Story Of My Thai Citizenship Application

[Arkady]

On 9/2/2023 at 7:52 AM, onthemoon said:

I am always amazed by your in-depth knowledge and find it very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

 

Would you know any details about the new ministerial regulations? I am aware that they have not become valid, as they were never published in the RG, but it will show us what direction the line of thought was last year.

I attach a report of the cabinet resolution to draft new ministerial regulations in January 2021. Also the current 1967 ministerial regulations, the only ones ever published pursuant to the current 1965 Nationality Act.  Here is something about DOPA gathering feedback on the draft regulations (nice to think that they bother with feedback) but the link is dead http://dopasakonnakhon.go.th/home/download/7868.html .  Also an unrevealing memo on the same subject from the D-G of DOPA https://www.bora.dopa.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/mt030910_v26906.pdf.  So the feedback gathering process may have taken a long time and not been completed before the election - or something. There were some more reports at the end of last year saying that there would be language testing arranged by DOPA in every province with advisory services from Chula but this sounds highly impractical, as some provinces rarely produce applicants.  The obvious thing to do was to make it Bangkok only application, as in the case of PR but they didn't seem to want to do that.

 

So it is now left to the MOI under the capable hands of Anutin, despite the fact that his BJP expressed little or policy ideas for local administration or any of the MOI's work in its election manifesto. So it will be a process of discovery what they plan to do.

Ministerial regulations 11 Jan 2022.docx Ministerial regulations Nationality Act 1967.pdf

[Arkady]

It is interesting to note that there is hardly anything of consequence in the 1967 ministerial regulations that it took them the better part of two years to publish after the 1965 Nationality Act which probably meant no one could apply in that time. I think it also quite likely that most of the regulations were cut and paste from the previous ones pursuant to the previous nationality act, as indeed was the nationality act itself, but the new act specified that they had to be redrafted.  What is significant in the 1967 regulations is the impractical system of requiring applications in the province of residence which the new draft regulations failed to address after 55 years of the chaos caused by that. They only took away the initial application processing away from SB and gave it to DOPA, which they perhaps believed might solve the problem in the provinces.  The 1967 regulations also specified that the definition of knowledge of the Thai language is the ability to speak and understand it.  The new draft regulations seemed to expand on that by requiring more rigorous testing but I think but am not certain that they stopped short of testing for reading and writing ability.

 

It is odd that the regulations have not been regularly updated but we know that ministerial guidelines in 2009 added the requirement for the affidavit which has also been made somewhat impractical by the refusal of certain embassies to cooperate (understandable on their part). Ministerial guidelines, unlike ministerial regulations, are not published in the Royal Gazette and do not technically have the force of law.  There was apparently no reference to the affidavit in the cabinet resolution or the draft ministerial regulations.

 

Since the last government failed to get the draft ministerial regulations into the RG, we will have to wait and see what happens to them under the next government. Since the new interior minister was in the cabinet that resolved what should be in the regulations in January 2022, it could be that he will publish the draft that has already been written.

[onthemoon]

19 hours ago, Arkady said:

I attach a report of the cabinet resolution to draft new ministerial regulations in January 2021. Also the current 1967 ministerial regulations, the only ones ever published pursuant to the current 1965 Nationality Act.  Here is something about DOPA gathering feedback on the draft regulations (nice to think that they bother with feedback) but the link is dead http://dopasakonnakhon.go.th/home/download/7868.html .  Also an unrevealing memo on the same subject from the D-G of DOPA https://www.bora.dopa.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/mt030910_v26906.pdf.  So the feedback gathering process may have taken a long time and not been completed before the election - or something. There were some more reports at the end of last year saying that there would be language testing arranged by DOPA in every province with advisory services from Chula but this sounds highly impractical, as some provinces rarely produce applicants.  The obvious thing to do was to make it Bangkok only application, as in the case of PR but they didn't seem to want to do that.

 

So it is now left to the MOI under the capable hands of Anutin, despite the fact that his BJP expressed little or policy ideas for local administration or any of the MOI's work in its election manifesto. So it will be a process of discovery what they plan to do.

