Thailand reports 4,662 new COVID-19 cases, 36 more deaths

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

2000 moderately to seriously ill patients were released TODAY?

 

can you substantiate that?

2,793 people were released from medical care, that’s all I know.

 

I am sure of only 36 beds in Covid wards that are now available.

Edited June 29, 2021 by Danderman123

[wensiensheng]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Old news, its 80% now......????

 

Phuket marks 14 COVID infections in past week, vaccinations hit 80%

Jeez, I can’t keep up with these guys. They are on fire!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

26 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Old news, its 80% now......????

 

Phuket marks 14 COVID infections in past week, vaccinations hit 80%

 

They're playing games with the way they're reporting their vaccination stats, as the article you linked to explains:

 

"The Phuket office of the Public Relations Department (PR Phuket) has reported that as of yesterday (June 28) 80% of the target 466,587 people in Phuket to be vaccinated have received at least one vaccination injection.

 

The report for yesterday marked that 374,631 had received one vaccination injection and that 298,320 people in Phuket had received two vaccination injections (64% of the 466,587 target).

 

The target of 466,587 people in Phuket to be vaccinated has long been reported by officials as 70% of the island’s full population, which must be vaccinated in order to achieve herd immunity, and has been marked as a critical requirement for reopening the island to receiving foreign tourists on July 1, though no officials have been emphasising that point in the past few days."

 

A Ministry of Public Health report in TH that I saw a few days ago said that as of June 24th, about 50%  (272,999) of Phuket's population had been fully vaccinated, and 64% (349,564) had received just one shot. Presumably, the real numbers have gone up some in the ensuing few days.

 

But they're nowhere near having 70% of the provinces population FULLY vaccinated, meaning two shots.

 

 

Edited June 29, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[wensiensheng]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

2,793 people were released from medical care, that’s all I know.

Seems a big number for moderately to seriously ill people. Does it include people released from field hospitals? 
 

in which case it doesn’t have such a big impact on the number of beds needed for moderately to seriously ill patients. But I don’t know what’s included in that 2,793 number either.

[wensiensheng]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

They're playing games with the way they're reporting their vaccination states, as the article you linked to explains:

 

"The Phuket office of the Public Relations Department (PR Phuket) has reported that as of yesterday (June 28) 80% of the target 466,587 people in Phuket to be vaccinated have received at least one vaccination injection.

 

The report for yesterday marked that 374,631 had received one vaccination injection and that 298,320 people in Phuket had received two vaccination injections (64% of the 466,587 target).

 

The target of 466,587 people in Phuket to be vaccinated has long been reported by officials as 70% of the island’s full population, which must be vaccinated in order to achieve herd immunity, and has been marked as a critical requirement for reopening the island to receiving foreign tourists on July 1, though no officials have been emphasising that point in the past few days."

 

A Ministry of Public Health report in TH that I saw a few days ago said that as of June 24th, about 50% of Phuket's population had been fully vaccinated, and 64% had received just one shot. Presumably, the real numbers have gone up some in the ensuing few days.

 

But they're nowhere near having 70% of the provinces population FULLY vaccinated, meaning two shots.

 

 

Yup, we’re just kidding around.
 

The population of Phuket is way more than the thai folks registered as living here anyway. It’s all a sham.

[RichardColeman]

According worldometer Thailand critical has gone up from 1400 to 1800 in 3-4 days.

 

What's that ? About a 30% increase in their critical figures ? With extremely limited ICU beds deaths will be soaring in the next few weeks

[Neeranam]

25 minutes ago, rabas said:

mRNA technology and vaccines have a long history.

 

1. First invention and studies on mRNA vaccines are from Vical, a US biotech start up. Robert Malone's name is on several early papers.

 

2. Much of the patented technology was developed by Prof Drew Weissman and a Hungarian biochemist Katalin Karikó who started working together on a vaccine at Penn State in the US. Their work is patented and licensed to Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna.

 

3. Pfizer is an American company founded by a German run by a Turk. BioNTech (A Turkish woman and German) developed the vaccine now sold by Pfizer using  Weissman's and Karikó's patents.

