With Songkran looming, will Thailand be able to get the Virus under control or will this be the start of a major outbreak that proves to be out of control?

the third wave has already started several days ago, with many clusters and will last about 3 months (first one was march-may, second december-february).

The previous ones were less contagious, so lasted shorter. Also possibly thai were immune to them from some similar virus in the past, possible genetically.

That one is from a mutation from the UK. So there is smaller chance thai are immune to it.

 

I don't worry about outbreak, they will be happening periodically at least 2x per year. What matters is how high toll they would put in the health system, how many deaths they will cause. So far thailand was doing well with almost empty hospitals.

But now in bangkok all beds are occupied. Private hospitals run out of tests.

So patients are coming with suspicious symptoms and can't be classified easily with tests. Even if they are tested, results would be coming with delay, because laboratories are in holiday mode.

Do expect in medical histories "lung infection", pneumonia, flu, even dengue or some other oriental illnesses, or food poisoning but not necessary "covid", if they don't have all covid symptoms. 

There are tens of covid symptoms, not necessary obvious to the general public. In some countries every single patients coming to hospital for any serious treatment were tested for covid, just to exclude contamination of hospital.

Patients will be avoiding hospitals or pushed away during songkran, because they are now understaffed, with half capacity. So patients won't be kept overnight, but told to go home and come back the next day if symptoms persist.

 

it's obvious, that the government is downplaying this outbreak, partly because ministers, parliamentarians, high ranking police and army officers, as well as celebrities are heavily involved in spreading virus through the Cristal Club 

Edited April 11, 20215 yr by internationalism

can't answer the survey as I feel the government are making a right <deleted> of things plus I feel the new wave is not new at all, Thailand has had lots of infected people who fortunately are asymptomatic or do not fall acutely ill or die it seems, don't know why vitamin D?

So will there be loads of deaths? maybe not...

Where was the option to say no government can control COVID.

No need to bash the thai government.

5 hours ago, internationalism said:

the third wave has already started several days ago, with many clusters and will last about 3 months (first one was march-may, second december-february).

The previous ones were less contagious, so lasted shorter. Also possibly thai were immune to them from some similar virus in the past, possible genetically.

That one is from a mutation from the UK. So there is smaller chance thai are immune to it.

 

I don't worry about outbreak, they will be happening periodically at least 2x per year. What matters is how high toll they would put in the health system, how many deaths they will cause. So far thailand was doing well with almost empty hospitals.

But now in bangkok all beds are occupied. Private hospitals run out of tests.

So patients are coming with suspicious symptoms and can't be classified easily with tests. Even if they are tested, results would be coming with delay, because laboratories are in holiday mode.

Do expect in medical histories "lung infection", pneumonia, flu, even dengue or some other oriental illnesses, or food poisoning but not necessary "covid", if they don't have all covid symptoms. 

There are tens of covid symptoms, not necessary obvious to the general public. In some countries every single patients coming to hospital for any serious treatment were tested for covid, just to exclude contamination of hospital.

Patients will be avoiding hospitals or pushed away during songkran, because they are now understaffed, with half capacity. So patients won't be kept overnight, but told to go home and come back the next day if symptoms persist.

 

it's obvious, that the government is downplaying this outbreak, partly because ministers, parliamentarians, high ranking police and army officers, as well as celebrities are heavily involved in spreading virus through the Cristal Club 

It's not the UK strain, it has been proven to be 100% match with the Cambodian strain which was first detected in Cambodia about 6 weeks ago. All related to the Thonglor outbreak.

IMHO I don’t think the government are taking this latest wave very seriously at all, and I wonder if it’s because they and their cronies have probably been vaccinated. 

Edited April 11, 20215 yr by Wiggy

Any disease will run its natural course eventually, regardless of governments either trying to knee jerk reacting against it or not. In some cases it will destroy life, and in others strengthen the immune system of the healthy and strong ones. In a society, where we have been indoctrinated to bash and hate the strong, hard working and innovative ones while investing all our money, time and effort into getting even the weakest and laziest pulled through, a big natural "cleanup" is long, long overdue! May the strongest and the best of us survive.

