UK asks EU for Brexit grace period extension to 2023, BBC reports

[vogie]

8 minutes ago, bannork said:

In the referendum only 37% of the electorate voted to leave the EU.

In the last election the Tories got 43.6% of the national vote, the same as Labour and the Liberal Democrats combined.

Due to the first past the post system the Tories won but in terms of actual votes, things were very equal.

The tide will turn as Brexit is seen to be such a bore.

That slogan has got green mould on it, it's that old.

Edited February 12, 2021 by vogie

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Still making me laugh........brightens my day up no end.

You'll be laughing on the other side of your face when the Momentum wing of the Labour party bring back John McDonnel, it's party time.????????????????????????

[7by7]

23 hours ago, vogie said:

Let's look at the evidence, without Boris there propably might not even be a Concervative Party now, he stopped them from going under and the reason the Tories did so well in the GE was because of Boris and the magnificent team he surrounded himself with, the country had faith in him and so the rest is history. He may not be as popular as he should be, but can I suggest that has more to do with the covid crisis he has to contend with at the moment than anything else, no leader could have done any better than Boris, but you can be sure many could have done a lot worse.

For a party that is taken so much stick at the moment they are still way ahead of their nearest rivals Labour, so whats it to be, the Tories are very good or the Labour Party is extremely bad.

I have not dismissed the words from HMG, I have explained to you the reasoning behind their wording and why they may chose to go down that route instead of sabre rattling, governments can say one thing when totally meaning something else, again diplomacy.

 

 

More ignoring the facts in favour of sycophancy!

 

To suggest Boris stopped the Tories from going under is pure fantasy.

 

An increase in the share of the vote of just 1.2% to 43.6% when Labour's share fell by 7.8% is hardly the majority of the country showing we had faith in him.

 

His government has mismanaged the Covid crisis from day one. Not taking it seriously, delaying proper control measures etc., etc.: Covid-19: Chaotic decision making and failure to communicate undermined government response, says report; 10 Ways the Government has failed us over Covid; The biggest mistakes made by Boris Johnson's government during the Covid 19 crisis (the New Statesman one's behind a pay wall, but a Google search will produce many more examples). Even the new quarantine requirement for those arriving from countries on the red list and negative test certificate for all arrivals has been procrastinated about since early January and when finally decided still wont come into force until Monday! Other countries have had these requirements for months; why has Boris delayed so long; just as he did on everything else. The government's blunders have resulted in the UK having one of the highest infection rates and death rates per capita in the world; as of today third behind Belgium and Slovenia (Source) Though as those two are both EU members you'll probably claim that as a success of Brexit!

 

The Tories are far from being "way ahead" of Labour. they were briefly last March, but since they have steadily fallen and in November were 35% to Labour's 40%. They have rallied a bit since and now lead Labour by 4%: 41% to 37%. (Source) Be interesting to see the results as the ill effects of Brexit bite harder and harder.

 

Where there is a detailed report from HMG it usually has far more detail than the, necessarily for space reasons, far shorter reports by the media.

[7by7]

On 2/11/2021 at 12:58 PM, vogie said:

On 2/11/2021 at 12:40 PM, 7by7 said:

 

And rapidly retracted and acknowledged her mistake.

 

When has BoJo ever done that? 

It could have been a very serious mistake and still might be, it should have never in a month of Sundays have happened at all.

 

Like the serious mistakes made by Boris and his government which have resulted in nearly 4 million Coronavirus cases and over 115,000 deaths.

 

When will Boris apologise for those mistakes?

[vogie]

12 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

More ignoring the facts in favour of sycophancy!

 

To suggest Boris stopped the Tories from going under is pure fantasy.

 

An increase in the share of the vote of just 1.2% to 43.6% when Labour's share fell by 7.8% is hardly the majority of the country showing we had faith in him.