 

4. Stanford and Harvard stem cell biologist Derrick Rossi (a Canadian of Maltese decent) recognized the importance of Weissman's and Karikó's work and founded Moderna in 2010.

 

All the mRNA vaccines license Canadian technology for the little lipid 'fat' balls that deliver mRNA into your cells.

 

Oh, and Thailand. Drew Weissman is now working with Chulalongkorn on a new mRNA vaccine. I suspect Drew is interested in trying out some new ideas.

Like most things in medicine, they would not be possible without Scotland. 

 

Vaccines would not  be possible without the hypodermic syringe, invented by Alexander Wood.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_inventions_and_discoveries

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just now, wensiensheng said:

Yup, we’re just kidding around.
 

The population of Phuket is way more than the thai folks registered as living here anyway. It’s all a sham.

 

FWIW, the MoPH report I saw that broke down vaccination rates by various provinces listed the population of Phuket province as 547,584...  So that's the figure the central government at least is using as their basis for vaccination rate reporting...

 

[Bkk Brian]

What dangers come with Beta, Bangkok’s latest COVID variant?

 

First detected in South Africa late last year, the Beta variant – also known as B1.351 – blunts the efficacy of most COVID-19 vaccines. In clinical trials, two doses of AstraZeneca vaccine proved to be only 10.4 per cent effective in preventing mild to moderate B1.351 infections.

 

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/what-dangers-come-with-beta-bangkoks-latest-covid-variant/

Edited June 29, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[jacko45k]

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Vaccines would not  be possible without the hypodermic syringe, invented by Alexander Wood.

Scattered around the back alleys of Glasgow in appreciation.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Today's COVID tally:

 

47,481 COVID cases in various kinds of hospital facilities, including 20,732 in traditional hospital beds.

 

1,846 COVID patients in serious/critical condition, and 527 of those on ventilators

 

(screen cap from the government's news briefing today)

 

[FarFlungFalang]

41 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

At most 10% of those will ever require actual medical intervention because of their virus infection so only 466 beds will actually be necessary sometime down the road.

What you say is true but someone's health doesn't come into it as the Thai administration have mandated that positive cases are to be hospitalised/quarantined.They have recently began allow some of the less affected to wait at home until a bed becomes available.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

From today's government briefing:

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/posts/354163219535342

 

[Danderman123]

2 cases in Loei, not 5.

the rumor of the 5 new cases that came from BKK yesterday was just a rumor.

[wensiensheng]

19 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

FWIW, the MoPH report I saw that broke down vaccination rates by various provinces listed the population of Phuket province as 547,584...  So that's the figure the central government at least is using as their basis for vaccination rate reporting...

 

I think I read that figure is taken from the last census.
 

During normal times it causes some angst with the Phuket authorities because they always claim that the actual population of the island is far more due to seasonal workers and workers who are here full time but remain registered in their home towns. Like my wife for instance.

 

Phukets argument during normal times was that the island should be allocated a bigger amount of money from the central budget because the population was more than the official numbers showed. One year they even had a “registration drive” trying to persuade people to change the registration in their books, to Phuket. There was a mobile unit that drove around the island.

 

of course times change. Now the census figure is just fine. ????

 

to be fair, a lot of people have gone back to their provinces, but they are still a lot of migrant workers and Thai’s who are here full time but not registered here.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And my annotated version of the daily COVID cases chart, showing the trend lines since the start of June... for the blue segment of self-reported cases, and the blue and yellow sections combined reflecting all the general population cases.

 

[Danderman123]

Of course, the blue bars representing hospitals walk-in cases portend higher infections ahead.

 

Although 4,000 may be the cap on such cases.

[ThailandRyan]

52 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Again, some 2000+ people were released from treatment today, so some beds are available.

 

You can quibble that free beds are occupied immediately, but your post implies that 4,000 newly infected people are all without beds.

You forget about those that have been waiting at home to be taken to a hospital by ambulance as there were no beds available, so the same scenario will play out over and over again as it appears the hospitals are at or near capacity.

