Wrapped in Brexit red tape, a UK freight firm struggles to trade

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3 minutes ago, Nout said:

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I know........????

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

We wake up every day knowing we will not be a state in the U.S. of G...How about you...?   ????

easy to speak like that when somebody is 8,421 miles /13,552 Kilometers away... did it ever crossed your mind or could it be, the ones (people) living in the UK, depending on daily business across the borders,  may have a different optic... for the sake of it,  give it a thought will you, no need for sad/confused emoji... quite sure you are a grown up person and can just give it a thought

[grumpy 4680]

3 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Yes, I have seen at least one newspaper now has been saying that more than 20 years - how the EU is doomed - it will soon fall apart and end... yet it is still here... and the UK is getting smaller (Northern Ireland and Gibraltar and possibly in the future Scotland).  So which union is more fragile?

          No harm in the UK getting smaller, it would save English tax payers millions in handouts, Scotland is a prime example of one nation that would not survive on its own, Sturgeons a fool to think it could. I would be very happy to see England to withdraw all its military bases from Scotland, free school meals ???, and all its MP's.

         Gibralter is up to Gibaltarian"s, which currently has a massive remain UK agenda, but sorry to say, too many EU states are thinking twice about leaving the corrupt block.

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[nauseus]

3 hours ago, 2530Ubon said:

 

Thatcher:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55494101

Churchill:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_fathers_of_the_European_Union

This is common knowledge (well, at least to us educated remainers)

 

 

[stevenl]

3 hours ago, bannork said:

Time will tell. I believe we will rejoin in a few years, realizing the dreadful error we made.

Rejoining would mean accepting the euro. While I would love to have the UK back, accepting the euro is not going to happen.

[grumpy 4680]

3 hours ago, 2530Ubon said:

This is common knowledge (well, at least to us educated remainers)

     Churchill may of wanted a United Europe (made good sense after the 2nd World War) But even you educated remainers could not of fortold of the shambles the EU has led to.

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Just now, grumpy 4680 said:

     Churchill may of wanted a United Europe (made good sense after the 2nd World War) But even you educated remainers could not of fortold of the shambles the EU has led to.

 

He was keen on a united continental Europe, that did not include the UK.

[2530Ubon]

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

 

Get your facts right...

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/margaret-thatcher-the-critical-architect-of-european-integration/

Thatcher’s uncompromising and often provocative rhetoric regarding European integration is probably best remembered through three famous public statements: “I want my money back!”; “We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level”; and “No, no, no!”. The first summed up her negotiating strategy during the five-year struggle with her continental counterparts about Britain’s contributions to the European Community’s budget, a fight from which she was to emerge victorious in 1984. The second was the most trenchant sentence in her Bruges speech of 1988 about the future of the European Community. The third represented her adamant rejection in October 1990 of propositions to increase the powers of the European Parliament and the European Commission.

These bombastic statements demonstrate Thatcher’s readiness to fight to the bone for Britain’s national interest within the European Community, and they rather give the impression that she was an aggressive critic of European integration. But these must not blind us to the fact that there was much more to her European policy. The European integration process underwent a significant re-launch during the mid-1980s, after at least a decade of deadlock. By helping to bring about the Single European Act in February 1986 (the first significant change to the Treaties of Rome of 1957) she was, in fact, a central architect of European integration.

The European Council meeting at Fontainebleau in June 1984 represented a turning point, both for the European Community and for Thatcher’s European policy. The question of a rebate for Britain’s budget contribution was finally settled, and now Thatcher could turn her attention to a project close to her heart: the completion of the Single Market. Transforming the European Community into a great free trade area devoid of internal barriers went hand-in-hand with her domestic policy of liberalization and deregulation. Thatcher was never an enthusiast of a political union, let alone a federation, on the European level; rather, her priorities for the European Community mirrored her priorities at home – economic growth and tight budgetary discipline.

[2530Ubon]

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

He was keen on a united continental Europe, that did not include the UK.

Yes it did:

https://theconversation.com/what-churchill-really-thought-about-britains-place-in-europe-36613

As leader of the opposition in the Commons in 1950, he indicated that both the Liberals and the Conservatives were “prepared to consider, and if convinced to accept, the abrogation of national sovereignty, provided that we are satisfied with the conditions and the safeguards”. It is impossible to imagine a Tory leader saying this today.

