Reopening bars: People drinking alcohol are difficult to control and risk spreading virus

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

well, yes. actually alcohol and cigarettes kill off far more people than any pandemic and should logically be banned as poisons,like hard drugs, but are tolerated for massive tax revenues.

conversely hard drugs are banned but should by same poison tax revenue logic be legalized , 

then controlled and taxed by govts., with most organized crime & massive national addict medical burden instantly gone..savings could fund universal income benefit thus cancelling poverty......

making too much sense for “political” humans though........ so again, what needs to be done, will never get done.......unless a motivated all-powerful benevolent “Dr. Manhattan” superhero type shows up......

[spidermike007]

Dr Aphisamai Srirangsan is a puritanical nutter. There is no reason why this should apply to restaurants. Smaller pubs too. I get the restrictions on nightclubs. But otherwise, let the people blow off some steam and have some fun. 

 

Next, they will outlaw fun. 

 

What is more difficult to control are spectacularly incompetent health and tourism ministers and PM's. 

[ukrules]

8 hours ago, DLock said:

 

That just changed today. Restaurants can now serve alcohol.

 

That will enflame things even further...

Yes, it will.

 

Of course when anything happens they do their best to cover it up and don't often name the places where these little outbreaks happen, they might get a mention on a timeline which is published but that's about it.

 

When a COVID case is detected and spreads in an establishment they close it for two weeks. By this I mean that the staff who work there begin to test positive.

 

Recently in the area where I live which is very quiet and there's hardly anyone here, somebody infected with COVID from one of the food canning factories visited a restaurant which will remain nameless as what happened next hasn't been published.

 

Staff contracted COVID from the infected customer, the place was closed down for at least two weeks after this incident and I haven't heard if it's reopened yet, mostly because I don't care and haven't bothered to find out.

 

When a place suddenly announces that it's closing down you likely won't be told the exact reason but there's a fair chance that anything that suddenly closes is due to an outbreak among the staff.

 

This will continue into next year. The more places that reopen and the more customers there are, the more it will happen.

Edited June 22, 2021 by ukrules

[flyfrog]

Really? Well then stop selling alcohol in 7-11 and other supermarkets as well????its a start????

[Formaleins]

2 hours ago, Dart12 said:

None of these regulations are being enacted to stop a disease  where  only 1,500 people had it in their system (most with other health concerns) out of 500,000 deaths from a population of 72 million.  

More people died on their way to the mailbox in this time.

 

And they are fabricating the statistics! My mother died last May from terminal throat cancer, but the death certificate included Covid 19! I spoke to her for two weeks after she was admitted to a hospice after her so called Covid positive test and she said she had absolutely no problem from Covid, only cancer. No one was allowed to touch her or hold her to say their goodbyes, only my brother managed to get in for 30 minutes wearing some sort of Personal Protection <deleted>, distanced about 2 metres away wearing visors and gowns.....disgusting, your own Mother! These swine have dug themselves a hole they dare not back out of, or they will be lynched for what they have done. About time people stood up and said enough is enough.

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22 minutes ago, Formaleins said:

You will be branded an evil fascist for daring to share that rather logical, sensible opinion. I cannot believe the entire World has been conned into this ridiculous Covid fear mongering garbage, the only deadly pandemic where 99.9% recover and most of the deaths are from over 80's with underlying conditions..... something really smells fishy don't you think? I imagine the drug companies are not making a bean from this gift of the century.

 

In a year they have destroyed millions of lives, turned the government (elected by the people) into a dictatorship and the police into nothing more than a bunch of fascist thugs! What I cannot believe is how people have allowed this to continue.

I thought most people had more of a spine than they actually do, there should have been burning down of parliament by now in any democratic country.

 

The politicians should be weighing down every lamposts from the nooses around their filthy corrupt necks.

I don't know what "logical and sensible" have to do with falsehoods. It's absolutely untrue that the Covid 19 virus hasn't been isolated.

And what century are you and Talahtnut living in? Since when don't doctors do tests to determine what diseases you are afflicted with?

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3 minutes ago, Formaleins said:

And they are fabricating the statistics! My mother died last May from terminal throat cancer, but the death certificate included Covid 19! I spoke to her for two weeks after she was admitted to a hospice after her so called Covid positive test and she said she had absolutely no problem from Covid, only cancer. No one was allowed to touch her or hold her to say their goodbyes, only my brother managed to get in for 30 minutes wearing some sort of Personal Protection <deleted>, distanced about 2 metres away wearing visors and gowns.....disgusting, your own Mother! These swine have dug themselves a hole they dare not back out of, or they will be lynched for what they have done. About time people stood up and said enough is enough.

Once again, someone, in this case namely you, is confusing comorbidities with causation. Every person who dies in a country with serious public health requirements gets listed with any comorbidity they may have had when dying. If someone died from cancer but had a strep throat when they died, that gets listed as a comorbidity. It isn't meant to mean that the cancer patient died from strep throat.

[robblok]

1 hour ago, talahtnut said:

CV19 has never even been isolated, and 40 cycles of amplification gives

as many false positives as the oligarchs want in order to mess up ordinary

folks lives.  Funny that Covid is so deadly that you need a test to see if you

have it, and a vaccine that you have to be coerced to take.

Do i need to buy some tinfoil for you. Aids is deadly too and at the beginning you don't know that you have it. You need to test. So what exactly are you trying to prove with your remark when linking deadliness with having to test to detect it ?

 

 

[aussienam]

4 hours ago, perryjr2 said:

Bars could open if they can somehow ensure customers have been vaccinated, right?

Makes sense when eventually there are enough vaccinated.  Eventually people will have to come out from under their beds and accept COVID is definitely here to stay, will keep mutating and kill a very small percentage of people.  The recent delta variant won't be the last.  

