Goodbye Pattaya! Almost everyone in the entertainment industry has left - apartment complexes empty

[VBF]

15 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Watched an interview with a recidivist (Middlesbrough)...his argument was the same....he was unemployed and lived on a 'council' estate opposite a well-heeled area (if there is such a thing in Middlesbrough).......when asked why did he regularly go over and break into properties and steal?......They have stuff and I don't.

In the UK where we have a Benefits system to protect people, there is just no excuse for scum like that!

[DerbyDan]

I said something about a condo on here and had a guy pm me on here practically begging me to rent. He said he was stuck in another country and gave phone number in Thailand to call.

[Leaver]

On 2/13/2021 at 6:33 AM, hotandsticky said:

 

 

...because the alternative may not be attractive. 

 

An Isaan woman running a massage shop is different to the Nightwish Group etc, and they really don't prefer the lifestyle upcountry. The incentive to struggle on in an environment they are more comfortable is quite powerful.

 

If outgoings are more than income, what choice is there, debt, or more debt, for what?  Can always start up business again, when it's more profitable to do so.  

 

[Leaver]

On 2/13/2021 at 7:02 AM, HashBrownHarry said:

Do you suggest they just give up?

 

Then what?

 

I suggest they should have an understanding of the situation. 

 

Many most likely think that as soon as farang are vaccinated that they can, and will, come back here.  That's simply not the case.  Thai's will have to vaccinated as well.

 

I have no problem with minimising costs, but when expenses exceed income / revenue, even with the minimised costs,  what is the point?

 

[soi3eddie]

25 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

If outgoings are more than income, what choice is there, debt, or more debt, for what?  Can always start up business again, when it's more profitable to do so.  

 

 

Easy to say start up business again but from what state? New premises, new fixtures, fittings, staff, licences, key money, marketing etc. That can be very expensive and require a lot of capital. 

 

[Salerno]

2 minutes ago, Leaver said:

when income exceeds even the minimised costs,  what is the point?

 

Isn't that the whole point of business, income exceeds costs? 

[hotandsticky]

40 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

Isn't that the whole point of business, income exceeds costs? 

 

 

Not in Thailand.......... but I suspect you know that.

[BritManToo]

46 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Many most likely think that as soon as farang are vaccinated that they can, and will, come back here.  That's simply not the case.  Thai's will have to vaccinated as well.

.... and the virus would need to stop mutation, which seems unlikely.

[Leaver]

46 minutes ago, soi3eddie said:

 

Easy to say start up business again but from what state? New premises, new fixtures, fittings, staff, licences, key money, marketing etc. That can be very expensive and require a lot of capital. 

 

 

I have no doubt that many here have walked away from leases, but the ones that walked away early may be in a better position to start back up than those that have remained in the game, possibly accumulating debt.

 

Furnishings may be in storage.  Licenses may still be current.  Most staff will likely come back, and if not, will be very easy to find when covid is coming to an end. 

 

There will be plenty of premises to chose from, perhaps for some, in a better location, and for cheaper rent.

 

There's probably going to be about another year of the same conditions here.  That will be 2 years out of a current lease without profits.  For many, that basically means the business is not going to be profitable for the term of the lease. 

 

Perhaps some may have wished they got out earlier.  

 

 

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, Salerno said:

 

Isn't that the whole point of business, income exceeds costs? 

 

Yes. Of course. 

 

I think you replied while I was correcting my typo.

[Salerno]

16 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

Yes. Of course. 

 

I think you replied while I was correcting my typo.

 

Was just extracting the urine a little ????

[Leaver]

49 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

.... and the virus would need to stop mutation, which seems unlikely.

 

Hopefully, the global population can be vaccinated to a point that the virus dies out, before it mutates into a strain the current vaccination can't kill.  If not, the world could be back to square one.    

[Leaver]

20 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

Was just extracting the urine a little ????

 

Fast typers can extract urine quickly.  ????

