Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account, cites 'incitement of violence' risk

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19 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

that's what they do, and I surely don't like what they preach, yet they have a right to do so.

 

Some of you should go back to history and learn where we are coming from when it comes to free speech censure

Really? So a Satanist can walk into any First Baptist Church and demand to speak because that's her right?

[GrandPapillon]

Just now, placeholder said:

Really? So a Satanist can walk into any First Baptist Church and demand to speak because that's her right?

they are plenty of crazy preachers in the streets, not in Europe maybe, but in the US, you can find them very easily ????

 

they have their own church, preach in streets and outside malls etc... nobody cares and pay attention, but they have the ability to express themselves, aka "free speech"

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21 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

Trump didn't incense violence, it's you guys interpretation of it. And obviously Twitter, with a lot of public and political pressure.

 

Interesting that our core democracy principles are thrown out of the door by the same people who claim they cherish it

 

if you support Twitter, FB and Instagram censure, then you are not a free speech supporter

Oh. He repeatedly told massive falsehoods about the election, asked his supporters to gather for a "wild" demonstration on the day the Houses of Congress were to ratify the votes of the electoral college etc. Yours is willful ignorance.

 

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Oh. He repeatedly told massive falsehoods about the election, asked his supporters to gather for a "wild" demonstration on the day the Houses of Congress were to ratify the votes of the electoral college etc. Yours is willful ignorance.

 

In fact, I can't imagine many countries where private businesses are free to tell the Head of State that he's not welcome at their venue. That's actually something to be proud of.

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2 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

they are plenty of crazy preachers in the streets, not in Europe maybe, but in the US, you can find them very easily ????

 

they have their own church, preach in streets and outside malls etc... nobody cares and pay attention, but they have the ability to express themselves, aka "free speech"

But they don't have the right to preach in somebody else's church.

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20 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

they force you to agree if you want to use their service. It's actually an interesting question because there are new rules being worked on at the EU level to stop such practices. It has been going for over 20 years, and it's not "technically" legal to force you in such a way. Let's see what the EU will come up with that new regulations against such practice.

 

Fact remains that supporting such actions by Twitter is hardly a demonstration of supporting "free speech"

Actually, speech is a lot less free in Europe than in the USA. As an example, Holocaust Denial is a crime in Germany. And hate speech is a crime in many nations in Europe. So please, stop trying to hoodwink us about so called "new rules."

[GrandPapillon]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Oh. He repeatedly told massive falsehoods about the election, asked his supporters to gather for a "wild" demonstration on the day the Houses of Congress were to ratify the votes of the electoral college etc. Yours is willful ignorance.

 

didn't realize that FB and Twitter was an academic center for truth and facts, because frankly it isn't

it's full of half-truth, lies, and BS, yet 99% get away with it because these are channels to speak and express yourself

 

Trump has just a bigger audience, and my guess is that Twitter didn't like very much what he had to say. It could have been true or not was not even the point, they just wanted him to shutup because they felt they were being associated in his speech exercise.

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Just now, GrandPapillon said:

didn't realize that FB and Twitter was an academic center for truth and facts, because frankly it isn't

it's full of half-truth, lies, and BS, yet 99% get away with it because these are channels to speak and express yourself

 

Trump has just a bigger audience, and my guess is that Twitter didn't like very much what he had to say. It could have been true or not was not even the point, they just wanted him to shutup because they felt they were being associated in his speech exercise.

First of all, lots of people get suspended and banned on Twitter. In fact, if Trump's speech was treated the same way as others' he would have been banned long ago.

[GrandPapillon]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Actually, speech is a lot less free in Europe than in the USA. As an example, Holocaust Denial is a crime in Germany. And hate speech is a crime in many nations in Europe. So please, stop trying to hoodwink us about so called "new rules."

We are talking US here and the US president and a US company,

but yes, limits are far more restrictive in Europe

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2 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

We are talking US here and the US president and a US company,

but yes, limits are far more restrictive in Europe

I got news for you. You're the one who raised the issue re Europe.

[GrandPapillon]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

First of all, lots of people get suspended and banned on Twitter. In fact, if Trump's speech was treated the same way as others' he would have been banned long ago.

people get suspended on FB and Twitter for far worse than Trump was saying, please be real. Didn't see Twitter and FB banned everyone who claimed that the election was a fraud, and that COVID was a hoax. If they did, there wouldn't be much anyone posting anything on Twitter and FB at the end.

 

Again, those 2 can't claim the moral high ground when the job of those 2 apps was to promote all kind of speech, no matter how wrong or fake. Maybe you should read Twitter a little bit more and see what's on there ???? Trump was an amateur ????