Ministerial regulations 11 Jan 2022.docx 20.14 kB · 4 downloads Ministerial regulations Nationality Act 1967.pdf 6.93 MB · 4 downloads

Thanks. Let me c&p this sentence: "The competent official must complete the process within 90 days or 120 days in the case of filing abroad. which can be extended for no more than 30 days at a time". I don't know whether this means the DOPA needs to send the file to the committee within that time frame, or who the "competent official" is. I haven't read the original Thai text yet, though. FWIW I am attaching a file I saved on my computer in 2020. Hm.

 

BTW I did not see anything about a language test by Chula in the files you attached, I did read this: "Tuition from an educational institution in Thailand at least at the primary level". It's a course offered by some established language schools, and you study at your own pace. Three months, two years, up to you. The primary school final exam for foreigners is at the Ministry of Education (I think once or twice a year). I got my Thai Primary School degree (ป. 6) this way in the early 2000s.

 

 

 

[Somjot]

On 8/28/2023 at 6:35 PM, Arkady said:

Germany has got easier but still harder than most other European countries and has the requirement to surrender non-EU citizenship 

That is not entirely correct.

 

Germany allows citizens of certain countries to keep their citizenship, while getting the German one.

 

Thailand was added 2012.

[Somjot]

 

Phantastic thread by the way.

 

I've been thinking about Thai citizenship for quite some time now.

 

I have permanent residency since 2006, as it was mandatory to get a blue tabien baan, which again was one of many requirements to be allowed to certain exams. To pass them, which I finally managed 2010, would allow me to work in my profession in Thailand.

 

I do see the advantages of Thai citizenship, but I am not much interested in buying land or a house as I live in a beautiful one already, perfectly located for my needs, with a 30-year lease.

 

The residency is very comfortable and as all I must do, is getting my multiple re-entry permit, in case I want to travel abroad, which is not a big deal.

 

The advantage is, that I am 100% legal.

 

Thai citizenship requires to surrender the original one, mine being German, which I definitely don't want to.

 

I have read in here, that it only requires “the intention to surrender the original citizenship”, but despite not having any experience with that, I doubt, the officials would accept any excuse like: “of course I intended to give back my citizenship but later I changed my intentions which is only human.”

 

I'm pretty much sure the reason why they did not write “MUST give back the original citizenship” is, that many countries simply do not allow it and you just can`t give it back.

 

But the German one can be given back, even worse, if you successfully apply for a new citizenship without asking for permission in advance, your German one is automatically revoked, once they find out.

 

Any suggestions?

 

And apologies, I did not read the entire thread, but I will do as soon as I have the time.

 

[Dogmatix]

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

That is not entirely correct.

 

Germany allows citizens of certain countries to keep their citizenship, while getting the German one.

 

Thailand was added 2012.

That is interesting. There was a rush by UK citizens entitled to German citizenship to apply before Brexit became effective because once the UK was out of the EU Germany no longer allowed Brits to claim their German citizenship without surrendering UK citizenship. I am surprised that Thais are allowed to retain Thai citizenship and many don't seem to know as they have still been renouncing their Thai citizenship to obtain German citizenship since 2012, as reported in the RG.

[Arkady]

12 hours ago, onthemoon said:

Thanks. Let me c&p this sentence: "The competent official must complete the process within 90 days or 120 days in the case of filing abroad. which can be extended for no more than 30 days at a time". I don't know whether this means the DOPA needs to send the file to the committee within that time frame, or who the "competent official" is. I haven't read the original Thai text yet, though. FWIW I am attaching a file I saved on my computer in 2020. Hm.

 

BTW I did not see anything about a language test by Chula in the files you attached, I did read this: "Tuition from an educational institution in Thailand at least at the primary level". It's a course offered by some established language schools, and you study at your own pace. Three months, two years, up to you. The primary school final exam for foreigners is at the Ministry of Education (I think once or twice a year). I got my Thai Primary School degree (ป. 6) this way in the early 2000s.

 

 

 

I think the idea was send the file to the next stage at the MOI within 90 days after the applicant has signed the application.  That covers the period the file is going around the narcotics agency and the NIA interview.  That was what was in the flow chart on SB's website some years ago.  So I assume they just rehashed it, except that SB would no longer be involved.

