Delta variant to replace Alpha strain globally in next 4-5 months – Dr. Yong Poovorawan

[Stargeezr]

I heard that India has a new Delta Plus variant. Is this the one where the delta variant mingled with the Gamma or 

Brazil variant, and will be another tough virus. I hope the present vaccines will be able to keep these new variants

under control as well.  This pandemic, just does not seem to want to stop yet.

Geezer

[Taboo2]

Alpha and Delta are not your problem....BETA is your problem....look it up!

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6 hours ago, Taboo2 said:

Alpha and Delta are not your problem....BETA is your problem....look it up!

Because the source is too dodgy to post a link to it on thaivisa?

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On 6/23/2021 at 3:36 AM, RichardColeman said:

The UK has been lucky in that the vaccine program has been rolled out far enough that the Indian variant wont effect us as much as it did India. 

 

if the Indian variant gets in Thailand in mass now before further vaccine roll out - or even with a 3% efficacy vaccine first jab - the mess will like Brutus being pumped after Popeye had eaten his tin of spinach !

Et tu, Bluto?

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16 hours ago, smedly said:

fully aware of that and have been saying it for over a year 

 

it is not in their interests to disclose the true infection spread but it is in the interests of the people to know

 

Not sure what their daily testing capacity limit is but I don't think it is much betond 15k a day 

 

The first thing the UK did last year was ramp up testing capacity reaching a level of 1 million tests a day 

 

I posed a hypothetical question on here a couple of weeks ago 

 

If Thailand tested every single person in the country tomorrow - how many infected would they find and if they did the same for antibody tests how many would be positive already having been infected - now that would be interesting and very useful

The lack of available hospital beds in Bangkok tells us that it's getting a lot worse very quickly.

[CharlieH]

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[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, Taboo2 said:

Alpha and Delta are not your problem....BETA is your problem....look it up!

Over 600 cases and counting of Beta in Thailand now. Worrying indeed.

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1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Over 600 cases and counting of Beta in Thailand now. Worrying indeed.

I agree that it's worrying. But Taboo seems to assert that Beta is more threatening than Delta. What evidence is there for that?

[jacko45k]

Just now, placeholder said:

I agree that it's worrying. But Taboo seems to assert that Beta is more threatening than Delta. What evidence is there for that?

It did not seem to 'take over' or cause excess damage in the UK, Delta soon became 95% of the problem there. No need to suppose it would be different here..... anybody know why?

[Bkk Brian]

42 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I agree that it's worrying. But Taboo seems to assert that Beta is more threatening than Delta. What evidence is there for that?

It is more threatening than Delta regards vaccine effectiveness and efficacy. Considering Thailand's main stay will be Astra Zeneca

 

The study, which was based people of an average age of 31, shows that protection may be as low as 10%. The research wasn’t able to determine whether it protects against serious illness or hospitalisation, because this group of people were at low risk of serious illness. Other research suggests that the vaccine is still likely to reduce severe cases and deaths from the B.1.351 strain. More research is needed in this area.

 

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/covid-variant

 

Thailand's Dr Yong also said that the Sinovac is 70% less against Beta

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7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

It is more threatening than Delta regards vaccine effectiveness and efficacy. Considering Thailand's main stay will be Astra Zeneca

 

The study, which was based people of an average age of 31, shows that protection may be as low as 10%. The research wasn’t able to determine whether it protects against serious illness or hospitalisation, because this group of people were at low risk of serious illness. Other research suggests that the vaccine is still likely to reduce severe cases and deaths from the B.1.351 strain. More research is needed in this area.

 

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/covid-variant

 

Thailand's Dr Yong also said that the Sinovac is 70% less against Beta

But Delta is more contagious. So while on an individual basis beta may be more resistant to vaccines, on a public health basis, delta is the strain that's overwhelmingly likely to far outcompete beta.

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But Delta is more contagious. So while on an individual basis beta may be more resistant to vaccines, on a public health basis, delta is the strain that's overwhelmingly likely to far outcompete beta.

Lets hope so, its spread to 12 provinces so far including up north

[aussienam]

Yep, do not expect any bars or clubs to open for another couple of months.  I am assuming another hard lockdown again, or two or three for the current strains.  

 

There will be variants coming after this.  That is a sure thing.  This thing mutates as it is designed to, so as to survive and thrive.  Either we get up to having vaccination benchmarks for vast the majority of countries (China, North Korea and other rogue States wont give a damn what we want), or get used to this for many years to come.  Lots and lots of vacant real estate coming.  Tourist towns are going to be decimated. Maybe to be converted into something else eventually.

 

Once the countries around the globe have sorted their populations out and vaccinated the benchmark % deemed acceptable, then life will 'normalise' to a certain degree. 

 

But new strains of COVID will prove vaccine resistant and then 'here we go again' - lockdowns and trying to get the population vaccinated again and again and again and again .....  

This is going to last decades.  Tourism and freedom of movement will never be the same for current generations. 

 

All we need is a brand new novel Coronavirus that does not relate to this variant and that will be the final nail in the coffin.  Gain of function testing in laboratories on bat viruses (such as what was happening in Wuhan) is just asking for trouble.  Then of course there are the lower chances of zoonotic transmissions as well from the wild with exotic species consumption and expansion into their habitats.  

 

It will happen.  This is just the beginning of very terrible, isolated, highly stressful and a low quality life for future generations.   Civil unrest, and war is already brewing around the world.  Glad I have only a few decades left at the most to live.  

Edited June 24, 2021 by aussienam

[Marco100]

On 6/23/2021 at 8:07 AM, DrJack54 said:

Today 3174 new case. 

And tested how many ?

[Anton9]

Should we triple mask now?

 

[rabang]

If people weren't paying such close attention to these Greek alphabets 99% of them would hardly notice anything weird going on but now they have been conditioned to stress over these language classes, losing their mental and physical health and often their work as well in the process.