Thailand reports 2,804 new COVID-19, 18 deaths

[Marvin Hagler]

8 minutes ago, RobMuir said:

I am basing it on real figures.

You are just basing it on your misguided sense of superiority.

 

125,000 verses 1800 now. Six months you think? Delusional.

 

The sad thing about your attitude is it sounds like you would actually be pleased if an extra 120,000 Thais died of this UK variant just so you could be "proved right". 

 

“I am basing it on real fugures”...oh the irony!! 

[Surelynot]

Just been to my usual barber........all bar one of the girls disappeared....very strange.....where are they?

 

Covid field hospital......what??? All have covid......? No........... working there!!! Back next week.

[RR2020]

The mandatory "lock you up for 14 days" if you test positive - will help keep the numbers of people getting tested and therefore being confirmed positive low.

 

People hide their symptoms and lets face it, most people just get a fever and a cough and nothing more and recover quickly.

 

The real extent of Covid in Thailand is being hidden, and that is not a good thing with the Delta variant now spreading.  It will all likely backfire.

[RobMuir]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

indeed, it is very obviously limited targetted testing hence the consistent reported numbers, the UK with similar population were testing 1 million daily

I wouldn't be using the UK as an example how to deal with covid mate.

 

It would be like holding up Thailand as an example for road safety. Which would be insane.

 

Death rate one of the highest in the world and THE highest island in the world, not to mention that the UK variant that has killed hundreds of thousands of people throughout the globe.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

43 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) WHO Thailand Situation Report 170 - 9 April 2021

 

401 cases were linked to entertainment venues clusters in Bangkok (82 Thais, 3 Koreans), Chiang Mai (5 Thais), Chiang Rai (2 Thais), Lampang (1 Thai), Nan (1 Thai), Phisanulok (1 Thai), Phetchabun (2 Thais), Nonthaburi (2 Thais), Pathum Thani (3 Thais), Lopburi (1 Thai), Ratchaburi (1 Thai), Samut Sakhon (3 Thais), Phetchaburi (3 Thais), Kanchanaburi (1 Thai), Prachuab Khirikhan (28 Thais), Chonburi (6 Thais, 1 Japanese), Samut Prakan (31 Thais), Rayong (3 Thais), Chachoengsao (2 Thais), Chantaburi (3 Thais), Trat (1 Thai), Sa Kaew (6 Thais), Samut Songkhram (1 Thai), Khon Kaen (5 Thais), Mahasarakam (1 Thai), Udon Thani (6 Thais), Ubon Ratchathani (6 Thais), Surat Thani (1 Thai), and Phuket (2 Thais).

 Those who came into close contact with entertainment cluster infections: Nonthaburi (3 Thais), Pathum Thani (1 Thai), Ratchaburi (1 Thai), Prachuab Khirikhan (1 Thai), Samut Sakhon (1 Thai), Chonburi (8 Thais), Sa Kaew (5 Thais), Samut Prakan (5 Thais), Chantaburi (1 Thai), Nakhon Ratchasima (4 Thais), Phuket (1 Thai)

 Not linked to entertainment venues clusters: Bangkok (40 Thais, 1 Iraqi, 1 Myanmar national, 1 Lao, 1 French), Chiang Mai (10 Thais), Nakhon Sawan (1 Thai), Nonthaburi (4 Thais, 1 Myanmar national), Pathum Thani (7 Thais), Saraburi (1 Thai), Petchaburi (1 Thai), Khon Kaen (1 Thai), Nakhon Patom (1 Thai), Chonburi (5 Thais, 2 Japanese), Udon Thani (4 Thais), Nakhon Ratchasima (2 Thais), Buriram (8 Thais), Chaiyaphum (2 Thais), Chumpon (4 Thais), Sa Kaew (2 Thais), Samut Sakhon (2 Thais, 3 Myanmar nationals), Samut Prakan (4 Thais), Lopburi (2 Thais), Ratchaburi (2 Thais), Rayong (3 Thais), Surat Thani (3 Thais), Songkhla (5 Thais)

 Under investigation: Bangkok (9 Thais), Chiang Mai (1 Thai), Pathum Thani (1 Thai), Saraburi (1 Thai), Chonburi (5 Thais, 1 Japanese, 1 Chinese), Sa Kaew (3 Thais), Samut Prakan (6 Thais), Chantaburi (1 Thai), Chumpon (1 Thai), Phuket (1 Thai), Songkhla (1 Thai).

