Albert Zweistein Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 The Asian Detroit : bankrupt in 2013, number one in criminality in the US. Slowly recovering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 13 hours ago, rooster59 said: Thailand’s government has targeted 1 million electric vehicles on the roads by 2025 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blumpie Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Kindly explain your plans to upgrade the electrical grid. No plan? Didn't think so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunG Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 35 minutes ago, Blumpie said: Kindly explain your plans to upgrade the electrical grid. No plan? Didn't think so. Like California. Plan to be 100% electric vehicles. Can't keep the lights on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted March 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2021 Is the hapless govt. doing anything to support this? Successful production of electric, or hybrid requires massive government subsidies to be successful. Few here seem to be able to wrap their minds around the concept of sacrifice. The numbers seem ludicrous. "Amazing Thailand"? Or "Thailand the ludicrous hub" of projections, aims, declarations, goals decrees, proclamations, forecasts, and ideas, without anything to back them up, nor any follow up, at any level. It gets more surreal by the day. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujayujay Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 15 hours ago, klauskunkel said: That's 1 million silent killers, … you will have to continually rotate your head when walking anywhere. ....so you don't? Stay optimistic....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujayujay Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 13 hours ago, ParkerN said: Oh Dear God. Another hub in someone's mind. 1,000,000 elecrtic vehicles in a little less than 4 years - right. Not enough production capacity - hence TL *will become* a hub for production of electric vehicles - not *already is...* Somebody had another wet dream then.... Thai Carmanufacturers build 2 milion Cars in one Year.....whats your Problem!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkg Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Why would an ordinary Thai person choose to buy an electric motorbike? Thais ride ICE motorbikes because they are cheap, not because they like motorbikes. Anyone with money to spend is going to buy a car, because a car gives you status and is more useful. Electric motorbikes are expensive and have poor range. Few Thais will be interested. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 23 hours ago, rooster59 said: Thailand’s government has targeted 1 million electric vehicles on the roads by 2025 and 5 million by 2030. With six recharging stations all located in Bangkok. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 21 hours ago, klauskunkel said: That's 1 million silent killers, … you will have to continually rotate your head when walking anywhere. My missus has been doing that for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkerN Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, ujayujay said: Thai Carmanufacturers build 2 milion Cars in one Year.....whats your Problem!? My problem is that Electric Cars are not ICE cars, and it would likely be naive to assume that similar manufacturing factors would apply. Might be wrong if course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybuz Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 20 hours ago, Surelynot said: ....and it will all rest on this. How many charging plugs per station, I can imagine somchai getting upset that someone is taking to long to charge his vehicle , and out with the weapons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingamabob Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 I believe battery powered vehicles will be a short term phenomenon given the appalling conditions under which cobalt, which is anyway a finite product, is mined, and the problem of how to dispose of used batteries. Hydrogen is surely the way to go. It will be interesting to see how BMW progress with their development of the hydrogen- powered X5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canopy Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 34 minutes ago, Thingamabob said: cobalt Actually it is your thinking that is short term and dated. Cobalt is being dropped completely from newer EV battery chemistry. 34 minutes ago, Thingamabob said: Hydrogen is surely the way to go. Quite the opposite. When you consider the entire life cycle, hydrogen is too polluting and makes no sense. BMW's power of choice will be the death of them--developing new cars powered by gas, diesel, hybrid, hydrogen, and electric all at the same time meanwhile smarter companies focus on optimizing for the electric future where all the growth is. You can make something a lot better when you have all your people working on the same thing working towards the same goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, heybuz said: How many charging plugs per station, I can imagine somchai getting upset that someone is taking to long to charge his vehicle , and out with the weapons. Good god...yes....could be dead bodies all over the place.... I don't suppose hi-sos will be driving electric, but if they do, will they need separate charging points? Edited March 29, 2021 by Surelynot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkerN Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 On 3/28/2021 at 11:01 AM, Surelynot said: ....and it will all rest on this. Yes indeed. This will be the acid test. And it will become yet another SNA<deleted>U. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starky Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 On 3/28/2021 at 2:00 PM, Surelynot said: Had to read a dozen lines or more before I got to this little gem. Still you had to know it was going to be there somewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tingtong Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 The best bet would be e-scooters andce-tuktuks in the cities, if they could produce some reliable ones with decent 50-80km range. Shanghai has plenty e-scooters for example. The plus side: take up way less place on the city roads than cars do, with most commonly also a single traveller. Huge noise reduction from current, often modified to be loud bikes. Also charging is easy, little need to build new charger infrastructure. The only downside really is public attitude towards traffic laws, a big cause of road death toll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYNUFF Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 hubba hubba hubba, and one more hub, just for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Dude Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 E-fuels that can be used in combustion engines that are being currently being developed will be more useful and have a lower carbon footprint than EVs.... problem is, that vested interests/big business have decided on EVs and investments have been made. To make EVs ubiquitous, then it's not just about infrastructure and associated practicality challenges but also about where all the electricity comes from as the scale-up will need to be huge, and that's before we even get started on the issues regarding lithium batteries and their sourcing/disposal etc. It's going to take longer than the rose-tinted glasses brigade think and the logical step would be to go e-fuels first and slowly phase out oil/coal reliance. Also, countries like Thailand will have to figure out how to meet the changeover and up-take goals but still be about to scam it somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sir Dude said: have a lower carbon footprint than EVs Seriously???? .....Presumably this is highly dependent on how we generate the electricity....correct? Edited March 29, 2021 by Surelynot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redline Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 On 3/28/2021 at 8:15 AM, Wiggy said: Should they still be called motorcycles ? They will be driven by electric motors, so I imagine so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canopy Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Sir Dude said: E-fuels that can be used in combustion engines that are being currently being developed will be more useful and have a lower carbon footprint than EVs You wouldn't by chance have a credible source to verify that? Thought not. 2 hours ago, Sir Dude said: problem is, that vested interests/big business have decided on EVs and investments have been made. No, it would mean the smart players would rush in and crush EVs exactly what we are seeing with EV's rushing in to crush ICE. But the real answer is there is no such technology. 2 hours ago, Sir Dude said: To make EVs ubiquitous, then it's not just about infrastructure and associated practicality challenges but also about where all the electricity comes from as the scale-up will need to be huge, Of course EVs will accelerate this, but power is always being scaled up every year so nothing new there. It happens automatically as the country develops and the population grows. Do you know that building a new shopping center in Bangkok draws more power than entire provinces do in Thailand? They have demonstrated that they are perfectly capable of handling surges in increased demand. Also don't forget as time goes on more people will also be charging at home on solar. 2 hours ago, Sir Dude said: that's before we even get started on the issues regarding lithium batteries and their sourcing/disposal etc. It's already been thought of. New chemistries optimize out rare earths. The beautiful thing is they discovered it's cheaper to recycle an EV battery than to build a brand new one from raw materials. Thus, recycling is huge...just see what VW or battery recycling startups are up to. 2 hours ago, Sir Dude said: countries like Thailand will have to figure out how to meet the changeover and up-take goals but still be about to scam it somehow. That's a collision course. Here they are fat, dumb and happy boasting there will be this million EV's out there. Yet when people look and see the prices are double other countries no one is buying them. Not two years ago, not last year, not this year, nor will they buy them next year or the years after. Rather than fix the pricing problem, more than likely they'll just dream up excuses as to why Thailand is slow to adopt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwaibill Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 How much of a tax break to purchasers? Maybe I missed that. A complete moratorium for five years might accomplish government goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmartyMarty Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 On 3/28/2021 at 10:47 AM, tjo o tjim said: Scooters might not use much fuel, but they are not efficient. That actually makes them prime candidates. Scooters are brilliantly efficient. Use way less in both manufacture and operation than any car (and most cars globally carry only 1-2 people). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjo o tjim Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 17 hours ago, SmartyMarty said: Scooters are brilliantly efficient. Use way less in both manufacture and operation than any car (and most cars globally carry only 1-2 people). That is efficacy, not efficiency. Weight vs fuel consumption is efficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) On 3/27/2021 at 11:53 PM, Wiggy said: On 3/27/2021 at 9:11 PM, Blue Muton said: Well they have a motor...... Yes, you’re right. I somehow don’t see an electric motor as a motor. More of a whiny thing. But that’s just me. Lol. If you want to be technically correct, the current design is an enginecycle. Those whiny little things take a Tesla from zero to 60 faster than any car that's even close to the same price range. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_cars_by_acceleration Edited April 3, 2021 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 18 hours ago, SmartyMarty said: Scooters are brilliantly efficient. Use way less in both manufacture and operation than any car (and most cars globally carry only 1-2 people). If only they weren't 20-40 times as dangerous per km driven... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmartyMarty Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 5 hours ago, impulse said: If only they weren't 20-40 times as dangerous per km driven... Haha it's not the scooters that are dangerous but those untrained who are riding them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 12 hours ago, SmartyMarty said: 18 hours ago, impulse said: If only they weren't 20-40 times as dangerous per km driven... Haha it's not the scooters that are dangerous but those untrained who are riding them. Nah. It's simple physics. 4 wheels, seat belts and over a ton of steel make you safer in a car than on a scooter. Regardless of your skill level, you're 20-40x safer in a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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