[tonysilly]

On 2/7/2021 at 6:54 PM, owl sees all said:

Most Thais do live in villages, although many have leccy and water.

 

Shame about Patts. But then; shame about a lot of things around the world.

 

I am blessed to be in Isaan. Trees everywhere. Dirt roads. Clean air. Nice people. Dog packs a bit of a downer, and once the rains start, have to look out for snakes. Is there a better place to live than Isaan?

If you live alone on a mountain that's great. But if you have to deal with your lady bull <deleted> and her family. Then no.  Hope you live in peace. ????

[Leaver]

On 3/2/2021 at 11:47 AM, tonysilly said:

If you live alone on a mountain that's great. But if you have to deal with your lady bull <deleted> and her family. Then no.  Hope you live in peace. ????

 

I think for many guys living in Issan, their Thai lady has their farang well and truly where they want them.   

 

How does someone who works all their life, and aspires to retire in Thailand, most probably with sun, sea, sand and seafood nearby, end up in a small town in Issan, where they will see out the rest of their days? 

 

If you ask them, they will say it was their choice and how great Issan is, and for a small percentage, that may be true, but for the majority, I don't believe them.  

 

 

[Nsp64]

52 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

I think for many guys living in Issan, their Thai lady has their farang well and truly where they want them.   

 

How does someone who works all their life, and aspires to retire in Thailand, most probably with sun, sea, sand and seafood nearby, end up in a small town in Issan, where they will see out the rest of their days? 

 

If you ask them, they will say it was their choice and how great Issan is, and for a small percentage, that may be true, but for the majority, I don't believe them.  

 

 

They could always become a youtube vlogger and wander around a polluted,  stinking up country city telling us how great the farang food and nightlife is.

Maybe even throw in a few clips of the new house build for good measure.

But dont forget to take the missus everywhere for translation services and to try the thai food in a farang eatery.

[VBF]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

 

I think for many guys living in Issan, their Thai lady has their farang well and truly where they want them.   

 

How does someone who works all their life, and aspires to retire in Thailand, most probably with sun, sea, sand and seafood nearby, end up in a small town in Issan, where they will see out the rest of their days? 

 

If you ask them, they will say it was their choice and how great Issan is, and for a small percentage, that may be true, but for the majority, I don't believe them.  

 

I agree with you.

An old friend of mine, now deceased, used to live in Patong, Phuket where I first met him.

Through somewhat injudicious choices he ended up living in a tiny village in Uttaradit Province in a way too small house with way too little money.

I visited him 3 times over the years and after 203 days, I was climbing the walls!

 

He said he liked it there, but I knew him better than he thought I did.......

[VBF]

10 hours ago, VBF said:

I agree with you.

An old friend of mine, now deceased, used to live in Patong, Phuket where I first met him.

Through somewhat injudicious choices he ended up living in a tiny village in Uttaradit Province in a way too small house with way too little money.

I visited him 3 times over the years and after 203 days, I was climbing the walls!

 

He said he liked it there, but I knew him better than he thought I did.......

*Should have been  2-3 days!!!!

[champers]

2 hours ago, VBF said:

*Should have been  2-3 days!!!!

Just seemed like 203? Freudian slip.

[ChipButty]

20 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

I think for many guys living in Issan, their Thai lady has their farang well and truly where they want them.   

 

How does someone who works all their life, and aspires to retire in Thailand, most probably with sun, sea, sand and seafood nearby, end up in a small town in Issan, where they will see out the rest of their days? 

 

If you ask them, they will say it was their choice and how great Issan is, and for a small percentage, that may be true, but for the majority, I don't believe them.  