Edited April 11, 20215 yr by Freigeist365

10 minutes ago, Freigeist365 said:

Any disease will run its natural course eventually, regardless of governments either trying to knee jerk reacting against it or not. In some cases it will destroy life, and in others strengthen the immune system of the healthy and strong ones. In a society, where we have been indoctrinated to bash and hate the strong, hard working and innovative ones while investing all our money, time and effort into getting even the weakest and laziest pulled through, a big natural "cleanup" is long, long overdue! May the strongest and the best of us survive.

the spanish flu killed up to 100mln, some 5% of world population, mostly young and healthy, not sick and elderly.

The new strain in brasil is killing healthy 20-30 years old.

Healthy children are not dying, but have long lasting serious health complications

 

Edited April 11, 20215 yr by internationalism

Nobody in the World has yet got covid 'under control'.  Let's see how things look after a southern summer and a northern winter and how the various mutations  impact the long term. Any optimism that the virus is 'controllable' is way too premature in my view. 

I'm afraid it is already too late to prevent it. Sad to see the govt have totally wasted the year they have had to prepare for such an outcome. 

meanwhile, France24 just said the AstraZeneca vaccine is only 21% effective against the new strains.

In the end it boils down to:

You can't control what can't be controlled.

Believe me. I know what I'm talking about - I am married to a Thai wife!!!!

Edited April 11, 20215 yr by Freigeist365

34 minutes ago, rabas said:

Can you please provide verifiable evidence  and scientific opinion that the UK strain that entered Cambodia last month from Chinese and India tourists was the precursor of the Kent virus some half year ago in England?  It is easy to show that the Cambodia strain is down stream from the Kent virus.,

 

The reference you give post from the Bangkok Post does not mention it.

 

it's too far related to thailand and cambodia, from where it came to thailand.

I do not care much about indian or chinese mutations, as I am not going to travel. 

Probably you can google it in 5 seconds, if really interested

They were too busy basking in the limelight of being so successful to deal with very small numbers last year that they forgot in might come back and bite their Butt !    Not proactive in ordering enough shots anywhere near early enough to keep the Population safe whilst the number of cases were low but you can't expect anything other than inefficiency from a bunch of jumped up Soldiers (Gangsters) in Parliament.  Total disaster now and out of control but all we will get from the Brainless of Bangkok will be excuses as they try ever so heard to blame everyone and anyone but themselves !

1 hour ago, Freigeist365 said:

Any disease will run its natural course eventually, regardless of governments either trying to knee jerk reacting against it or not. In some cases it will destroy life, and in others strengthen the immune system of the healthy and strong ones. In a society, where we have been indoctrinated to bash and hate the strong, hard working and innovative ones while investing all our money, time and effort into getting even the weakest and laziest pulled through, a big natural "cleanup" is long, long overdue! May the strongest and the best of us survive.

Want to take your theory to test on Ebola or Small pox, Malaria, Tuberculosis,...?

it was under control and people who were sick went to hospital, then the govt fell victim to the testing scam where you needed a test to tell you if you had had covid...then the stats went crazy...stop testing and covid will go away.

1 hour ago, tgw said:

meanwhile, France24 just said the AstraZeneca vaccine is only 21% effective against the new strains.

To quote Mandy Rice Davies; well they would say that wouldn't they. Jealously knows no bounds when it comes to Macron and his cronies. 

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Where was the option to say no government can control COVID.

No need to bash the thai government.

That's exactly right, but in this brave new communist world, it's all about governments/nanny states.

 

Governments should never have been involved in the first place.

 

They should have provided assistance, when requested, to the medical authorities, but certainly not take the matter in their own hands, decide how to manage everything, and in some countries even decide which medicines doctors could prescribe or not!

 

If you want to make a big mess out of a small mess, just call the government.

 

"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help" (Ronald Reagan).