 

His government has mismanaged the Covid crisis from day one. Not taking it seriously, delaying proper control measures etc., etc.: Covid-19: Chaotic decision making and failure to communicate undermined government response, says report; 10 Ways the Government has failed us over Covid; The biggest mistakes made by Boris Johnson's government during the Covid 19 crisis (the New Statesman one's behind a pay wall, but a Google search will produce many more examples). Even the new quarantine requirement for those arriving from countries on the red list and negative test certificate for all arrivals has been procrastinated about since early January and when finally decided still wont come into force until Monday! Other countries have had these requirements for months; why has Boris delayed so long; just as he did on everything else. The government's blunders have resulted in the UK having one of the highest infection rates and death rates per capita in the world; as of today third behind Belgium and Slovenia (Source) Though as those two are both EU members you'll probably claim that as a success of Brexit!

 

The Tories are far from being "way ahead" of Labour. they were briefly last March, but since they have steadily fallen and in November were 35% to Labour's 40%. They have rallied a bit since and now lead Labour by 4%: 41% to 37%. (Source) Be interesting to see the results as the ill effects of Brexit bite harder and harder.

 

Where there is a detailed report from HMG it usually has far more detail than the, necessarily for space reasons, far shorter reports by the media.

I cannot be bothered trying to explain anything to you any longer, you have a total mind set and nothing will shift that, if Boris and the Tories were just a quarter as bad as you say, it would be obvious to everyman and his dog that Labour would be streets ahead of them. They are not streets ahead of them they are lingering, and lingering very badly, and you don't need a link to tell you that, just compare the two parties, open your eyes, Labour are lagging, Keir Starmer is so far behind Boris cannot hear him when he shouts "wait for me Boris." Labour are a spent force, and Labour know it, I'm sure you do. 

Losing the argument so what do the liberal left do, start accusing a man who has saved democracy from dying in the UK of murdering over a million of the great mans citizens, that by anyones standards is not very nice. I just hope you can live with yourself after those terrible accusations. 

 

[7by7]

19 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

It is not in he EU's interests to come up with solutions for the Irish border. It is in their interests to use the border issue as an obstacle. 

A solution would have been found ages ago if the EU were not hell bent on making it a problem. 

 

There would be no problem were it not for Boris Johnson.

 

It was he who reintroduced the customs border in the Irish Sea between Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Something May had rejected, saying no British Prime Minister could ever contemplate such a thing! 

 

But, despite promising the 2018 DUP conference that he would not let an economic border be created down the Irish Sea, Boris did just that. Even the Tory, Brexiteer Express found that hard to take: Boris Johnson told DUP 'no Tory PM' could back deal with checks down Irish Sea

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BORIS JOHNSON claimed no British Government could or should sign up to any arrangement which would see regulatory check down the Irish Sea – almost exactly a year before agreeing to a deal with the EU with remarkably similar terms.

 

If Boris with his ERG and other backers had accepted Mays deal, which apart from his sell out of Northern Ireland is essentially identical to his, then this issue would not exist.

 

But his desire to be Prime Minister was more important to him than the future and well being of the UK; especially that of the people of Northern Ireland.

 

Little wonder that many Unionist don't trust him: Boris Johnson a ‘lousy unionist’ who has ‘betrayed’ Northern Ireland

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“I think we’ve been betrayed, there’s no other way to say it,” said Rev Gibson.

“Sadly we trusted Boris Johnson when he said there would be no border down the Irish Sea, that we wouldn’t be any different, that we leave Europe as one United Kingdom.

“Sadly that is not the case. He has made Northern Ireland a place apart, he has given up some sovereignty to Europe, you’ll have Europe making certain laws and enforcing certain things in Northern Ireland and we’ve no representation at the European Parliament, so he’s abandoned us in that way.”

 

 

 

[7by7]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

You'll be laughing on the other side of your face when the Momentum wing of the Labour party bring back John McDonnel, it's party time.????????????????????????

 

Unless you get your Labour party news from the Daily Star or Socialist Worker, you should know that is not going to happen. From the Express: Keir Starmer issued free reign in Labour Party as Momentum membership decimated

[Tofer]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

When will Boris apologise for those mistakes?

 

What mistakes?

 

You're all so clever with hindsight!!

 

It's the easiest thing in the world to criticise, after the event, from the safety of your armchair...

Edited February 12, 2021 by Tofer

[Phulublub]

9 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

What mistakes?

 

You're all so clever with hindsight!!