 

Conservative eurosceptics may find it hard to accept, but Churchill would never have joined their ranks. Instead, his broadly pro-European stance was adopted by Conservative leaders from Macmillan to Major. Indeed, in his current quandary about how to negotiate the terms of Britain’s membership, David Cameron would do well to return to Churchill’s words for inspiration. As Churchill said in 1957:

We genuinely wish to join a European free trade area – and if our continental friends wish to reach agreement, I am quite sure a way can be found and that reasonable adjustments can be made to meet the essential interests of all.

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24 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

easy to speak like that when somebody is 8,421 miles /13,552 Kilometers away... did it ever crossed your mind or could it be, the ones (people) living in the UK, depending on daily business across the borders,  may have a different optic... for the sake of it,  give it a thought will you, no need for sad/confused emoji... quite sure you are a grown up person and can just give it a thought

So the remainer "you don't live in the UK' ploy rears it's head again....tut, tut...????

 

You do know the UK folk you are talking about voted to leave the EU don't you...?

My family and friends live in the UK, and as far as I know they all voted to leave...

 

I believe in democracy, you and a few others here don't, you dismiss democracy to cuddle up to those across the channel...Hypocrites...

Emijons, they are there to be used, or is that a remainer thing too, that you don't like but remainers use them, tut,tut...?....????

 

[soalbundy]

4 hours ago, Poet said:

No. We have already established that the British do not consider the continual erosion of their autonomy, including limitations on their ability to trade with others, to be a price worth paying for trade access.

It was close, and the establishment were unanimously in favor of continuing the status quo, but it was ultimately a decision for the people.

 

and as we all know  Fred the bus driver knows best

Edited February 2, 2021 by soalbundy

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4 hours ago, vogie said:

Are your slogans suffering any problems getting through customs Chomper? ????????????

I bet he gave up Ham Sandwiches...... ......just in case he is stopped by a stroppy EU bloke/friend....

[Thingamabob]

Very strange article. The author doesn't even know where Felixtowe is located. Anyway, to those faced with extra paper work, just get on with it and stop whining. Time do do a bit of extra work. Won't kill you.

[grumpy 4680]

4 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

If you voted for Brexit, you can't complain. All this was totally foreseeable.

 

     I don't see Brexiteers just complaining, they are simply highlighting the EU corruption methods. Its going to take time. but the UK will eventually have the upper hand, as the EU disintegrates

     I'm sure Britain has more intelligent business men and politicians than intelligent remainder's.

[bannork]

Sounds like you're stuck in 1940.

I quote the great E.J Thribb's remarks the day after the referendum:

 'Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their most foolish hour."

 

[soalbundy]

Just now, grumpy 4680 said:

 

     I don't see Brexiteers just complaining, they are simply highlighting the EU corruption methods. Its going to take time. but the UK will eventually have the upper hand, as the EU disintegrates

     I'm sure Britain has more intelligent business men and politicians than intelligent remainder's.

Your words in gods ear. You shouldn't believe the prophecies of The Daily Express.

[bannork]

Just now, bannork said:

Sounds like you're stuck in 1940.

I quote the great E.J Thribb's remarks the day after the referendum:

 'Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their most foolish hour."

 

Apologies, I was replying to 'poet'.

[vogie]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

I didn't heard ANY  EU business people or EU member complain about the way things are done after Brexit...., the ONLY complainers so far are some (the number keeps growing 555)  Brexiteers

Mon ami, did you not hear Barnier complain about UvL. Nothing for Brexiteers to complain about, we got what we wanted, some might say with nobs on. Whereas the remainers didn't get their nickname by finishing 1st in a 3 legged race.

[KarenBravo]

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

And business has had 4 years since that vote to prepare for the "totally foreseeable"!

 

Yes, and businesses had to wait nearly four years for the government to tell them exactly what paperwork was needed.

[KarenBravo]

24 minutes ago, grumpy 4680 said:

 

     I don't see Brexiteers just complaining, they are simply highlighting the EU corruption methods. Its going to take time. but the UK will eventually have the upper hand, as the EU disintegrates

     I'm sure Britain has more intelligent business men and politicians than intelligent remainder's.

 

Yet, no body can supply a link from a reputable source confirming this.........I wonder why?

[vogie]

1 minute ago, KarenBravo said:

 

Yes, and businesses had to wait nearly four years for the government to tell them exactly what paperwork was needed.