The short term recovery programme has just gone from 6 months to 12 

1 hour ago, trainman34014 said:

They were too busy basking in the limelight of being so successful to deal with very small numbers last year that they forgot in might come back and bite their Butt !    Not proactive in ordering enough shots anywhere near early enough to keep the Population safe whilst the number of cases were low but you can't expect anything other than inefficiency from a bunch of jumped up Soldiers (Gangsters) in Parliament.  Total disaster now and out of control but all we will get from the Brainless of Bangkok will be excuses as they try ever so heard to blame everyone and anyone but themselves !

100% right , they should have ordered millions of vaccines in the time they HAD everything under controle so they could have vaccinated millions of people even before the third wave could have happened .

I thought the government handled the first wave very well indeed.......but they made zero provision for vaccines. Could they be so incompetent to see that vaccination would be the key to reopening the economy? I could see it but Anutin and the blockheads that inhabit his world cannot see anything coming at them. They couldn't organise a pi$$ up in a brewery. They just want the limelight of press conferences to boost their faces.

3 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

I thought the government handled the first wave very well indeed.......but they made zero provision for vaccines. Could they be so incompetent to see that vaccination would be the key to reopening the economy? I could see it but Anutin and the blockheads that inhabit his world cannot see anything coming at them. They couldn't organise a pi$$ up in a brewery. They just want the limelight of press conferences to boost their faces.

It wasn't incompetence, it was a calculated risk that if the vaccine was produced in country then certain people would directly benefit. 

 

This is why any criticism of the vaccine procurement programme was met swiftly with criminal charges.

1 minute ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

It wasn't incompetence, it was a calculated risk that if the vaccine was produced in country then certain people would directly benefit. 

 

This is why any criticism of the vaccine procurement programme was met swiftly with criminal charges.

I think Anutin is a buffoon. Do you think Anutin is a competent minister? If, so we can agree to differ.

There must be some really bored people around here!

Nope. Not a chance in hell. But not only Thailand but every other country as well in spite of draconian shutdown measures. The new normal is masks forever. LOL

3 hours ago, Wiggy said:

IMHO I don’t think the government are taking this latest wave very seriously at all, and I wonder if it’s because they and their cronies have probably been vaccinated. 

Except vaccinations against covid 19 are only partially(less than 50%) effective against new strains. So yeah everyone rush out and get jabbed, Wasting your time.

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

That's exactly right, but in this brave new communist world, it's all about governments/nanny states.

 

Governments should never have been involved in the first place.

 

They should have provided assistance, when requested, to the medical authorities, but certainly not take the matter in their own hands, decide how to manage everything, and in some countries even decide which medicines doctors could prescribe or not!

 

If you want to make a big mess out of a small mess, just call the government.

 

"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help" (Ronald Reagan).

Yes just take Brazil where the government did not do anything its a shining example of how bad it can get when covid deniers get their way.

1 hour ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

100% right , they should have ordered millions of vaccines in the time they HAD everything under controle so they could have vaccinated millions of people even before the third wave could have happened .

Good points.

Thailand only approved for first use AstraZeneca 1 year (Feb. 2021?) after UK approved its first BioNtec vaccine. And then seemed to have switched its priorities to SinoVac with an national rollout of approved vaccines in June 2021.

Meanwhile not taking advantage of low infection and death rates during 2020 by doing massive population testing with focus on potential spreader areas such as migrant workers, prisons, etc

The government popped its own bubble. And citizens suffer.

There should be a 4th choice.  

Will the world ever get it sorted out.  

 

The problems with covid are not something anyone has figured out so it is wrong to comment about Thailand's in ability.

 

The same things that are causing trouble in Ontario Canda and the U.S. is that people do not take it seriously.  They still want to party likje there is no issue or nothing to worry about.

 

When bars and clubs are closed we seem to have it under control 

The key to it in my opinion is mass rapid vaccinations of the population of Thailand. Progress appears to have been very slow in this regard to be honest.