[GrandPapillon]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I got news for you. You're the one who raised the issue re Europe.

I raised the issue that Europe was going to change the way we have to agree to EULA, and since most of those corporations are US based, it will probably change the way they operate those EULA. At least in the near future.

 

As it stands for now, in Free Speech America, FB and Twitter are censuring free speech, that's a simple fact. Some think it's justified, like some would justify that Wikileaks was illegal and not free speech, others think it shouldn't be justified.

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2 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

people get suspended on FB and Twitter for far worse than Trump was saying, please be real. Didn't see Twitter and FB banned everyone who claimed that the election was a fraud, and that COVID was a hoax. If they did, there wouldn't be much anyone posting anything on Twitter and FB at the end.

 

Again, those 2 can't claim the moral high ground when the job of those 2 apps was to promote all kind of speech, no matter how wrong or fake. Maybe you should read Twitter a little bit more and see what's on there ???? Trump was an amateur ????

I guess either I take your word for their criteria or I don't. And I don't.

As for what kind of speech these apps aim to promote, I guess that's in the service agreement. Does it tally with what you claim it to be? I don't think so.

[GrandPapillon]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But they don't have the right to preach in somebody else's church.

they could sit outside someone else church and preach when people get out, seen it happened before. They don't get arrested, they keep their rants, and nobody cares.

[GrandPapillon]

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I guess either I take your word for their criteria or I don't. And I don't.

As for what kind of speech these apps aim to promote, I guess that's in the service agreement. Does it tally with what you claim it to be? I don't think so.

you obviously aren't very familiar with FB or Twitter, I suggest you go out there and read it, and you will see that Trump was barely an amateur when it comes to fake news and lies

 

Those platforms are very busy because they attract a lot of people who want to vent their frustrations, and express their "free speech"

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6 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

I raised the issue that Europe was going to change the way we have to agree to EULA, and since most of those corporations are US based, it will probably change the way they operate those EULA. At least in the near future.

 

As it stands for now, in Free Speech America, FB and Twitter are censuring free speech, that's a simple fact. Some think it's justified, like some would justify that Wikileaks was illegal and not free speech, others think it shouldn't be justified.

If anything, I imagine the Europeans would make speech more restrictive, not less.

Yes, they are censuring free speech on their service. Just as a Baptist church can forbid a Satanist to address the congregation.

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[Opl]

5 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

they could sit outside someone else church and preach when people get out, seen it happened before. They don't get arrested, they keep their rants, and nobody cares.

that's how ISIS and alikes recruit and radicalize jihadists all over the world  - and according to you, let them do for the sake of "free speech"    

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1 minute ago, GrandPapillon said:

you obviously aren't very familiar with FB or Twitter, I suggest you go out there and read it, and you will see that Trump was barely an amateur when it comes to fake news and lies

 

Those platforms are very busy because they attract a lot of people who want to vent their frustrations, and express their "free speech"

And now that they can't it looks like lots of them are leaving. Which is their right and will hurt the bottom line of these companies.

[GrandPapillon]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If anything, I imagine the Europeans would make speech more restrictive, not less.

Yes, they are censuring free speech on their service. Just like a Baptist church can forbid a Satanist to address the congregation.

possibly, and I think the EU wants to restrict "fake news" and conspiracy theories. Could explain why those 2 apps are starting to pre-empt such actions to demonstrate that they are taking actions seriously against "fake news" and "lies", hence making the needs for further EU regulations not necessary. The problem is they will force those discussions to go underground, and don't think there will be anybody left to post political opinions on FB or Twitter.

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[GrandPapillon]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And now that they can't it looks like lots of them are leaving. Which is their right and will hurt the bottom line of these companies.

absolutely, and I think Twitter will eventually pay the price for this. We could see a few millions accounts being banned or self deleted. What's the point to build a platform that promised free speech when it launched, only to see it restrict it to please investors and a certain crowd of people.

[GrandPapillon]

12 minutes ago, Opl said:

that's how ISIS and alikes recruit and radicalize jihadists all over the world  - and according to you, let them do for the sake of "free speech"    

that's also true, FB was ISIS main recruiting tool, but guess what, shutting down their account didn't stop ISIS, bombing them did.

 

it's actually better to "watch" what they are saying publicly and vent their propaganda, than let them go underground and strike when nobody is watching or paying attention because they think everything is "clean" on the surface.

[welovesundaysatspace]

On 1/9/2021 at 11:31 PM, GrandPapillon said:

that's also true, FB was ISIS main recruiting tool, but guess what, shutting down their account didn't stop ISIS, bombing them did.