 

Chula was not mentioned in the cabinet resolution but I saw the suggestion that Chula would be asked to help design the tests in an article somewhere but can no longer find it. It seems logical that an educational institute like Chula that has a course of Thai for foreigners would be involved but who knows what they will do when they get around to it. 

 

I think the dea of Por 6 was exempt applicants from language testing if they had graduated from Thai medium school at Por 6 or higher.  It would be tempting to think that would include a pass in the Por 6 for foreigners exam, assuming it still exists, but I somehow doubt that would count because they have probably never heard of it.  I presented my own Por 6 for foreigners certificate to SB, thinking they would very impressed and might even let me off the language testing.  But they simply had no idea what it was, were unimpressed when I explained and I even had to push them to include a copy of it in my file.

[Arkady]

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

 

Phantastic thread by the way.

 

I've been thinking about Thai citizenship for quite some time now.

 

I have permanent residency since 2006, as it was mandatory to get a blue tabien baan, which again was one of many requirements to be allowed to certain exams. To pass them, which I finally managed 2010, would allow me to work in my profession in Thailand.

 

I do see the advantages of Thai citizenship, but I am not much interested in buying land or a house as I live in a beautiful one already, perfectly located for my needs, with a 30-year lease.

 

The residency is very comfortable and as all I must do, is getting my multiple re-entry permit, in case I want to travel abroad, which is not a big deal.

 

The advantage is, that I am 100% legal.

 

Thai citizenship requires to surrender the original one, mine being German, which I definitely don't want to.

 

I have read in here, that it only requires “the intention to surrender the original citizenship”, but despite not having any experience with that, I doubt, the officials would accept any excuse like: “of course I intended to give back my citizenship but later I changed my intentions which is only human.”

 

I'm pretty much sure the reason why they did not write “MUST give back the original citizenship” is, that many countries simply do not allow it and you just can`t give it back.

 

But the German one can be given back, even worse, if you successfully apply for a new citizenship without asking for permission in advance, your German one is automatically revoked, once they find out.

 

Any suggestions?

 

And apologies, I did not read the entire thread, but I will do as soon as I have the time.

 

I know a couple of Germans who are naturalised Thais. The procedure was to obtain permission to retain German nationality from foreign ministry in Berlin before you apply for Thai citizenship. You need to present what is considered a good reason. Historically they have accepted that an applicant needs Thai nationality to own his own business and/or land without the disadvantage of having to use a Thai nominee and, of course wishes to retain strong links with Germany and ultimately move back there, which is of course contradictory to the intent to remain permanently in Thailand when you apply for Thai nationality but that doesn't seem to matter.  In the past AFAIK the German embassy has been willing to provide the affidavit about renouncing German nationality, even though the applicant has been given permission to actually retain German citizenship.  You ought to check with the embassy that this is the case.

 

Re your questions about the MOI doesn't ask for a renunciation certificate, as indeed Germany does from new German citizens who have not been given permission to hold dual nationality.  I am sure they would love to ask for this but they cannot because it is not authorized in the Nationality Act which makes provision for revocation of Thai nationality of dual citizens in certain circumstances but makes no provision for forced renunciation of their other nationalities.  So the MOI goes as far as it thinks it can without overstepping its authority under the Act which it fears could lead to law suits in the Administrative Court. A recent case where the MOI was sued for revoking Thai citizenship dragged on for 16 years and ended up with the ministry losing the case and having to reinstate a couple's Thai nationality. There are some powerful people who either have dual nationality or their children have which has historically prevented the MOI from having more specific and general prohibitions against dual amended into the Nationality Act. in 1992 the Act was in fact amended to allow the MOI to strip Thai nationality from luk krung, unless they renounced their other nationality between the ages of 20 and 21 and this happened under a military installed government without any public outcry in the media.  But it was obviously very upsetting to a person or persons of consequence because the law was amended again only three weeks later to dilute the offending clause, so as to mean that luk krung had the right but the not the obligation to renounce Thai nationality at that age, if they wised to retain their other nationality, which some might choose to do, if they lived outside Thailand and were forced to do so to retain their other nationality.  Very few countries actually check up on this and I can't recall seeing a single case in the RG.  Asking for the affidavit was only introduced in 2009 and is not in the Act or ministerial regulations and therefore is potentially open to legal challenge. It is effective with nationalities that prohibit dual nationality because they inform the embassies once Thai citizenship is granted.  Since a lot of the applicants are from China and India, this may have the effect of forcing those nationalities to renounce their birth citizenships, although I am not sure how strict China is over this.