[ThailandRyan]

57 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Old news, its 80% now......????

 

Phuket marks 14 COVID infections in past week, vaccinations hit 80%

If they hit 20 tomorrow will they cancel the sandbox at the last minute?

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

If they hit 20 tomorrow will they cancel the sandbox at the last minute?

Impossible because Phuket will be 100% fully vaccinated by tomorrow ????

Edited June 29, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[Lemonltr]

4 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

So in comparison the AZ vaccine is a B list celebrity or Pornstar, while the Others are A-listers and no wonder why the Hi-So's flew to the US to get vaccinated just like many of the doctors here I know.

The AZ vaccine wasn't part of the survey. It may be just as effective in producing Tcells. 

[ThailandRyan]

55 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

50%  (272,999) of Phuket's population had been fully vaccinated, and 64% (349,564)

Math has never been my specialty but if 50% have received both vaccines and 64% received just one, how can Phuket's population have 114% of its people as I always thought 100% was the max you could have....so confused.  I would think that if 64% had only one jab then only 36% would have both vaccinations.  Someone's fudging with numbers TAT style.

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49 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What dangers come with Beta, Bangkok’s latest COVID variant?

 

First detected in South Africa late last year, the Beta variant – also known as B1.351 – blunts the efficacy of most COVID-19 vaccines. In clinical trials, two doses of AstraZeneca vaccine proved to be only 10.4 per cent effective in preventing mild to moderate B1.351 infections.

 

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/what-dangers-come-with-beta-bangkoks-latest-covid-variant/

You failed to note that the article also said that the beta variant is less transmissible than the alpha or Delta variant. Also that it's the least dangerous of the three.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, wensiensheng said:

2000 moderately to seriously ill patients were released TODAY?

 

can you substantiate that?

 

Of course he cannot.

 

In truth, the large majority of COVID cases being "cleared" every day are those that are asymptomatic or minor symptoms being released from field hospital facilities after serving their required quarantine time.

 

That's doing little to nothing to help the root issue of regular hospital bed utilization and specifically those beds suited for COVID patients, including those requiring ICU care, where the current facilities are already pretty well maxed out.

 

And once COVID cases get into the critical care realm, they're likely be to in those hospital beds/facilities for an extended period of time, until they either recover or end up dying.  And meanwhile, as things stand now, increasing numbers of new cases are pouring in each and every day, a portion of which are going to end up requiring real hospitalization.

 

It's a bad situation as things are heading right now.

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Math has never been my specialty but if 50% have received both vaccines and 64% received just one, how can Phuket's population have 114% of its people as I always thought 100% was the max you could have....so confused.  I would think that if 64% had only one jab then only 36% would have both vaccinations.  Someone's fudging with numbers TAT style.

 

You don't add the two categories together. The total of folks who have received one shot includes the portion that went on to receive the second shot thereafter.

 

[RR2020]

And on top of that........ SINOVAC looks pretty weak against DELTA variant.

 

Indonesian Covid deaths add to questions over Sinovac vaccine | Indonesia | The Guardian

 

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[onthedarkside]

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[rott]

47 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Thomas Gibson, a Scots doctor. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gibson_(surgeon)

Is that what it takes to get you through the day, to sit preening and basking in the reflected glory of other people and their achievements. 

[ThailandRyan]

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

You don't add the two categories together. The total of folks who have received one shot includes the portion that went on to receive the second shot thereafter.

 

So its not 50% of Phuket's total population that has been vaccinated.  The way I read what you posted made it sound like 50% of the total population had been double vaccinated, That is why I made the comment I did.

[wensiensheng]

53 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

2 cases in Loei, not 5.

the rumor of the 5 new cases that came from BKK yesterday was just a rumor.

Isn’t it hard to equate cases you hear about, to the cases announced on a daily basis? I may be wrong, but I thought there was a time lag on everything due to the need to do a second test and process it, before finally adding it to the province total.

 

I haven’t been following Loei’s numbers very closely, so don’t know whether the 5 were in previous days totals, will be in future days totals, or don’t exist at all.

Edited June 29, 2021 by wensiensheng