 

 

I dont believe them neither where I live in the south of the island surrounded by the ocean a beach in any direction in the 20 years of living here I've known a few guys move to sticky rice land to live amongst the extended family trying to tell me it's great,

I can see they are well and truly trapped dont speak the lingo miles away from anything civilized they are nothing more than a Farang,

 

 

[jacko45k]

14 hours ago, ChipButty said:

I dont believe them neither where I live in the south of the island surrounded by the ocean a beach in any direction in the 20 years of living here I've known a few guys move to sticky rice land to live amongst the extended family trying to tell me it's great,

I can see they are well and truly trapped dont speak the lingo miles away from anything civilized they are nothing more than a Farang,

 

 

I call a previous Pattaya pal who moved 'out there' maybe 4+ years ago now. He makes it sound as good as possible by mentioning one or two western owned bars/eateries he attends.... 

The reality is it is far far cheaper for him to live up there than in Pattaya and she got the little house in her name she nagged him for, for some years. I sense he is that object of discussion kept in the corner on a computer.

[Leaver]

On 3/5/2021 at 7:53 PM, Nsp64 said:

They could always become a youtube vlogger and wander around a polluted,  stinking up country city telling us how great the farang food and nightlife is.

Maybe even throw in a few clips of the new house build for good measure.

But dont forget to take the missus everywhere for translation services and to try the thai food in a farang eatery.

 

I met a few guys in a popular expat bar in Udon Thai on a weekend, some time ago.  Most were from small towns outside of Udon Thani.  They had told me they come into Udon Thani for a night out every weekend, and to speak English to people.  ????

 

Imaging working all your life, only to end up seeing out your days in a place where the highlight of your week, in your twilight years, is to drive 50kms or more for the luxury of speaking English to others.  ????

[Leaver]

On 3/5/2021 at 8:13 PM, VBF said:

I agree with you.

An old friend of mine, now deceased, used to live in Patong, Phuket where I first met him.

Through somewhat injudicious choices he ended up living in a tiny village in Uttaradit Province in a way too small house with way too little money.

I visited him 3 times over the years and after 203 days, I was climbing the walls!

 

He said he liked it there, but I knew him better than he thought I did.......

 

I've visited a few friends in Issan.  Makes for an interesting conversation when you discuss health care in Issan with them. 

 

[Leaver]

On 3/6/2021 at 3:43 PM, ChipButty said:

I dont believe them neither where I live in the south of the island surrounded by the ocean a beach in any direction in the 20 years of living here I've known a few guys move to sticky rice land to live amongst the extended family trying to tell me it's great,

I can see they are well and truly trapped dont speak the lingo miles away from anything civilized they are nothing more than a Farang,

 

 

 

If it wasn't for their weekly trip into town to go to the ATM to get money to hand over, they would never see civilisation again.  ????

[Andy from Kent]

On 2/6/2021 at 10:57 PM, Orton Rd said:

'Entertainment industry' makes it sound almost legitimate and legal, which it's not of course, according to the 1996 law on prostitution.

 

 

Isn't that around  the time you permanently left Thailand?

 

[Leaver]

11 hours ago, jacko45k said:

I sense he is that object of discussion kept in the corner on a computer.

 

Like an exhibit in a zoo, or a museum.

 

Invite friends and family over to see the rich farang fool.

[Andy from Kent]

13 minutes ago, Leaver said:

I visited him 3 times over the years and after 203 days, I was climbing the walls!

 

You were living with him?

 

[Leaver]

2 hours ago, Andy from Kent said:

 

You were living with him?

 

 

You have misquoted me.

 

Champers post that.  

[VBF]

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

You have misquoted me.

 

Champers post that.  

No it was actually mine and I added a further corrective post (just after my original) when I realised I meant to type:

 

I visited him 3 times over the years and each time after 2-3 days, I was climbing the walls! ????

[Leaver]

12 minutes ago, VBF said:

No it was actually mine and I added a further corrective post (just after my original) when I realised I meant to type:

 

I visited him 3 times over the years and each time after 2-3 days, I was climbing the walls! ????

 

Thanks for the correction.

 

I definitely know it wasn't me.  ????