[onthemoon]

13 hours ago, Somjot said:

That is not entirely correct.

 

Germany allows citizens of certain countries to keep their citizenship, while getting the German one.

 

Thailand was added 2012.

You have to apply for approval from the Bundesverwaltungsamt in Cologne first. This goes via the Embassy. If you receive Thai citizenship before the actual certificate (Beibehaltungsgenehmigung) has been physically handed to you by the Embassy, you will automatically lose your German citizenship. Contact the Embassy or send me PM for more details.

[david143]

1st September 2023 Thai nationality interviews

[samran]

2 hours ago, david143 said:

1st September 2023 Thai nationality interviews

Interesting slide on the screen. Its a little blurry but it looks like some stats on citizenship applications. Can't quite read it, but maybe if someone has some sort of picture enhancer it would clear up and we can read it. 

[Arkady]

2 hours ago, samran said:

Interesting slide on the screen. Its a little blurry but it looks like some stats on citizenship applications. Can't quite read it, but maybe if someone has some sort of picture enhancer it would clear up and we can read it. 

I sharpened it up as much as possible in Lightroom and translated it with the Google translate camera which did a better job of deciphering the characters than my own eyes but a not so good job of translating it. The second part must people who applied for naturalization, if the first part is foreign women who applied to adopt Thai husband's nationality. Foreign wives rejected looks like 300 and something but the number approved is obscured on the slide, although it looks to be a 4 digit number. Likewise applicants for naturalization is a undeterminable 4 digit number, while rejections looks like 459, not 555.

 

No time period for these stats but it must be 10 years or more.  What is surprising is the number of rejections, as we never hear of outright rejections and tend to assume that one the one hand, everyone who meets the qualifications passes, and that on the other hand SB is smart enough not to put up applicants who are unqualified.  I still believe that the former is true but I would guess the tendency for the rejections are cases where SB let some slip through the net and/or applicants who become unqualified in between applying at SB and being interviewed, e.g. got divorced, became unemployed and WP was requested. This thread also probably has some survivorship bias, i.e. most of the posters are fully qualified and persistent enough to deal with the inevitable banana skins lobbed in their path.

[Dogmatix]

4 hours ago, david143 said:

1st September 2023 Thai nationality interviews

The female applicants are nicer looking than the ones I recall from my interview batch. Do you think the one on the left with the little boy is a model hired by DOPA?

 

[Somjot]

23 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

That is interesting. There was a rush by UK citizens entitled to German citizenship to apply before Brexit became effective because once the UK was out of the EU Germany no longer allowed Brits to claim their German citizenship without surrendering UK citizenship. I am surprised that Thais are allowed to retain Thai citizenship and many don't seem to know as they have still been renouncing their Thai citizenship to obtain German citizenship since 2012, as reported in the RG.

As you may know Germany has the problem, that it is running out of Germans.

 

So, they saw no other way out, than to select countries, where they would allow double citizenship.

 

They knew for a long time, that renouncing the Thai citizenship to get the German one would be very hard for Thai nationals for example if they owned property back home. They just didn't care.

 

As Thai citizens living in Germany are not known for causing a lot of trouble and if the worst they would do, is some fraud with Internet poker, in 2012 it was decided to grant them double citizenship.

 

I know, because as soon as I got the information in that year, my now ex-wife applied for the German citizenship and got it one year later (we had been married for more than 10 years by then).

 

And I also remember, that one day after the German government had announced that, there was an announcement on the website of every Thai embassy in Germany, that Thailand still does not accept double citizenship and that from now on immigration officers are ordered to control incoming Thai passengers from Germany and if they should catch one with double citizenship, there would be huge problems, although they never defined those problems.

 

As far as I know foreigners for example from the Middle East are still not granted double citizenship and I can't say that I am disappointed about that.