• 148 cases identified through active case finding in Bangkok (128 Thais, 1 Lao, 1 Filipino), Chonburi (17 Thais), Prachuab Khirikhan (1 Thai).

• Of the 549 cases acquired in Thailand, 9 were detected in Samut Sakhon, 226 in Bangkok and 274 in other provinces.

 

On April 9, 2021, there were more new cases outside Bangkok. Note this was before Bangkok. And these new cases were not generated on April 9, the people had to be infected some days before April 9.

Mate get a grip, as I already said the outbreak of the UK variant was first detected on the 5th April, it would have been around a few days before that. People traveling from Bangkok to the Provinces would have spread it from then on. The millions who traveled at Songkran lead directly to the major spread.

 

Use a little logic when you try to argue such a simple fact.

 

If you want to use actual numbers then plot them all in chart from the 1st April to middle May and see, not a one day snapshot which is about as useful as your twisted logic

Edited June 13, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, mjnaus said:

 

Does limited testing stop people from dying from the virus? If things were as dramatic as some predicted it would be, the number of deaths would be higher. It's pretty hard hiding large numbers of people dying...

I guess if there was a breakdown of nationalities dying we could have a better idea. I have said before I wonder if the death figures are only Thais. What about the foreign workers. Difficult to believe there have been no deaths from the factory etc. clusters. I have also posted that one of my local temples is taking overflow from BKK. If numbers are as they say then why can't BKK temples handle the cremations? Just a thought.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, mjnaus said:

 

Does limited testing stop people from dying from the virus? If things were as dramatic as some predicted it would be, the number of deaths would be higher. It's pretty hard hiding large numbers of people dying...

"Does limited testing stop people from dying from the virus?"

 

Yes it does, limited testing leads directly to fewer recorded covid deaths, look it up, plenty of examples in other countries of this actual fact.

 

Nobody here is saying there are 1000's of unrecorded deaths daily

[dinsdale]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Lower number today, I hope its nothing to do with a reclassification of how they count their covid deaths as hinted at by CCSA. 18 dead still 18 too many however and 1 more than road deaths yesterday.

 

24 hour road accident report for 12/6/2021: 17 deaths and 1,767 injuries.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1403865457417801728

 

We shall see about any reclassification of deaths tomorrow. A drop of around 50% maybe in one day but if it continues then Prayut has moved the goal posts as he did in the election. If ICU drops 50% then possible but that isn't the case. Good to remember I think that there may be no such thing as prison numbers now if they weren't caught out for their cover up.

[anchadian]

Experts are encountering the problem of low immunity from the Sinovac and AstraZeneca vaccines

 

Thiravat Hemachudha, director of the Health Science Centre of Emerging Diseases at Chulalongkorn University, revealed that many people who had received two doses of the Sinovac vaccine for three to four weeks showed no neutralising antibody, or at only 20-30 per cent.

 

For a vaccine to be effective, the ability to inhibit a virus must be more than 20 per cent to develop immunity.

 

People who are normally vaccinated will have high, mid and low response, but they have to go up. Inactivated vaccines, such as the rabies vaccine, require three injections on day zero, three and seven and begin to see immunity in the blood around day 10 and develop in all people on day 14. Two injections a month apart are assessed at three or four weeks after the second dose. However, there should be a satisfactory level of growth in everyone, he said.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40001978

Edited June 13, 2021 by anchadian

[FarFlungFalang]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Another point in favor of my being single.

Do you mean you handle things single handedly?

[mjnaus]

1 hour ago, Marvin Hagler said:

This has been addressed already in a previous post...keep up.

 

"Addressed" is one way of putting it, I guess... Another would be "mental gymnastics" to make reality fit with your preferred narrative. 

[Dogmatix]

My vaccination appointment at Samitivej Sukhumvit Hosptial tomorrow was abruptly postponed indefinitely this morning on the grounds that they don't have the supply of vaccines from the government.  It turns out that all of the private hospitals in Bangkok have been sending similar messages to patients.  Most have cancelled all appointments from 14 to 20 June and say don't call us, we'll send you an SMS.

 

It is very sad that the big vaccine roll out has already collapsed less then week after it began with great PR fanfare.  The government obviously knew it only had enough vaccines for a few days at the time. 

 

I was booked through Mor Prom as an over 60 and find it particularly galling that many younger people including 20 somethings with no underlying conditions have used connections to jump the queue to get AZ doses last week.  This has even happened at Samitivej.  So the private hospitals have also joined in the corruption.  Now I can no longer get into Mor Prom which was still showing my appointment until yesterday.  It just flickers for a bit and closes. 

