.

 

 

Anything is worth a try. Just don't do nothing. I trust women in a position of power and authority more than men, who have proven time and time again, they are not worthy, they are subject to corruption, and they are incompetent. In general of course. Especially here. 

 

The status quo stinks. It has to change, sooner or later. Now, the youth has been effectively prevented from further demonstrations, due to the plague they allowed to happen. 

[internationalism]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

How is he racist? 

from the beginning of pandemic he had many racist comments, some of which he was forced to apologise or delete under social media pressure. He has even deleted one of his social media accounts, after claiming, that it was hacked and hijacked. That happen rather from the PM order.

 

the way, he is treating now burmese, keeping positive with negative together, behind barb wire.

Blaming them for bringing the virus.

Not including them into daily ministry reports, as they were inhuman.

Allowing one of his deputies to announce lock down in 5 eastern provinces, which had to be swiftly overturned by the PM.

Now, allowing his spokesman for threatening with jail.

He, and many his subordinates, are not health professionals, they are incompetents.

They got their posts through political deal with the junta. That's why they make so many mistakes which have to be rectified

    

[Neeranam]

5 minutes ago, internationalism said:

from the beginning of pandemic he had many racist comments, some of which he was forced to apologise or delete under social media pressure. He has even deleted one of his social media accounts, after claiming, that it was hacked and hijacked. That happen rather from the PM order.

 

the way, he is treating now burmese, keeping positive with negative together, behind barb wire.

Blaming them for bringing the virus.

Not including them into daily ministry reports, as they were inhuman.

Allowing one of his deputies to announce lock down in 5 eastern provinces, which had to be swiftly overturned by the PM.

Now, allowing his spokesman for threatening with jail.

He, and many his subordinates, are not health professionals, they are incompetents.

They got their posts through political deal with the junta. That's why they make so many mistakes which have to be rectified

    

Taweesin? 

 

I think you mean the Minister if Health, who by the way was misquoted by the English gutter press. He was right, foreigners refusing to wear masks wear a threat to national security. Many Thais agree with strict immigration policy, as do Americans and Brits. The Burmese were to blame, working illegally!

All illegal activities have an option for jail, but never used. I f you think you can go to jail for not having a phone app, well what can I say?

Most politicians around the world get their posts by some kind of Nepotism, Cronyism, or bribe; baby Bush, Hilary, etc. 

 

 

[shortstop]

Would someone please clarify if this app replaces what I use on Line to check in or is more or less the same thing with either being acceptable.