 

 

What I never forget, was the day, when my wife was invited to come and get her documents which proved that she is German from now on.

 

The last thing she had to do was to read a list with hundreds of different terroristic organizations and confirm that she “does not cooperate or sympathize” with any of these organizations.

 

I said “Wait a minute, this is our line of defense? This is how you separate the bad guys from the good guys? So I could sit here with an explosive belt making ticking noises and just sign, that I have nothing to do with any of these organizations and get my German citizenship?”

 

The officer said “this is not funny.”

 

And I answered “Absolutely not. I am confused and worried, as I don't see any kind of protection for our country from this list. There are rumors that some of those terrorists might also be liars.”

 

She said “Sure, but if we find out later, that you have been lying about this, we can renounce the German citizenship at any time.”

 

When leaving I said: “Yep! That would surely scare the <deleted> out of them.”

 

 

[Dogmatix]

38 minutes ago, Somjot said:

And I also remember, that one day after the German government had announced that, there was an announcement on the website of every Thai embassy in Germany, that Thailand still does not accept double citizenship and that from now on immigration officers are ordered to control incoming Thai passengers from Germany and if they should catch one with double citizenship, there would be huge problems, although they never defined those problems.

 

Not a lot that Thai Immigration could do about them, given that there is nothing in the Nationality Act providing for revocation of Thai citizenship from Thais born to a Thai parent. To make things even clearer the 2017 constitution prohibits revocation of citizenship from anyone Thai from birth.  Hopefully Immigration has better things to do these days than trying to enforce non-existent laws.

 

It seems odd that the Thai embassy and consulates in Germany would have put such nonsense on their websites when the Foreign Ministry has long posted advice to Thai citizens with dual nationality on how to travel, i.e. use the Thai passport to enter and leave Thailand and the foreign passport for the foreign country.  Could you please post a sample.

Edited September 5, 2023 by Dogmatix

[Dogmatix]

17 hours ago, Somjot said:

As you may know Germany has the problem, that it is running out of Germans.

 

So, they saw no other way out, than to select countries, where they would allow double citizenship.

 

They knew for a long time, that renouncing the Thai citizenship to get the German one would be very hard for Thai nationals for example if they owned property back home. They just didn't care.

 

As Thai citizens living in Germany are not known for causing a lot of trouble and if the worst they would do, is some fraud with Internet poker, in 2012 it was decided to grant them double citizenship.

 

I know, because as soon as I got the information in that year, my now ex-wife applied for the German citizenship and got it one year later (we had been married for more than 10 years by then).

 

And I also remember, that one day after the German government had announced that, there was an announcement on the website of every Thai embassy in Germany, that Thailand still does not accept double citizenship and that from now on immigration officers are ordered to control incoming Thai passengers from Germany and if they should catch one with double citizenship, there would be huge problems, although they never defined those problems.

 

As far as I know foreigners for example from the Middle East are still not granted double citizenship and I can't say that I am disappointed about that.

 

 

What I never forget, was the day, when my wife was invited to come and get her documents which proved that she is German from now on.

 

The last thing she had to do was to read a list with hundreds of different terroristic organizations and confirm that she “does not cooperate or sympathize” with any of these organizations.

 

I said “Wait a minute, this is our line of defense? This is how you separate the bad guys from the good guys? So I could sit here with an explosive belt making ticking noises and just sign, that I have nothing to do with any of these organizations and get my German citizenship?”

 

The officer said “this is not funny.”

 

And I answered “Absolutely not. I am confused and worried, as I don't see any kind of protection for our country from this list. There are rumors that some of those terrorists might also be liars.”

 

She said “Sure, but if we find out later, that you have been lying about this, we can renounce the German citizenship at any time.”

 

When leaving I said: “Yep! That would surely scare the <deleted> out of them.”

 

 

BTW I looked for information about the announcement that Thais are entitled to retain their Thai citizenship when they naturaluralize as Germans since 2012 but couldn't find anything about that. All I could find was that Swiss and EU nationals resident in Germany are automatically permitted to retain their other nationalities. Do you have a source for this?  I have a Thai friend living and working in Germany who has avoided applying for German nationality because she believes she will be forced to renounce her Thai nationality, which is not an option as she owns Thai land.

