Requirement for Non O using THB 65,000 transferred monthly

[Presnock]

16 hours ago, SmokeandIce said:

I thought this might be the case.  Many thanks for your input.

Besides having the bank statement of the deposits, and that it is solely your acct letter, I also include the "credit advise" (this is the name by Bangkok Bank) but believe that any bank has the same messages available including my stateside bank.  These are provided monthly and you can get your bank to send them to your email acct each month - they clearly state from what bank where  ever and to which Thai bank the funds were sent.  I also provide the yearly payment by my former office showing that I do get a pension and the amount each month.  Sometimes the IO wants too much documentation so I usually give them a tome to read.  Hope it works out for you.  I have done it this way since they changed a in 2018 and both extensions were done in less than half an hour at immigration.  But, I also do mine at ChiangMai.

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, Presnock said:

I have done it this way since they changed a in 2018 and both extensions were done in less than half an hour at immigration. 

He was trying to apply for a 90 day non-o visa entry at immigration not a extension of stay.

[Tanoshi]

21 minutes ago, Presnock said:

Besides having the bank statement of the deposits, and that it is solely your acct letter, I also include the "credit advise" (this is the name by Bangkok Bank) but believe that any bank has the same messages available including my stateside bank.  These are provided monthly and you can get your bank to send them to your email acct each month - they clearly state from what bank where  ever and to which Thai bank the funds were sent.  I also provide the yearly payment by my former office showing that I do get a pension and the amount each month.  Sometimes the IO wants too much documentation so I usually give them a tome to read.  Hope it works out for you.  I have done it this way since they changed a in 2018 and both extensions were done in less than half an hour at immigration.  But, I also do mine at ChiangMai.

 

Please read the opening post before replying.

18 hours ago, SmokeandIce said:

I went to Chaeng Wattana to convert my visa exempt into a Non O based on being 50 or above and having transferred THB 65,000+ every month for 12 months into a Thai account.

 

[Gilltom]

17 hours ago, KannikaP said:

What do currency fluctuations have to do with transfers whether you do it yourself or use an agent? Unless of course you are paying for the monies to be 'ignored'

Long term cost? I use Wise every month and it is never more than a tenner x 12 = £120 = Bht 5000 ish. An agent's fee?

Your correct they are probably 15.000 /20.000.bt call me tight but for the sake of 1 or 2 hrs i would rather do i my self .we go for the 800 000 thousand in bank much easier 

[Dazinoz]

9 minutes ago, Gilltom said:

Your correct they are probably 15.000 /20.000.bt call me tight but for the sake of 1 or 2 hrs i would rather do i my self .we go for the 800 000 thousand in bank much easier 

You say you are tight but put 800,000 in a Thai bank and get what 1% if lucky. I put my money to better work in Australia so I use the 65k method.

 

Each to his own.

[Colabamumbai]

19 hours ago, KannikaP said:

What do currency fluctuations have to do with transfers whether you do it yourself or use an agent? Unless of course you are paying for the monies to be 'ignored'

Long term cost? I use Wise every month and it is never more than a tenner x 12 = £120 = Bht 5000 ish. An agent's fee?

Wise shows as an internal deposit, not a foreign swift deposit. 

[Tanoshi]

5 minutes ago, Colabamumbai said:

Wise shows as an internal deposit, not a foreign swift deposit. 

Depends what you chose as the 'reason' for transfer and which Thai bank your with.

[Dazinoz]

5 minutes ago, Colabamumbai said:

Wise shows as an internal deposit, not a foreign swift deposit. 

I transfer mine from Australia through Wise and shows as international transfer (FTT). Being doing that a couple years now.

[KannikaP]

21 minutes ago, Colabamumbai said:

Wise shows as an internal deposit, not a foreign swift deposit. 

FTT for me in Bangkok Bank.

[SmokeandIce]

5 hours ago, lopburi3 said:

OP needs to obtain a 90 day non immigrant O visa entry - there is no provision to use monthly income for that without an Embassy letter if using income method.  For extensions of stay the 65k per month is allowed for countries not providing such letters.

I agree with your information but I find fault with Thai Immigration for not having the same requirements for initial Non O as for an extension.  But it is their policy to do as they wish.

