Bangkok restaurant owners gather at Government House to rally against closure orders

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Picture: Daily News

 

Daily News reported from outside Government House late yesterday afternoon when two groups joined forces to make demands for help from the government for the restaurant industry.

 

One was a group representing restaurants that have fallen victim to Covid-19 and the other was the so called "Mob Thalu Fah" or through the sky group. 

 

Calling it a Bangkok Sandbox demonstration they set up a table with lots of very Thai treats such as Yam Poo Dong (a spicy crab salad), Fried Chicken and Pork and bakery items to name but four. 

 

Then came the observations and demands via loudspeaker as the Royal Thai Police looked on somewhat bemused by this irregular display.

 

The protesters said that the restaurant sector had suffered continually since the very start of the pandemic and the latest orders to stop in-house dining - issued in the middle of the night two weekends ago - were a further blow.

 

They came after promises to allow opening subject to five strict Covid-19 protocols that restaurants were willing to abide by. 

 

Now the protesters had three main demands:

 

Allow in-restaurant dining.

 

Provide six month help with rents.

 

And step up vaccination of people in the industry and in its various supply chains. 

 

Following the demands the protesters started tipping the food away as rain began to fall.

 

They dispersed without incident.

 

Officials cleared the area to allow the normal movement of traffic. 

 

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[hotchilli]

I'm sure Prayut was listening at home.

[natway09]

Another waste of time. I am directly affected by these closures but have enough brains to

realize that right at this time, the Government has no other choice.

They would be better off talking about getting the Govt to pass a law that caps the greedy landlords to charging a maxi,um of 30% of normal rent whilst we have to be closed

[Surelynot]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

I'm sure Prayut was listening at home.

Feet up, watching Thal LaKorn........555

[robblok]

20 minutes ago, natway09 said:

Another waste of time. I am directly affected by these closures but have enough brains to

realize that right at this time, the Government has no other choice.

They would be better off talking about getting the Govt to pass a law that caps the greedy landlords to charging a maxi,um of 30% of normal rent whilst we have to be closed

Why are landlords greedy ? your renting and have a contract. Why would you not pay them. Its not their fault that your business is doing bad because of covid. Why is it that people always want others to pay for them. You have a business there are risks.. but when it hits you you want the landlord to take the hit. 

 

Its all business you all have contracts either you close up and find a new place when its over or you stay and pay. Its like me saying to my software developers sorry i am having a bad year so you guys cant charge me for software. Instead of accepting I have a contract and its not their fault. 

 

 

[ChipButty]

45 minutes ago, natway09 said:

Another waste of time. I am directly affected by these closures but have enough brains to

realize that right at this time, the Government has no other choice.

They would be better off talking about getting the Govt to pass a law that caps the greedy landlords to charging a maxi,um of 30% of normal rent whilst we have to be closed

Maybe the landlord has cost, like finance on his new Benz and the mia noi

[connda]

You'll all be closed down permanently soon which will pave the way for "essential" restaurants such as huge corporate franchises with their own delivery staff to take over.  They will become the recipients of all of your revenue when you "non-essential" restaurants are forced by your government to close down for every variant that will come along between now and dooms-day.  However, the same government will wave their hands over "essential" corporate restaurant chains and bless them as saviors.
Soon "Thai Cultural Food" will be 5-Star Chicken and MK.

[connda]

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

I'm sure Prayut was listening at home.

Probably eating a Pizza Hut delivery.  ????

 

[natway09]

Robblok

You are a HARD man with obviously no compassion at all.

Even the "sharks" that have the "master Lease" at Nana Plaza have come to the party for their customers & I have reduced rent on my apartment as the lessees have lost their income. It is called Karma here 

[connda]

1 hour ago, natway09 said:

Another waste of time. I am directly affected by these closures but have enough brains to

realize that right at this time, the Government has no other choice.

 

Spiraling down the drain to bankruptcy while waving a white flag.  You don't see the difference between your shop (non-essential) and a corporate restaurant (essential)?  Or you fail to see the "why" behind your closures while corporate chains remain open? You've bought into the excuses.  And you believe this will end soon, like within the year?  Sad. 

Most of you will not survive this purge and wealth transfer.  You'll be battered with variant wave after wave after wave of the government's making, followed by the expert's calls for "boosters", "boosters", "boosters." The academics on the government payroll will write the scripts ("Experts say stop variant_xyz by getting booster_nnn.  And lockdown all non-essential stores and restaurants - again").  They'll bury you, take your customer base, bury your landlord, and then pick up his property for satangs on the baht. 
I'll have to file this away until next year and see how accurate I am.  I hope for the sake of all small business owners that I'm flat-***ed wrong.  I'd be happy to be wrong in this case.  I just don't believe I am.

[robblok]

1 hour ago, natway09 said:

Robblok

You are a HARD man with obviously no compassion at all.

Even the "sharks" that have the "master Lease" at Nana Plaza have come to the party for their customers & I have reduced rent on my apartment as the lessees have lost their income. It is called Karma here 

I am not a harsh man at all, i am a business man. I do accounting for clients. I don't see why people should pass the buck to an other.

 

So if your business would do double as good you would pay double rent ? If that is ok with you then I can agree with you. As long as its not a one way street.

 

Basically what your saying is screw the landlord I don't care if he can't pay his mortgage or other costs. He invested the money and this is how he makes money. Just like you make money with a restaurant. Its a business just like yours. 