 

Admittedly the German nationality law looks set to be changed to permit dual nationality for citizens of most countries to bring Germany into line with most of the rest of the EU which has gradually been removing or reducing restrictions on dual nationality. 

[Somjot]

19 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

Not a lot that Thai Immigration could do about them, given that there is nothing in the Nationality Act providing for revocation of Thai citizenship from Thais born to a Thai parent. To make things even clearer the 2017 constitution prohibits revocation of citizenship from anyone Thai from birth.  Hopefully Immigration has better things to do these days than trying to enforce non-existent laws.

 

It seems odd that the Thai embassy and consulates in Germany would have put such nonsense on their websites when the Foreign Ministry has long posted advice to Thai citizens with dual nationality on how to travel, i.e. use the Thai passport to enter and leave Thailand and the foreign passport for the foreign country.  Could you please post a sample.

As I wrote, the whole thing happened 11 years ago and the laws have changed since then.

My ex-wife showed me the announcement and she was worried for a while, as in the moment, when she would get the German citizenship the local City Hall would cancel the permanent residency for Germany in her Thai passport, as being a German citizen she wouldn't need a visa for Germany anymore.

 

And we were worried, that when she would travel from Thailand to Germany, the officer would check her Thai passport (of course she wouldn't show her German one) and ask her, how she is going to enter Germany without a valid visa.

 

We both made a bit of research.

 

While she found out that many Hi So Thai nationals, the most famous at that time being Mr. Abhisit, had double citizenship, I got the information that the only “authority”, who would check her permission to enter Germany is actually the airline, as they are responsible for that.

 

If they would allow any person on one of their planes who is not allowed to enter the country of destination, they are responsible for getting him back.

 

The officer at the immigration desk does normally not check the visa.

 

As far as I know she never had any issues with that.

[Somjot]

2 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

BTW I looked for information about the announcement that Thais are entitled to retain their Thai citizenship when they naturaluralize as Germans since 2012 but couldn't find anything about that. All I could find was that Swiss and EU nationals resident in Germany are automatically permitted to retain their other nationalities. Do you have a source for this?  I have a Thai friend living and working in Germany who has avoided applying for German nationality because she believes she will be forced to renounce her Thai nationality, which is not an option as she owns Thai land.

 

Admittedly the German nationality law looks set to be changed to permit dual nationality for citizens of most countries to bring Germany into line with most of the rest of the EU which has gradually been removing or reducing restrictions on dual nationality. 

§ 10 Para. 4 (Staatsangehörigkeitsgesetz) states: revoking your foreign citizenship is one of the requirements to get the German one

 

§ 12 quotes a few exceptions from § 10 para.4:

 

Para. 2: the foreign country does not allow revoking the citizenship

 

Para. 5: revoking the foreign citizenship would lead to significant disadvantages concerning the laws of assets / property or economical disadvantages for the foreigner.

 

I think your friend will just have to ask.

 

Sorry for my horrible translation; I am not familiar with "law language".

[onthemoon]

2 hours ago, Somjot said:

§ 10 Para. 4 (Staatsangehörigkeitsgesetz) states: revoking your foreign citizenship is one of the requirements to get the German one

 

§ 12 quotes a few exceptions from § 10 para.4:

 

Para. 2: the foreign country does not allow revoking the citizenship

 

Para. 5: revoking the foreign citizenship would lead to significant disadvantages concerning the laws of assets / property or economical disadvantages for the foreigner.

 

I think your friend will just have to ask.

 

Sorry for my horrible translation; I am not familiar with "law language".

FWIW, I know a few Thai people living in German who got the German citizenship. They also travel back and forth between Thailand and Germany, and they use their Thai passport in Thailand.

 

One of them is currently in Thailand. Let me call her tomorrow and ask whether the German authorities ever asked her to revoke Thai citizenship, and whether the Thai immigrations officers ever mentioned anything when she left/arrived without a valid Schengen visa.

[Arkady]

I was just browsing the British Embassy's website to advise a friend who needs a notarized passport copy (one of the few notary services they still offer) and came across this.