Vaccines are the only thing we have to mitigate the threat.

Perpetually keeping places locked down etc is just going to mentally and financially screw up many people's lives in Thailand and many other places around the world.  

Until the vaccines are distributed widely enough here, the government should be providing adequate financial relief to bar owners  and their staff (as in other countries). Problem of course are the tax evaders and corruption.  So probably will not happen.  Keeping the bars shut is already sending many broke.  This is causing a monopoly of wealthy buying up bars in the meantime, who can take advantage of this rare opportunity.  Like the Lengkee conglomerate in Pattaya. Like the Nightwish Group and others.  

[metisdead]

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[ChipButty]

I have always been worried about the local markets I dont use them bye the way but 2 have been closed down where I live for a week, I heard it yesterday so I usually drive by them everyday one of them mentioned was closed today lets see tomorrow if the other one is closed, 

 

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31 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Dr Aphisamai Srirangsan is a puritanical nutter. There is no reason why this should apply to restaurants. Smaller pubs too. I get the restrictions on nightclubs. But otherwise, let the people blow off some steam and have some fun. 

 

Next, they will outlaw fun. 

 

What is more difficult to control are spectacularly incompetent health and tourism ministers and PM's. 

And why is it so much fun to imbibe alcoholic drinks? Is it because of their delicious flavors?

[connda]

Oppsy!  Floodgates just opened.  Tourists need to be allowed to 'water' at 'the wotering-hole" or else there isn't going to be any tourists.  Sorry Dr Aphisamai, but keep trying.  The authoritarians in Thailand tend to Flip-Flop so perhaps you can get them to shut the alcohol spigot off at restaurants.
Flip-Flop, Flip-Flop
Now there's alcohol,
And then there's not.

 

 

 

[jack71]

8 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

The days of mass tourism for families from Europe, Chinese tour groups and other similar demographics are all over for the foreseeable

come on mate.... I bet by the year end Pattaya will be full of chinese tour groups. The chinese plague will all be over. Mass vacinnations globally. This <deleted> show is over soon. 

[elliss]

9 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

That's true, the actions of some members of this government in frequenting hi-so brothels in Thong Lor then running away and denying responsibility in particular...

 

 Hi-So, brothels , are reserved for the Establishment ..

  Joe Public , on your bike .

[elliss]

26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And why is it so much fun to imbibe alcoholic drinks? Is it because of their delicious flavors?

 

              They are Kindlers .?

                The New World..

                 Age of boredom , has arrived ..555

[Panadadad]

So they finally admit it’s all about controlling the minions

[tgw]

1 minute ago, Panadadad said:

So they finally admit it’s all about controlling the minions

 

it's an exercise of finding an alibi.

 

alcohol serves as an alibi for stupid behavior.

[sabai-dee-man]

9 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Fly half way round the world to drink in a hotel room? Sounds awesome.

 

Fly halfway around the world just for a drink?! Sounds desperate! ????????????

[elliss]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Next, they will outlaw fun. 

 

 

    The ex - sex pat , righteous brigade ,

       will be highly delighted ...555

[thailand49]

10 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

Government Officials are the most 'difficult to control' but they let them out every day !

Thumbs up on that one!  They turn a blind eye at their borders for the illegal migrants then party it up in a private event in Bangkok, then while it was spreading got up on their soapbox and said " travel for Songkran is on " result current outbreak! ????

 

I don't touch the spirits never felt it was necessary to enjoy or have a good time open the clubs all of them I promise to just look.????

Edited June 22, 2021 by thailand49

[impulse]

10 hours ago, jacko45k said:

She is not wrong...

 

Maybe.  Maybe not.  But she's sure easier to look at than those other guys.

[fleccer]

That's right: people have this bad habit of socializing, making friendship and being together. And obviously the virus takes advantage of it, since it is well known that even the virus likes alcohol and drinking in company. 

[shdmn]

Banning alcohol sales is one of the dumber things I have seen done during this pandemic. If there was ever a time people could use a drink it's now.  In Canada, they declared liquor stores essential services.

 

Yes, I know Thailand is talking about bars and not liquor sales specifically, at least not yet.  However, in places like the Philippines they actually banned all liquor sales in some regions.  So stupid.

Edited June 22, 2021 by shdmn

[brucegoniners]

Oh yes. They'll no doubt run around the bar and kiss everyone...

[WebGuy]

Just focus on vaccinating the population guys. That's the priority.

[Harry Fingerling]

Government is quick to blame The people when the sole problem has been their making from day one. General knee Jerk quick at first to blame the dirty Ferang then close all the bars putting 100’s of 1000’s out of work.

 

vaccine administration is nothing less than appalling and Thailand now officially is the suicide capital of Southern Asia.

perhaps a uniform change to cowboys would be applicable. 

[Mayhem11]

A wowser is an ineffably pious person who mistakes this world for a penitentiary and himself for a warder. It is unbelievable how many old gents are wowsers out there. Go read your New Testament my friends about the issue of shutting the <deleted> up.

[ukrules]

4 hours ago, robblok said:

So with no income but rents your probably not making a profit so the years company tax will be less or none at all. 

 

Those greedy accountants will still get their share won't they? ????

Edited June 22, 2021 by ukrules

[shdmn]

1 hour ago, Harry Fingerling said:

Government is quick to blame The people when the sole problem has been their making from day one. General knee Jerk quick at first to blame the dirty Ferang then close all the bars putting 100’s of 1000’s out of work.

 

vaccine administration is nothing less than appalling and Thailand now officially is the suicide capital of Southern Asia.

perhaps a uniform change to cowboys would be applicable. 

Gonna need a source on that or are you are just pulling it out of thin air thinking it makes your arm flailing rant sound more 'official'?

Edited June 22, 2021 by shdmn