[SmokeandIce]

37 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

FTT for me in Bangkok Bank.

Ftt for me as well

[Tanoshi]

1 minute ago, SmokeandIce said:

I agree with your information but I find fault with Thai Immigration for not having the same requirements for initial Non O as for an extension.  But it is their policy to do as they wish.

When certain Embassies stopped issuing the Embassy Income letters, Immigration were forced into amending the then current Police Orders allowing those using the income method to use monthly transfers to a Thai bank account who could now no longer obtain the Embassy Income letters for annual extensions based on retirement and marriage.

 

This was a rather 11th hour rush job by the then senior Immigration official known as 'Big Joke', who was then shortly afterwards removed from his post and transferred to an inactive position.

Nobody every got round to amending the Non O applications, allowing the same method of monthly overseas transfers to a Thai bank as proof of income as an alternative to Embassy Income letters.

 

May I ask, if you've been transferring the required 65K for over 12 months and only just entered VE, what do those transfer amount to. If you have 800K, you may have a case to argue.

[foreverlomsak]

4 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

You don't apply for a Non O each year.

This is about the requirements to apply for a Non O as a prelude to applying for an extension of stay when you entered VE or TV.

Correct you don't, but I would suggest you read the specific post I replied to, it was about annual extensions and changing requirements.

[Tanoshi]

8 minutes ago, foreverlomsak said:

Correct you don't, but I would suggest you read the specific post I replied to, it was about annual extensions and changing requirements.

Yep and his post was completely off topic and misleading to the question at hand, I was just bringing it back on topic.

 

I know, you know, but there are those that believe they actually apply for a new Non O each year, extending the Visa as such, or that non existent retirement Visa, Immigration and agents often refer to.

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, Colabamumbai said:

Wise shows as an internal deposit, not a foreign swift deposit. 

Which Thai bank do you use?

[kg1947]

On 6/4/2021 at 4:03 PM, SmokeandIce said:

Yes.  I just might have to but I believe I have everything in order.  Not clear that her requirements are correct.  Just trying to understand

the advice : USE an agent and pay proper amount ( 1900.- plus agency fee )

don't try to argue or reason with bureaucracy  ... you lose ....

[UKresonant]

But who ever issued that requirements bit of paper, that the OP posted earlier, is suggesting the "proper" amount is 2000 baht (not 1900)....or perhaps they meant 61750 monthly ????

 

Anyway item 6 is clear discrimination, for certain nationalities, that they should be well aware that documentation is no longer possible to obtain! Their discussion with the relative Embassies, a few years ago (2017/18?), likely helped to trigger that service being withdrawn.

Edited June 6, 2021 by UKresonant

[lopburi3]

31 minutes ago, UKresonant said:

But who ever issued that requirements bit of paper, that the OP posted earlier, is suggesting the "proper" amount is 2000 baht (not 1900)....or perhaps they meant 61750 monthly ????

 

Anyway item 6 is clear discrimination, for certain nationalities, that they should be well aware that documentation is no longer possible to obtain! Their discussion with the relative Embassies, a few years ago (2017/18?), likely helped to trigger that service being withdrawn.

As pointed out earlier the proper amount is 2,000 baht for conversion to non immigrant O 90 day entry visa.  1,900 baht is the amount for extensions of stay.  That would have been the next step.

[Tanoshi]

22 hours ago, kg1947 said:

the advice : USE an agent and pay proper amount ( 1900.- plus agency fee )

don't try to argue or reason with bureaucracy  ... you lose ....

1,900 baht is the standard fee for all extensions.

To apply for a 1 year extension based on retirement you must have a Non Imm type Visa (not VE or TV).

 

The OP was applying for the Non Imm O as a prelude to applying for an annual extension.

The fee for the Non Imm O is 2,000 baht.

[earlinclaifornia]

I returned from CM using the 65K deposits and took less than one hour. First I use Bangkok bank NY NY for my SSA deposits.

Second I print out my Benefit letter you can access on line at SSA.gov. Third they attached at the information line the statement about the Embassy's no longer issuing monthly from UK/USA/Australia. Lastly the Bangkok bank letter was duplicated from there attachment.

Edited June 7, 2021 by earlinclaifornia