 

It's the easiest thing in the world to criticise, after the event, from the safety of your armchair...

OK...as Victoria goes into another lockdown due to a covid cluster emanating from quarantined incomers, why has the UK Government decreed far less onerous restrictions for those coming into the UK -  from known hotspots - who will have to undergo a similar quarantine? 

 

Should they not have looked and learned from the Australia experience?

 

PH

[7by7]

28 minutes ago, vogie said:

I cannot be bothered trying to explain anything to you any longer, you have a total mind set and nothing will shift that, if Boris and the Tories were just a quarter as bad as you say, it would be obvious to everyman and his dog that Labour would be streets ahead of them. They are not streets ahead of them they are lingering, and lingering very badly, and you don't need a link to tell you that, just compare the two parties, open your eyes, Labour are lagging, Keir Starmer is so far behind Boris cannot hear him when he shouts "wait for me Boris." Labour are a spent force, and Labour know it, I'm sure you do. 

Losing the argument so what do the liberal left do, start accusing a man who has saved democracy from dying in the UK of murdering over a million of the great mans citizens, that by anyones standards is not very nice. I just hope you can live with yourself after those terrible accusations. 

 

 

That's a very long winded way of saying that you cannot refute my arguments with any facts!

 

Your dig at the end is as expected. Boris wont accept his and his government's blunders over Covid and as one of his major fanboys you can't either.

 

Those of us here in the UK who have friends or relatives with this disease, may even have it ourselves, and know people who have died from it are less forgiving than you tucked away in Thailand with a government who took sensible precautions long before ours did.

 

Thailand and the UK have roughly the same population. From my previous source:-

Thailand: 24,279 confirmed cases; 80 confirmed deaths; 1.15 deaths per million of population.

UK: 3,986,934 confirmed cases, 115,310 deaths; 1,725.31 deaths per million of population.

 

 

 

 

[7by7]

16 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

What mistakes?

 

You're all so clever with hindsight!!

 

It's the easiest thing in the world to criticise, after the event, from the safety of your armchair...

 

The links I provide gave multiple examples.

 

Yes, it is easy to identify mistakes with hindsight. Having identified them, a decent person would apologise. Boris hasn't.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 

That's a very long winded way of saying that you cannot refute my arguments with any facts!

 

Your dig at the end is as expected. Boris wont accept his and his government's blunders over Covid and as one of his major fanboys you can't either.

 

Those of us here in the UK who have friends or relatives with this disease, may even have it ourselves, and know people who have died from it are less forgiving than you tucked away in Thailand with a government who took sensible precautions long before ours did.

 

Thailand and the UK have roughly the same population. From my previous source:-

Thailand: 24,279 confirmed cases; 80 confirmed deaths; 1.15 deaths per million of population.

UK: 3,986,934 confirmed cases, 115,310 deaths; 1,725.31 deaths per million of population.

 

 

 

 

By that post alone, you have turned this into a covid topic, the lengths that left will go to not to lose face. 

[7by7]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

By that post alone, you have turned this into a covid topic, the lengths that left will go to not to lose face. 

 

'Twas not I who first brought Covid into this topic. 

 

If memory serves it was a Boris fanboy who used Boris' handling of Covid as an excuse for his mishandling of Brexit!

[vogie]

Just now, 7by7 said:

 

'Twas not I who first brought Covid into this topic. 

 

If memory serves it was a Boris fanboy who used Boris' handling of Covid as an excuse for his mishandling of Brexit!

You're milking it for all its worth. Can't be bothered going back and checking, these things are not as important to me as they are to you. 

And less of the personal attacks (Boris fan boy), you need to show more self control. 

 

[Scott]

Inflammatory, abusive posts and reply removed.   Continue and face a suspension.  Keep it civil or don't post. 

 

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. 

 

[Loiner]

7 hours ago, bannork said:

In the referendum only 37% of the electorate voted to leave the EU.

In the last election the Tories got 43.6% of the national vote, the same as Labour and the Liberal Democrats combined.

Due to the first past the post system the Tories won...

In the words of another of your Remainers posting in this topic:

 

“Still making me laugh........brightens my day up no end.”