Letter of no objection for a Thai citizenship application

This service is available by post. It costs £75 plus a postage fee of £2.

This letter is for British nationals making an application for Thai citizenship. To apply, follow the instructions in the Application Pack – Thai citizenship letter of no objection (ODT, 22.6 KB).

A letter of no objection seems a far cry from what the MOI seems to want from embassies but, if the Brits have really persuaded them to accept that or left them with little choice, good for them. I wonder what the current version says, as there isn't a copy of the text in the information pack. The original letter, after they stopped doing the affidavits, was a sort of acknowledgement that the person in question was applying for Thai citizenship but pointed out that British citizens can have as many citizenships as they like and the government cannot force them to renounce citizenship.  I guess this is the same in essence as a no objection letter. So the current text may be the same.

 

[qualtrough]

I have a friend who is interested in applying for citizenship. Is the Bangkok application office still the Special Branch office in the police compound at the Rajprasong intersection? Or?

[DrJoy]

On 9/28/2023 at 6:43 PM, qualtrough said:

I have a friend who is interested in applying for citizenship. Is the Bangkok application office still the Special Branch office in the police compound at the Rajprasong intersection? Or?

Special Branch Bureau Building 6, Royal Thai Police,

Rama 1 Rd, Khwaeng Pathum Wan, Khet Pathum Wan, Bangkok 10330

 

 

[qualtrough]

On 9/29/2023 at 10:33 PM, DrJoy said:

Special Branch Bureau Building 6, Royal Thai Police,

Rama 1 Rd, Khwaeng Pathum Wan, Khet Pathum Wan, Bangkok 10330

 

 

Thank you!

[Arkady]

Looking at Anutin's monologues in media about drawing up a hit list of mafiosi appointed for reasons unknown as kamnans and pooyai baan at the Interior Ministry, gun control and other hot button issues,  I found my mind a wandering to what he might do to the citizenship application process, if anything.  The stage is set for him to make major changes, if he has a mind to do so, as a result of the failure of the Prayut government to issue the new ministerial regulations they ordered the ministry to draw up. We will have to see but something tells me that applicants will be better off, if he never turns his attention to this issue during his tenure.

[Marcati]

On 10/5/2023 at 11:36 AM, Arkady said:

Looking at Anutin's monologues in media about drawing up a hit list of mafiosi appointed for reasons unknown as kamnans and pooyai baan at the Interior Ministry, gun control and other hot button issues,  I found my mind a wandering to what he might do to the citizenship application process, if anything.  The stage is set for him to make major changes, if he has a mind to do so, as a result of the failure of the Prayut government to issue the new ministerial regulations they ordered the ministry to draw up. We will have to see but something tells me that applicants will be better off, if he never turns his attention to this issue during his tenure.

I have a very reliable source that has told me candidly that until Thailand can "stabilize" no further applications are going to be approved for the time-being.

[yankee99]

4 hours ago, Marcati said:

I have a very reliable source that has told me candidly that until Thailand can "stabilize" no further applications are going to be approved for the time-being.

"Applications" meaning SB approval or the whole process is on hold?

[Marcati]

5 minutes ago, yankee99 said:

"Applications" meaning SB approval or the whole process is on hold?

Final signatures....

[david143]

one of my friend documents just forwarded yesterday from SB to MOI.
Total 16 male Candidates and they applied in FEB 2023

[JayLeno]

Hi all,

 

I have a question and I was wondering if you could help me. 

I have been employed and working in Thailand since 2015. I lost my job to COVID-19 and was in Thailand on a COVID-19 extension until I found a new job in April 2021. Am I eligible to apply for residency or nationality?

 

Best

Edited October 9, 2023 by JayLeno

[Marcati]

56 minutes ago, JayLeno said:

Hi all,

 

I have a question and I was wondering if you could help me. 

I have been employed and working in Thailand since 2015. I lost my job to COVID-19 and was in Thailand on a COVID-19 extension until I found a new job in April 2021. Am I eligible to apply for residency or nationality?

 

Best

If you continue to maintain your work permit and visa without interruption for 3 years you may qualify for permanent residency; however, there are many other items you need to pass in order to qualify