 

At this point it is unknown whether the local AZ licensee has merely suffered a temporary production shortfall and will soon catch up or whether it is permanently unable to meet its commitments which would likely derail the government vaccination roll out completely, as well as cause ongoing problems for countries such as the Philippines, Malaysia, Taiwan and Indonesia that have place orders with AZ that were to be supplied from Thailand.  Let's hope it is the former. 

[Bkk Brian]

24 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Experts are encountering the problem of low immunity from the Sinovac and AstraZeneca vaccines

 

Thiravat Hemachudha, director of the Health Science Centre of Emerging Diseases at Chulalongkorn University, revealed that many people who had received two doses of the Sinovac vaccine for three to four weeks showed no neutralising antibody, or at only 20-30 per cent.

 

For a vaccine to be effective, the ability to inhibit a virus must be more than 20 per cent to develop immunity.

 

People who are normally vaccinated will have high, mid and low response, but they have to go up. Inactivated vaccines, such as the rabies vaccine, require three injections on day zero, three and seven and begin to see immunity in the blood around day 10 and develop in all people on day 14. Two injections a month apart are assessed at three or four weeks after the second dose. However, there should be a satisfactory level of growth in everyone, he said.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40001978

Not encouraging news, Sinovac was never tested or trialed with the UK variant, with the original Covid-19 it was the least effective compared to other vaccines so stands to reason that it will also have a lesser effectiveness in the UK strain.

 

I see in that link he is recommending 3 doses.

[dinsdale]

Just now, Dogmatix said:

My vaccination appointment at Samitivej Sukhumvit Hosptial tomorrow was abruptly postponed indefinitely this morning on the grounds that they don't have the supply of vaccines from the government.  It turns out that all of the private hospitals in Bangkok have been sending similar messages to patients.  Most have cancelled all appointments from 14 to 20 June and say don't call us, we'll send you an SMS.

 

It is very sad that the big vaccine roll out has already collapsed less then week after it began with great PR fanfare.  The government obviously knew it only had enough vaccines for a few days at the time. 

 

I was booked through Mor Prom as an over 60 and find it particularly galling that many younger people including 20 somethings with no underlying conditions have used connections to jump the queue to get AZ doses last week.  This has even happened at Samitivej.  So the private hospitals have also joined in the corruption.  Now I can no longer get into Mor Prom which was still showing my appointment until yesterday.  It just flickers for a bit and closes. 

 

At this point it is unknown whether the local AZ licensee has merely suffered a temporary production shortfall and will soon catch up or whether it is permanently unable to meet its commitments which would likely derail the government vaccination roll out completely, as well as cause ongoing problems for countries such as the Philippines, Malaysia, Taiwan and Indonesia that have place orders with AZ that were to be supplied from Thailand.  Let's hope it is the former. 

You my friend are are downright liar. Anutin says this is not the case. I don't understand why people do not believe this government and their leader who recieved zero votes to lead the country. It is disappointing that people think military juntas and their psuedo governments misinform, arrest and disappear those who stand up against them. This is clearly not the case. All is under control. We know this because the megalomaniac PM has said so. ????

[dinsdale]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not encouraging news, Sinovac was never tested or trialed with the UK variant, with the original Covid-19 it was the least effective compared to other vaccines so stands to reason that it will also have a lesser effectiveness in the UK strain.

 

I see in that link he is recommending 3 doses.

There are countries who are giving Pfizer as a 3rd dose.

[Dogmatix]

35 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Experts are encountering the problem of low immunity from the Sinovac and AstraZeneca vaccines

 

Thiravat Hemachudha, director of the Health Science Centre of Emerging Diseases at Chulalongkorn University, revealed that many people who had received two doses of the Sinovac vaccine for three to four weeks showed no neutralising antibody, or at only 20-30 per cent.

 

For a vaccine to be effective, the ability to inhibit a virus must be more than 20 per cent to develop immunity.

 

People who are normally vaccinated will have high, mid and low response, but they have to go up. Inactivated vaccines, such as the rabies vaccine, require three injections on day zero, three and seven and begin to see immunity in the blood around day 10 and develop in all people on day 14. Two injections a month apart are assessed at three or four weeks after the second dose. However, there should be a satisfactory level of growth in everyone, he said.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40001978

 

Other countries that relied on Sinovac and Sinopharm have already found out that they don't work very well and AZ is just one or two rungs above them on the ladder.  The Seychelles (Sinopharm) , Chile (Sinovac) and Bahrein have all reported lower efficacy than expected from the Chinese vaccines and Bahrein is now revaccinating with Moderna, having relied previously on Sinopharm.    