 

it's actually better to "watch" what they are saying publicly and vent their propaganda, than let them go underground and strike when nobody is watching or paying attention because they think everything is "clean" on the surface.

How about child porn? I guess we need to watch that too in order to know what they’re up to, and shutting it down doesn’t stop them anyway, right? 
 

What a load of nonsense. There is zero benefit letting these people spread their disgusting [deleted]; it’s harmful and needs to be deleted. As simple as that. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

On 1/9/2021 at 10:38 PM, GrandPapillon said:

they force you to agree if you want to use their service.

Yeah, same as the bank forced me to agree to 3% interest rate if I wanted to get a loan.
 

 

 

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[Seth1a2a]

49 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

they force you to agree

What force ? How do they do this? Torture ,? Fingernails on a chalkboard?  Women with large breasts ? Your choice is either yes or no.  You  calculate the value of your decision not them. The price tag is your consent . We're not talking about daily essentials or necessities that would amount to price gauging. If you can't live without social media then you need to reassess your values and not theirs (in my humble opinion).

[shdmn]

26 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

absolutely, and I think Twitter will eventually pay the price for this. We could see a few millions accounts being banned or self deleted. What's the point to build a platform that promised free speech when it launched, only to see it restrict it to please investors and a certain crowd of people.

Think of twitter as a christian bakery and trump as a gay wedding cake.  Something the right fought for the right to refuse service for and the supreme court agreed with.  Maybe that puts it in terms you can understand.

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[Opl]

28 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

absolutely, and I think Twitter will eventually pay the price for this. We could see a few millions accounts being banned or self deleted. What's the point to build a platform that promised free speech when it launched, only to see it restrict it to please investors and a certain crowd of people.

 

"Twitter permanently banned former national security adviser Michael Flynn and Donald Trump’s attorney ally Sidney Powell in a purge Friday of high-profile users peddling baseless, dangerous QAnon conspiracy theories."Accounts touting QAnon conspiracies have been “suspended in line with our policy on Coordinated Harmful Activity,” a Twitter spokesperson told NBC News."

In another crackdown Friday, YouTube shuttered the “War Room” podcast and an associated channel of onetime White House strategist Steve Bannon for “repeatedly violating our Community Guidelines,

Twitter Bans Michael Flynn, Sidney Powell In Dramatic QAnon Rout | HuffPost

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

if channels and private organizations are censuring your free speech ability, what's left of it? just an empty promise

Free speech existed long before Twitter and Facebook, so what you’re writing is such huge nonsense that everyone can easily see through it. 
 

You’re like that raging teenager that gets banned on an Internet forum because he wouldn’t stop flaming and violating the netiquette and then keeps spamming the mods inboxes about how they’re censoring him. Grow up and play by the rules, or find another playground.  
 

 

 

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[Opl]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

didn't realize that FB and Twitter was an academic center for truth and facts, because frankly it isn't

it's full of half-truth, lies, and BS, yet 99% get away with it because these are channels to speak and express yourself

 

Trump has just a bigger audience, and my guess is that Twitter didn't like very much what he had to say. It could have been true or not was not even the point, they just wanted him to shutup because they felt they were being associated in his speech exercise.

 

"Long before last week’s Trump-inspired violence at the U.S. Capitol, the account’s most outspoken critics, both serious and less so, argued that @realDonaldTrump’s combination of a massive platform and brazen disregard for the truth was a menace to civic health — fueling a pipeline of disinformation that’s resulted in violent and bizarre crimes across the nation. Although its owner claimed ignorance, @realDonaldTrump repeatedly retweeted posts from overt white-nationalist groups and accounts, spreading their message to a far, far wider audience than it otherwise would have reached."

How @realDonaldTrump Changed Politics — and America - POLITICO

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[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Actually, speech is a lot less free in Europe than in the USA. As an example, Holocaust Denial is a crime in Germany. And hate speech is a crime in many nations in Europe.

Neither of that means that speech isn’t free in those countries. If you post child porn on your website you face punishment; if you publicly accuse your neighbor of being a pedophile you’ll face punishment; if you shout “there’s a bomb” in a crowded airport you’ll face punishment. But none of that means that speech isn’t free. Who came up with the stupid idea that freedom of speech means anyone and everyone can just say what he likes without being subject to rules and laws? 
 

 

 

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[FritsSikkink]

3 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

Trump didn't incense violence, it's you guys interpretation of it. And obviously Twitter, with a lot of public and political pressure.

 

Interesting that our core democracy principles are thrown out of the door by the same people who claim they cherish it

 

if you support Twitter, FB and Instagram censure, then you are not a free speech supporter

Delusional at best, rather have a conversation with a lemon more chance of a good answer.