The end of "The Belle-Epoque"?

[swissie]

As far as I understand it, the years between 1880 until 1914 were called the "Belle-Epoque" in Europe. In my view, another "Belle-Epoque" lasted from 1946 until 2000 (approx).

- But as "neo-liberalism" increasingly started to take hold, the phenomenum of "the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer" seems to be a firmly established trend. (same in Thailand).
- The efforts, to counter-act climate change appear to be "one Dollar short, one day too late".
- The indeptedness of Countries, Companies and Private Households has reached proportions never seen before in financial history. Thailand is not excluded from those problems.

Overall: Is the end of the after war "Belle-Epoque" near? Some say, that the "Belle-Epoque" in Thailand came already to an end when the Bars closed. HeHe!

Seriously: In your opinion, what would be credible measures to stem (counteract) those negative global effects, sneaking up on us. Or, (more down to earth), what advice would you give your 10 year old son/daughter how to prepare when the "Belle-Epoque" should definitely come to an end? Them living in "the West" or in Thailand?

Don't be shy, voice your opinion. "After me the deluge" is also an opinion.

 

[Kwasaki]

46 minutes ago, swissie said:

what advice would you give your 10 year old son/daughter how to prepare

With my kids I didn't give them advice unless they asked me.

Whether advice is taken on board so to speak I dunno.

I never took on much advice from my parents I just did what I wanted to do, some of my parents advice turned out to be right not all.

Life is what you make it.

 

[worgeordie]

Another doom and gloom post... we need cheering up in these desperate times,

tell a joke ,or post some good news.....

regards worgeordie

[1FinickyOne]

14 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

Another doom and gloom post... we need cheering up in these desperate times,

tell a joke ,or post some good news.....

regards worgeordie

just for you..

 

 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, swissie said:

Seriously: In your opinion, what would be credible measures to stem (counteract) those negative global effects, sneaking up on us.

Obviously the solution would be to remove all the current rulers and super-rich from the face of the earth (along with their immediate family). You'd probably need to get rid of all the teachers and lecturers, and senior administrators of everything as well, along with bankers, insurance salesmen, financial advisors and realty agents.

 

The French Revolution, Stalin and Pol-Pot showed us the way.

Complete fresh start!

[Surelynot]

Invest every spare penny in the stock market............why didn't someone tell me that 60 years ago?

[Tanomazu]

First of all, the poor in France are not getting poorer than in the Belle Epoque period. Far from it.

 

In fact the poor are better off than ever before, and the threshold for poverty is now unrecognisable to what it was in the Belle Epoque. In fact the poor of Belle Epoque France would have given their right arm to be poor in recent times. In modern France the poverty threshold is 1 026€ per person.

 

Obviously Thailand is different in this regard. Quite possibly the Belle Epoque of Thailand is still to come.

 

Nevertheless, looking at Europe, I don't think you can compare the Belle Epoque era to the modern period you refer to anyway.

 

I mean Belle Epoque had Vincent Van Goh, magnificent architecture. We had Bauhaus and social projects architecture, modern architecture and its monstrosities are the polar opposite of Belle Epoque really.

 

In fact the efforts to address climate issues are proceeding incredibly well, technologically, commercially and in society generally. By 2030 the change to renewable energy will be well advanced. Electric cars are taking off, investors are preferring "green" companies, and solar energy is making great progress.

 

The advice should be, as always, be richt, don't be poor.

 

 

 

 

[Led Lolly Yellow Lolly]

Meh, pffffft, as I tell my kids, big dogs eat small dogs. Don't be a small dog. Nothing Euro-Centric about this awesome advice.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, swissie said:

Or, (more down to earth), what advice would you give your 10 year old son/daughter how to prepare when the "Belle-Epoque" should definitely come to an end? Them living in "the West" or in Thailand?

Learn to speak Chinese ( ?Mandarin ).

[KarenBravo]

La Belle Epoch was lots of fun for the rich..........not so much for the poor.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

With my kids I didn't give them advice unless they asked me.

Whether advice is taken on board so to speak I dunno.

I never took on much advice from my parents I just did what I wanted to do, some of my parents advice turned out to be right not all.

Life is what you make it.

 

My parents gave me no advice whatsoever, which IMO was an abdication of their responsibility for bringing me into the world.

If I learned anything from them it wasn't to have any children of my own. It may not have been given as advice, but at least I didn't make that particular mistake.

[KarenBravo]

"The poor have too many babies and the well-off can't afford them".

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Obviously the solution would be to remove all the current rulers and super-rich from the face of the earth (along with their immediate family). You'd probably need to get rid of all the teachers and lecturers, and senior administrators of everything as well, along with bankers, insurance salesmen, financial advisors and realty agents.

 

The French Revolution, Stalin and Pol-Pot showed us the way.

Complete fresh start!

Hmmmmm.

The French revolution ended before they finished the job and another lot of aristocracy took over from the previous.

Stalin was worse than the Tsars IMO.

Pol Pot was insane, IMO

 

All of which goes to show, IMO, that revolutionaries are just stupid tools used by a new lot of rulers to take over from the previous ones. I doubt any society ended up better off for removing one lot of rulers.

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

"The poor have too many babies and the well-off can't afford them".

Well I was well-off and had 5 kids now I'm poor. 555

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

All of which goes to show, IMO, that revolutionaries are just stupid tools used by a new lot of rulers to take over from the previous ones. I doubt any society ended up better off for removing one lot of rulers.

Yeah, but if they kill all the old crowd, I get a (slim) chance of being in the new crowd.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Yeah, but if they kill all the old crowd, I get a (slim) chance of being in the new crowd.

 

I doubt that, but I can't explain it on here because it's very political.

[Led Lolly Yellow Lolly]

On 7/7/2021 at 10:24 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

 

If I learned anything from them it wasn't to have any children of my own. It may not have been given as advice, but at least I didn't make that particular mistake.

You would probably have made a very good parent. I attribute much of my parenting ability to the fact I know precisely how NOT to behave as a DIRECT result of my own parents.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said:

You would probably have made a very good parent. I attribute much of my parenting ability to the fact I know precisely how NOT to behave as a DIRECT result of my own parents.

Till the age of 50 I would have been as bad a parent as my father was, which was pretty bad, but that's because young people IMO have no clue about being parents- judging from seeing all my friends that had kids.

By 50 I had actually learned something about life, and probably could have done an OK job.

 

By the time I got married, prostate cancer eliminated my ability to be a father anyway, but sometimes I did wonder about adopting. Just as well we didn't as the divorce would have made it too difficult to continue raising a child.

 

On balance, I have no regrets for being childless.