 

The big problem is going to be that Thailand has relied exclusively on Sinovac to vaccinate front line medical staff who are likely to be almost completely unprotected from the Indian variant.  Two doses of AZ were found in the UK to be only 33% effective against the Indian variant.  So the Chinese vaccines are likely to be much less to teh point of being virtually useless.

[FarFlungFalang]

3 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

 

Other countries that relied on Sinovac and Sinopharm have already found out that they don't work very well and AZ is just one or two rungs above them on the ladder.  The Seychelles (Sinopharm) , Chile (Sinovac) and Bahrein have all reported lower efficacy than expected from the Chinese vaccines and Bahrein is now revaccinating with Moderna, having relied previously on Sinopharm.    

 

The big problem is going to be that Thailand has relied exclusively on Sinovac to vaccinate front line medical staff who are likely to be almost completely unprotected from the Indian variant.  Two doses of AZ were found in the UK to be only 33% effective against the Indian variant.  So the Chinese vaccines are likely to be much less to teh point of being virtually useless.

How hard would it be for some unscrupulous types to water (saline) down the drugs they are selling.Isn't that part and parcel for the drug world?

[Rhacsyn]

The link below from the UK suggests that 1 in 25 new infections are people who have had two vaccinations.  Unfortunately it does not refer to the more important number which is hospitalizations and deaths.  I guess this will follow soon along with reference to vaccine type and reports from other countries. The link serves for reference purposes only and not to open a debate. The maths in the link is questionable and barbers are now open in UK.

 

Using the analysis in the link, and If Phuket opening does go ahead then may be that would be an indication of how far the virus may have spread in the population on the island. If 1 in 25 or more returnees or tourists get infected during their initial stay, I would expect to hear as it is compulsory testing prior to travel and twice during the 14 day stay. I respect the incubation time for Covid so a negative test prior to travel is not all definitive. Anyway just a thought.

 

Having travelled and been vaccinated I hope to return to Phuket soon......

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-latest-figures-are-evidence-of-third-wave-of-coronavirus-says-former-govt-scientific-adviser-12326812

[placeholder]

17 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

 

Other countries that relied on Sinovac and Sinopharm have already found out that they don't work very well and AZ is just one or two rungs above them on the ladder.  The Seychelles (Sinopharm) , Chile (Sinovac) and Bahrein have all reported lower efficacy than expected from the Chinese vaccines and Bahrein is now revaccinating with Moderna, having relied previously on Sinopharm.    

 

The big problem is going to be that Thailand has relied exclusively on Sinovac to vaccinate front line medical staff who are likely to be almost completely unprotected from the Indian variant.  Two doses of AZ were found in the UK to be only 33% effective against the Indian variant.  So the Chinese vaccines are likely to be much less to teh point of being virtually useless.

Actually, they reported that they work very well against severe infection, hospitalization, and death. Not so well against mild infections.

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, Rhacsyn said:

The link below from the UK suggests that 1 in 25 new infections are people who have had two vaccinations.  Unfortunately it does not refer to the more important number which is hospitalizations and deaths.  I guess this will follow soon along with reference to vaccine type and reports from other countries. The link serves for reference purposes only and not to open a debate. The maths in the link is questionable and barbers are now open in UK.

 

Using the analysis in the link, and If Phuket opening does go ahead then may be that would be an indication of how far the virus may have spread in the population on the island. If 1 in 25 or more returnees or tourists get infected during their initial stay, I would expect to hear as it is compulsory testing prior to travel and twice during the 14 day stay. I respect the incubation time for Covid so a negative test prior to travel is not all definitive. Anyway just a thought.

 

Having travelled and been vaccinated I hope to return to Phuket soon......

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-latest-figures-are-evidence-of-third-wave-of-coronavirus-says-former-govt-scientific-adviser-12326812

We do know that hospitalizations and deaths have plummeted in the UK. Given the extensive vaccinations already administered, it's pretty clear that the vaccines drastically reduce hospitalizations and deaths.

[daveAustin]

4 hours ago, Marvin Hagler said:

If they tested the same as other countries then they would find the same number of cases as other countries. Don’t test, don’t find.