And whose fault was that, who were the ones trying to stifle Brexit by any means they possibly could, who were the MPs that refused to vote for anything...........I'll leave it for you to fill the gaps in.

[KarenBravo]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

And whose fault was that, who were the ones trying to stifle Brexit by any means they possibly could, who were the MPs that refused to vote for anything...........I'll leave it for you to fill the gaps in.

 

The MPs. If they didn't know what paperwork was required from the UK and EU, they could have asked the EU and decided what was needed on the UK side by working with Customs and Excise.

 

P.S. (your signature) They tried a Buy British campaign in the 70's. It was a dismal failure due to quality and prices issues.

The world is more integrated now and British goods contain lots of foreign made parts.

It also sounds kinda desperate.

Edited February 2, 2021 by KarenBravo

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

 

The MPs. If they didn't know what paperwork was required from the UK and EU, they could have asked the EU and decided what was needed on the UK side by working with Customs and Excise.

My point was that this charade of the remainers could have been sorted out 2 years ago without the hindrance of anti democratic MPs, and if some firms are managing their exports, do you think that there might be a problem with the firms themselves, or an even bigger possibility is that the media may be trying to find any negativity they can about the UK. Strangely nothing positive ever gets written, many might begin to think that the media was europhiles and extremely biased, surely not I hear you say.

[robblok]

Project fear ???? should been called project reality check as all the predictions have come true. Yet the Brexiteers still don't want to admit it.

 

But just one extra remark its not just Brit companies that suffer. Lot of my clients stopped trading with the UK too too many extra papers needed. These were companies buying from the UK. 

 

Sad going from a good economic union to this. Just because of nationalism. 

[bannork]

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

Project fear ???? should been called project reality check as all the predictions have come true. Yet the Brexiteers still don't want to admit it.

 

But just one extra remark its not just Brit companies that suffer. Lot of my clients stopped trading with the UK too too many extra papers needed. These were companies buying from the UK. 

 

Sad going from a good economic union to this. Just because of nationalism. 

Utter foolishness. And it"s worth remembering that there is a 3 month grace period for imports to the UK at ports from the EU at present with no checks because UK Customs are not ready. More potential hold- ups when that ends.

On another note- NI custom officials have given up inspecting imported goods after threats from Loyalists.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Mon ami, did you not hear Barnier complain about UvL. Nothing for Brexiteers to complain about, we got what we wanted, some might say with nobs on. Whereas the remainers didn't get their nickname by finishing 1st in a 3 legged race.

 

Considering that there is nothing for Brexiters to complain about, there are an awful lot of them still complaining about the EU.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

My point was that this charade of the remainers could have been sorted out 2 years ago without the hindrance of anti democratic MPs, and if some firms are managing their exports, do you think that there might be a problem with the firms themselves, or an even bigger possibility is that the media may be trying to find any negativity they can about the UK. Strangely nothing positive ever gets written, many might begin to think that the media was europhiles and extremely biased, surely not I hear you say.

 

As you were saying .... always someone else's fault.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

And whose fault was that, who were the ones trying to stifle Brexit by any means they possibly could, who were the MPs that refused to vote for anything...........I'll leave it for you to fill the gaps in.

Yup, always somebody else’s fault.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Considering that there is nothing for Brexiters to complain about, there are an awful lot of them still complaining about the EU.

And why not, we can go from ham sandwiches to dodgy vaccine stuff, things that you remainers are very quiet about. Plus the dodgy vaccine stuff was not the EU leaders fault, it is always somebody else.....????

 

Then we have Macron, Germany's EU no.2, now looks like being taken out by M. Le Pen, oh dear, seems some ripples are emerging on land as well as with fishing.....

But don't worry, all your click thinks the UK will be back bailing the EU out in the future.............

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

My point was that this charade of the remainers could have been sorted out 2 years ago without the hindrance of anti democratic MPs, and if some firms are managing their exports, do you think that there might be a problem with the firms themselves, or an even bigger possibility is that the media may be trying to find any negativity they can about the UK. Strangely nothing positive ever gets written, many might begin to think that the media was europhiles and extremely biased, surely not I hear you say.

But it wasnt worked out. If it was remain it didnt need working out.

Blame is with the brexiteers.

 

Why should eu care.