16 hours ago, YetAnother said:

a classic thai screwup in the making; anything in this country with a supply chain of more than one is doomed to third world inefficiency; note the thai  attempts at bureaucracy

Corruption to follow

17 hours ago, TacoKhun said:

Interesting, no Russian vaccine who one of the biggest tourist group.

I have decided not travel for the next year or two until the authorities around the world sort themselves out. There is enough stress in travel without having Thailand open up Phuket on April 1st and not publish the list until April 2nd. How long until the list permeates throughout the world? What happens too Russians who turn up, often with families, and are told that they have to go into quarantine for extended quarantine? Won't they be unhappy and give Thailand a bad reputation?

How did these virus variants get all over the world so fast?  Were there travelers who were essential people, infected

  but traveled anyway all over the place?  It sure seems strange for these variants to be everywhere. 

     Anyone else been thinking about this situation?

         I believe that it will be at least 2 more years before most places have a better handle on this pandemic, at all.

Right now  most forecasts are just wishful dreams.

Geezer

What they forget is no matter the Quarantine time for Thailand (none will be accepted)

Any tourist will be required to Quarantine on the way back home.

No one in their right mind is going to take annual leave to fly to Thailand for minimum 7 days Quarantine then holiday here then fly home for a minimum 7 days Quarantine in home country.

Unless the whole Quarantine issue is completely gone tourist will never be back in significant numbers.

Jesus i get 30 days off in every 60 days and I still won't come to Thailand for time off as its just not worth the cost, effort, my time.

Voluntary Qarenteen is expensive

Thailand my experience with Qarenteen was so so but I was lucky my wife was able to deliver food as the hotel food was ATROCIOUS! and this was a 4 Start hotel.

Qarenteen in my home country would cost in excess of 100,000 bhat.

So nope never going to happen.

 

 

"However, they must be from countries with no mutated strain of SAR-CoV-2 virus as announced and constantly updated by the MoPH”.

 

Are there not mutated strains everywhere in the world by now?

4 hours ago, JCCR6 said:

Most of the vaccines don’t stop you carrying the virus, they just make you asymptomatic. The local population isn’t vaccinated, so seems there is a huge failure in logic here. 

 

Sound, factual and logical thinking like that won't get you anywhere here.

1 hour ago, dallen52 said:

But where can you pay for the vaccine?

LOS cannot.

UK cannot.

 

It's going to take time.

Uk, vat majority of over 50s and those in vulnerable groups have had at least one shot of the vaccine and receive their second shot within 3 months of the first. Now starting on the over 40s. How old are you?

It's all irrelevant anyway. The current vaccines do not prevent you from getting, carrying & shedding the virus.

 

They only prevent your from getting very sick. In fact there are many reports of vaccinated people testing positive

for the virus after vaccination.

 

So this hypothesis that vaccinated people are safe to travel without quarantine is pure hogwash.

 

Better just open up the world & let this flu take it's course, before the entire global economy is completely desecrated.

The data & research after 2 doses of Pfizer , AZ/Oxford, Moderna is excitedly good hence why advanced Western countries: Israel, UK, Europe, America & Canada are being jabbed day in day out. In Israel & UK hospital admissions have dropped dramatically and Pfizer is like gold as is AZ/Oxford with no transmissions hardly ever indicated. In Europe with AZ/Oxford a small number of blood clots reported but exceedingly  rare & offset by millions of saved lives. Israel and UK  over millions vaccinated - no issues.

 

I understand the Russian Vaccine has no acceptance in West as no proper reviewed research has been covered by their respective medical  authorities

 

Non vaccinated unlikely to be accepted across borders - why would you with over 2 to 3 million Covid19 deaths across world. This could get tricky for teenagers, young people in families or students wanting to travel outside Europe etc. All UK youngsters in education are being  tested twice weekly to ensure no spreading. With a shocking death toll of 127,000 Brits the country is rapidly taking more measures to combat this Pandemic. Vaccination is the only answer. 

11 minutes ago, armadillo215 said:

Is anyone surprised at these results? 12 important questions and answers before considering getting vaccinated:
●”If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?”

Government: “NO”

●”If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to work like normal?

Government: “NO”

●”If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?”

Government: “Maybe. We don’t know exactly, but probably not.”

●”If I get vaccinated, at least I won’t be contagious to others – right?”

Government: “NO. the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission.”

●”If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?”

Government: “No one knows. All Covid “vaccines” are still in the experimental stage.”

● “If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?”

Government: “NO”

● “If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug each other again?”

Government: “NO”

● “So what’s the benefit of getting vaccinated?”