 

[Hi from France]

On 2/11/2021 at 7:33 PM, bkkcanuck8 said:

Now that the UK is out of the EU, there is no reason to facilitate UK continuing to trade EU securities (especially in EU dollars), as the public companies should be regulated under EU regulations... and I suspect trading on another public exchange makes that more complicated.

Indeed 

 

Now the major (as well as a bigger and bigger) share of financial markets are derivatives.

 

They are much less bound by regulations, and (as it seems), some transfer to US or Asian marketplaces 

[Surelynot]

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Like the serious mistakes made by Boris and his government which have resulted in nearly 4 million Coronavirus cases and over 115,000 deaths.

 

When will Boris apologise for those mistakes?

I think I read somewhere it has been scheduled for the 12th of never.

[Surelynot]

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1392669/brexit-news-global-free-trade-deal?utm_source=traffic.outbrain&utm_medium=traffic.outbrain&utm_term=traffic.outbrain&utm_content=traffic.outbrain&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain&jwsource=cl

 

Hands up if you genuinely believe he even has a clue what is in it.

[Hi from France]

22 hours ago, vogie said:

It is not the only solution, another solution would be for Ireland to exit the EU

We talked about that: seeing the disappointment of the Brexiteers when the Irish told them to get lost was fun. 

 

I remember @vinny41found traces of a fringe meeting of Irexiteers. Turned out there was less attendance than at a UFO convention ????

 

 

Now I suppose you aren't ready to source your claim about Irexit being "realistic" ? 

[Tofer]

16 hours ago, 7by7 said:

And rapidly retracted and acknowledged her mistake.

 

When has BoJo ever done that? 

 

Has UvdL apologise for her mistakes - NO! In fact she emphatically refuses to do so, or take any responsibility for them. Whereas Boris has stated in his public addresses that he accepts full responsibility for all decisions related to the Covid issue.

 

Instead she goes off on a rampage, trying to lay blame at others doorsteps.

 

I wonder how many more deaths there will be in Europe as a result of her mismanagement of the vaccine programme in the EU....???

 

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Yes, it is easy to identify mistakes with hindsight. Having identified them, a decent person would apologise. Boris hasn't.

 

But as usual, when you're called out over your petty intransigence, you deftly revise your direction, in a vein attempt to justify your pedantic attitude, in this case denigration of Boris' character and performance, any which way you can find to get your dig in. 

 

I believe it will be a cold day in hell, when you hold up your hands and accept you were wrong or unjustified.

 

In a previous topic, you were quite happy to see the French escorting illegal migrants across the channel, but now it's all Boris' fault.

 

Every last one of the 115,00 deaths is Boris' doing, and you folks living in the UK bear absolutely no responsibility for any of it.... Rich!!

Edited February 13, 2021 by Tofer

[vogie]

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

We talked about that: seeing the disappointment of the Brexiteers when the Irish told them to get lost was fun. 

 

I remember @vinny41found traces of a fringe meeting of Irexiteers. Turned out there was less attendance than at a UFO convention ????

 

 

Now I suppose you aren't ready to source your claim about Irexit being "realistic" ? 

I remember @vinny41found traces of a fringe meeting of Irexiteers. Turned out there was less attendance than at a UFO convention.

Why are you discussing what other members said to me, how many did you count.....49?

[Hi from France]

Very good synthetic article from an American newspaper, the new York Times. 

 

https://nyti.ms/3rFNs26

 

I'm not sure our local Brexiteers can read it 

[candide]

32 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Very good synthetic article from an American newspaper, the new York Times. 

 

https://nyti.ms/3rFNs26

 

I'm not sure our local Brexiteers can read it 

Interesting quote from this article:

"Under European rules, imports of live mussels were permitted from outside the bloc only if harvested in waters deemed of highest quality. The Menai Strait fell short — and not because of European perfidy, but under Britain’s own classification system."

[david555]

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

Very good synthetic article from an American newspaper, the new York Times. 

 

https://nyti.ms/3rFNs26

 

I'm not sure our local Brexiteers can read it 

Last line of article :

"The coronavirus is an acute condition. Brexit is chronic.”

 

Could be as good as  ..." Brexit is toxic " ....????