Bingo. I don’t understand why people of this forum don’t get it. Test 20,000 per day you get around 2,000 infections. Test one million people per day what do you get? The same seems to be the general consensus here. Folk are either thick or in denial. 

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Bingo. I don’t understand why people of this forum don’t get it. Test 20,000 per day you get around 2,000 infections. Test one million people per day what do you get? The same seems to be the general consensus here. Folk are either thick or in denial. 

If random testing is done via a sufficiently large and representative sample, you don't need to test huge amounts of people.

[Petey11]

3 hours ago, RobMuir said:

Oh, ok, seems to be working well with less than 2,000 dead.

And all those tests have killed 125,000+ in the UK.

 

 

If someone dies at home out in the provinces is a doctor called to certify death, are the police called to rule out foul play. If someone dies and has not been tested for covid but has pneumonia symptoms does it go down as pneumonia or covid?

[rabas]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not encouraging news, Sinovac was never tested or trialed with the UK variant, with the original Covid-19 it was the least effective compared to other vaccines so stands to reason that it will also have a lesser effectiveness in the UK strain.

 

I see in that link he is recommending 3 doses.

 

This is even worse. They can't even see antibodies in the blood that should be there well after your second vaccination. Nothing to do with variants, more like the vaccine is just not working.

 

Edited June 13, 2021 by rabas

[Bkk Brian]

Thailand’s Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul has denied that the Public Health Ministry has anything to do with the postponement of vaccination appointments, scheduled for this week, by numerous private and state hospitals and health centres in Bangkok and other provinces.

 

Meanwhile, the BMA’s Health Office has announced that its 11 hospitals have decided to postpone the appointments, made for June 14th -17th for the first doses, until further notice, as it waits for vaccine supplies from the Public Health Ministry.

The 11 hospitals include Central Hospital, Taksin Hospital, Charoenkrung Pracharak Hospital, Luangpor Thaveesak Hospital, Vechkaroonrat Hospital, Lat Krabang Hospital, Rajpipat Hospital, Sirindhorn Hospital, Bang Khun Thian Hospital for the Elderly, Khlong Samwa Hospital and Bang Na Hospital.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/anutin-denies-responsibility-for-continuing-vaccination-appointment-postponements/

[david2923]

18  /  2804  =  .6%

 

100%  -  .6%  =  99.4% survival rate

[riparian]

 

Domestic Covid-29 cases by region & province, 1st April 2021 - 24th May 2021

Excludes prisons

Scales are different

Figures from daily reports

 

 

 

 

Edited June 13, 2021 by riparian

[Petey11]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

If random testing is done via a sufficiently large and representative sample, you don't need to test huge amounts of people.

Think that's most of thailands proactive testing is aimed at cluster areas which have been identified through hospital walk -in, therefore they are always chasing clusters after they have formed, by which time the infection has already spread substantially.

[Bkk Brian]

57 minutes ago, riparian said:

 

Domestic Covid-29 cases by region & province, 1st April 2021 - 24th May 2021

Excludes prisons

Scales are different

Figures from daily reports

 

 

 

 

Thanks for that, apparently some people think the UK variant is so elusive that it can spread through Thailand via the wind and not people traveling by their millions

[Marvin Hagler]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thailand’s Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul has denied that the Public Health Ministry has anything to do with the postponement of vaccination appointments, scheduled for this week, by numerous private and state hospitals and health centres in Bangkok and other provinces.

 

Meanwhile, the BMA’s Health Office has announced that its 11 hospitals have decided to postpone the appointments, made for June 14th -17th for the first doses, until further notice, as it waits for vaccine supplies from the Public Health Ministry.

The 11 hospitals include Central Hospital, Taksin Hospital, Charoenkrung Pracharak Hospital, Luangpor Thaveesak Hospital, Vechkaroonrat Hospital, Lat Krabang Hospital, Rajpipat Hospital, Sirindhorn Hospital, Bang Khun Thian Hospital for the Elderly, Khlong Samwa Hospital and Bang Na Hospital.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/anutin-denies-responsibility-for-continuing-vaccination-appointment-postponements/

Mark my words, things are about to get extremely messy...the normally docile population are seeing right through the lies now.

 

Mark my words that this week Doctors will stand en masse and say it how it is which is that they have stopped doing vaccines because supplies have run out.

 

This could easily spill over into chaos in the government (it already has). This whole charade of a government is on its last legs.

 

Watch the Doctors all come out this week with the truth...they don’t want to lose face over this with Anutin trying to put all the blame on them.