Government: “Hoping that the virus won’t kill you.”

●”Are you sure the vaccine won’t injure or kill me?”

Government: “NO”

●”If statistically the virus won’t kill me (99.7% survival rate), why should I get vaccinated?”

Government: “To protect others.”

●”So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?”

Government: “NO”

● “If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine will I (or my family) be compensated from the vaccine manufacture or the Government?”

Government: “NO – the government and vaccine manufacturer’s have 100% zero liability regarding this experimental drug”

So to summarize, the Covid19 “vaccine”…

Does not provide immunity

Does not eliminate the virus

Does not prevent death

Does not guarantee you won’t get it

Does not stop you from passing it on to others

Does not eliminate the need for travel bans

Does not eliminate the need for business closures

Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns!!!
Now??

Virtually everything you say there was originally specific to the US only and is now outdated anyway.

 

In the UK and Israel for instance, where the vaccination rollout is well-advanced, social distancing is already being relaxed, and pubs and restaurants are starting to re-open.

 

No idea what you mean about the vaccines not preventing death - all the vaccines have shown 100% efficacy against hospitalisations and death.

 

New research contradicts various other things you mention, such as clearly indicating the vaccines do prevent transmission (to a massive extent) and immunity lasts for at least as long as the current data we have.  You can't project into the future of course, because it hasn't happened yet.

Just now, NoBrainer said:

t's all irrelevant anyway. The current vaccines do not prevent you from getting, carrying & shedding the virus.

I can't be bothered providing a link as I've done it in several threads befor but your statement is untrue. Latest research  shows that it provides immunity to almost the same extent as efficacy. People who made the same claim as you, such as Fauchi based their assumption on the fact that the research hadn't been done, therefore it might be true. We now know that it almost certainly isn't true.

While I am waiting to get my turn for the Two-Jab Stab, (or One Jab from J&J), I had a very mild case of the C*****e virus over 2 months ago and beat it in less than 1 week. I have the documented positive and negative test results for the virus as well as a documented positive test result for having the antibodies to prove all of this.

 

I'm no epidemiologist (or politician), but why wouldn't a documented test result showing I have the NATURAL antibodies to the virus originating from the country-not-to-be-named to be acceptable to enter Thailand and stay as a tourist without an ASQ ???

 

I will get the "vaccine" (which in reality, the mRNA technology "vaccine" injection is more of a "Gene Therapy" treatment that has skipped the animal testing steps and went directly into human testing) and go with it. I have some personal biz to attend to in Phuket and need to get there within a year or two so I'll do what it takes to get there without an ASQ.

 

Just curious. I am an American and have previously lived and worked in Thailand (with a valid work permit and previous non-immigrant O and B visas) when I lived and worked in Thailand from 2005-2017. I live in the US now.

 

 

These Thai government goons really are thick as mince.

28 minutes ago, NoBrainer said:

It's all irrelevant anyway. The current vaccines do not prevent you from getting, carrying & shedding the virus.

 

They only prevent your from getting very sick. In fact there are many reports of vaccinated people testing positive

for the virus after vaccination.

 

So this hypothesis that vaccinated people are safe to travel without quarantine is pure hogwash.

 

Better just open up the world & let this flu take it's course, before the entire global economy is completely desecrated.

Correct

Just now, WingFat said:

I'm no epidemiologist (or politician), but why wouldn't a documented test result showing I have the NATURAL antibodies to the virus originating from the country-not-to-be-named to be acceptable to enter Thailand and stay as a tourist without an ASQ

To avoid human rights issues, that is the current plan in the UK. My daughter (nurse) contracted Covid back in October. Although her colleagues have had the vaccine, she cannot as she is pregnant. To continue working she was given the antibody test which showed that she had good levels of Covid antibodies and she was able to continue working.

 

Before my first ever trip to Thailand I had the Hepatitis B vaccine. I was given the antibody test a few weeks later which showed that i hadn't developed the antibodies and I repeated the course of injections. I was tested again and shown not to have developed enough antibodies to provide me from full protection from Hepatitis B.

 

For me, a far better document to provide immigration would be one showing that you have sufficient levels of Covid antibodies. A quick and cheap test.

Astra Zeneca is on their list.... one has to wonder if they knew about the potential risks

 

Some countries are restricting use of the AstraZeneca vaccine while others have resumed inoculations, as investigations into reports of rare and sometimes severe, blood clots continue.

UK records 30 cases of rare blood clots

British regulators say they have identified 30 cases of rare blood clot events after the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine, 25 more than previously reported.

 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/man-44-reportedly-admitted-to-hospital-after-covid-19-vaccine-041611694.html

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

You're having a laugh. You must be an American.

It is a fact that these mRNA "vaccines" are not true vaccines as defined by the US CDC; the pharma cos. in the US were allowed to define their mRNA genetic "therapies" as vaccines to avoid  having any liability for adverse reactions.

You can publish as many lists and categories as you like.

As long as the word "quarantine" features they simply will not come.

Just now, WingFat said:

It is a fact that these mRNA "vaccines" are not true vaccines as defined by the US CDC; the pharma cos. in the US were allowed to define their mRNA genetic "therapies" as vaccines to avoid  having any liability for adverse reactions.

They are not genetic therapies. The genes are altered in a harmless coronavirus to cause the body to produce antibodies without the recipient becoming sick. it doesn't alter your genes in any way. Just anti vaxxer nonsense.

Just now, herfiehandbag said:

You can publish as many lists and categories as you like.

As long as the word "quarantine" features they simply will not come.

And many won't come if it includes the words "Covid insurance" and "certificate of entry from the Thai Embassy". Even "RT-PCR test 72 hours before flying" would be enough for some to seek an alternative destination. People going on holiday jut want to book a fight on Skyscanner and book a hotel on Agoda, pack their cases and enjoy a couple of weeks in the sun.

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

They are not genetic therapies. The genes are altered in a harmless coronavirus to cause the body to produce antibodies without the recipient becoming sick. it doesn't alter your genes in any way. Just anti vaxxer nonsense.

If the genetic structure in a "harmless" virus is altered, is that not some form of "genetic therapy" ??? Not wanting to get into a pissing contest, but rather getting definitions clarified.

Just now, WingFat said:

If the genetic structure in a "harmless" virus is altered, is that not some form of "genetic therapy" ??? Not wanting to get into a pissing contest, but rather getting definitions clarified.

Its a genetic modification of the virus, not you.

1 minute ago, polpott said:

And many won't come if it includes the words "Covid insurance" and "certificate of entry from the Thai Embassy".

How true, how many, for example, in the UK, are going to gleefully prepare for their holiday by flogging up to London to queue at the Thai Embassy, purchase additional insurance from a very restricted list of approved suppliers whilst all the time uncertain as to whether they are going to be "banged up" for 7, 10 or 14 days on arrival, likely on the whim of some bloke in a uniform.

 

It simply isn't going to happen.

11 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

jesus, they never learn LOL ????

Jesus said, "I'm fresh out of miracles"

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

Its a genetic modification of the virus, not you.

Got it...my other point is if someone already has (as I have) natural antibodies, why is what is effectively a synthetic form of developing antibodies via vaccines necessary to allow for travel to Thailand and other countries ? I am not an "anti-vaxxer" but I do have a healthy distrust of Big Pharma and Big Gov't politicians.

Just now, PETERTHEEATER said:

Jesus said, "I'm fresh out of miracles"

French Jesus said, "I'm fresh out of vaccine".

3 hours ago, Spock said:

Australia and New Zealand are nanny states that mollycoddle their citizens and impose layers of rules and regulations on everything. The world needs to start living again as soon as possible. As someone stuck in Australia, I can hardly wait for the opportunity to get out. Problem is that caution and bureaucracy have set back the vaccine rollout by many months in Australia. 

Or maybe you could rephrase it as Australia and New Zealand citizens have mobilized as a collective to successfully manage the Covid outbreak. Therefore avoiding multiple country wide lockdowns buy applying a systematic approach to managing the pandemic based on evidence based practices and science. The majority of countries are now attempting to do what these countries did a year ago after waiting for their health systems to almost collapse and causing unnecessary deaths and suffering. Destroying their economies at the same time. Is it perfect here in OZ ? No. But I can’t think of many other places I would want to be in the middle of a pandemic. Yes we can not leave the country but at least we are not going from lockdown to lockdown with no end in sight. My relatives in the UK would die to be living here at the moment. 

15 hours ago, John Drake said:

Looks like the Russians aren't on the list with their vaccine. Wasn't that one of the countries TAT was targeting a couple of weeks ago?

Of course.. so that Russians DO spend 10 days in quarantine. One TAT way to squeeze money 

Just now, WingFat said:

why is what is effectively a synthetic form of developing antibodies via vaccines necessary to allow for travel to Thailand and other countries ?

Read a previous post of mine. Its not only unnecessary but safer to rely on a positive antibody test than rely on a vaccination certificate. It could even be done at the point of entry to a country in 10 minutes.

The most significant underlying health condition that makes a person most susceptible to having serious symptoms,  being hospitalized or dying is obesity. Just a FYI.