 

Look if you had said i wish my landlord would give me a discount and I will pay it back later in better times then I would fully agree with you. But not this way because this way you just pass the buck to him and let him take the loss.

 

Im a fair man, and I do give discounts to business with low income or even defer payment for months when clients can't pay. But if my clients would say that greedy bookkeeper should only invoice 30% because i make less money id say screw them. I got a contract i work for it invested time in it so why should my clients demand me to take a 70% pay cut ?. 

 

Or lets put it this way what if your suppliers after covid say sorry i increase my price with 70% because we had covid and you have to take it.. im sure you would not like that one bit either.

 

Thing is a lot of people look at things one sided like you. Never look at the other and expect others to bend over backwards for them.

 

Now working a deal out with a landlord is a different thing then demanding the goverment to force them to take a 70% pay cut. What your doing is harsh. 

[hotchilli]

10 hours ago, connda said:

Probably eating a Pizza Hut delivery.  ????

 

He wouldn't lower himself.. he probably has a Michelin star chef tucked away for his every whim.

[NoshowJones]

18 hours ago, natway09 said:

Another waste of time. I am directly affected by these closures but have enough brains to

realize that right at this time, the Government has no other choice.

They would be better off talking about getting the Govt to pass a law that caps the greedy landlords to charging a maxi,um of 30% of normal rent whilst we have to be closed

Most of these landlords are very rich, and the self elected "there will be no coup" PM will be on their side.

[NoshowJones]

18 hours ago, robblok said:

Why are landlords greedy ? your renting and have a contract. Why would you not pay them. Its not their fault that your business is doing bad because of covid. Why is it that people always want others to pay for them. You have a business there are risks.. but when it hits you you want the landlord to take the hit. 

 

Its all business you all have contracts either you close up and find a new place when its over or you stay and pay. Its like me saying to my software developers sorry i am having a bad year so you guys cant charge me for software. Instead of accepting I have a contract and its not their fault. 

 

 

I do see your point Rob, of course business owners should not be blamed for this pandemic as long as they are not making obscene profits through it. and they should accept that there will be hits along the way, but it is usually the working class people who suffer most, and business owners should realise that it is mostly the ordinary people who are helping to keep them going, and should come and go with them a little bit, especially in these pandemic times.

Edited July 8, 2021 by possum1931

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

I do see your point Rob, of course business owners should not be blamed for this pandemic as long as they are not making obscene profits through it. and they should accept that there will be hits along the way, but it is usually the working class people who suffer most, and business owners should realise that it is mostly the ordinary people who are helping to keep them going, and should come and go with them a little bit, especially in these pandemic times.

Sure, but people automatically assume that landlords are rich. They don't know if they worked hard to get there or have high mortgages. Its easy to blame them while they have no blame in this at all.

 

Now if you would negotiate with the landlord or maybe defer payment and pay later. Maybe a rent decrease. But demanding the government to it is hars.  Plus 70% what is the guy thinking fair would be both 50%.

 

Like i said people always want an other to pay. That is not how it works in business. When you start a business you take risks and when these risks pay of you make money and i feel that is ok for taking a risk. Now if it fails then too bad but that is what a business is. You don't hear people complaining when they make money, only when it goes wrong an other has to pick up the tab. You can't have it both ways IMHO.

 

I do feel there should be some flexibility there, myself I charge very little for my services. I am probably one of the cheapest accountants in the Netherlands. However when people refuse to pay it makes me furious (especially if they give no reason and we are not talking about large amounts). For a small company i charge 300 eur a year (one man stuff), now if they don't pay this little amount without valid reason. I take them to court. However if they come to me and ask for a payment plan im willing to wait up to a year. 

 

Its all how you do business, but demanding that someone takes a paycut those kind of remarks go the wrong way.

 

Just imagine you saved up for a house in the UK your renting it out and with it you fund your retirement. All of a sudden the tenant cuts pay by 70% because of covid is that fair to you ? Sure there are rich landlords but even if they are risk why should they take the cut they still proved the service you agreed to. Its just complicated and not so one sided as people want to believe. 

[NoshowJones]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Sure, but people automatically assume that landlords are rich. They don't know if they worked hard to get there or have high mortgages. Its easy to blame them while they have no blame in this at all.

 

Now if you would negotiate with the landlord or maybe defer payment and pay later. Maybe a rent decrease. But demanding the government to it is hars.  Plus 70% what is the guy thinking fair would be both 50%.

 

Like i said people always want an other to pay. That is not how it works in business. When you start a business you take risks and when these risks pay of you make money and i feel that is ok for taking a risk. Now if it fails then too bad but that is what a business is. You don't hear people complaining when they make money, only when it goes wrong an other has to pick up the tab. You can't have it both ways IMHO.

 

I do feel there should be some flexibility there, myself I charge very little for my services. I am probably one of the cheapest accountants in the Netherlands. However when people refuse to pay it makes me furious (especially if they give no reason and we are not talking about large amounts). For a small company i charge 300 eur a year (one man stuff), now if they don't pay this little amount without valid reason. I take them to court. However if they come to me and ask for a payment plan im willing to wait up to a year. 

 

Its all how you do business, but demanding that someone takes a paycut those kind of remarks go the wrong way.

 

Just imagine you saved up for a house in the UK your renting it out and with it you fund your retirement. All of a sudden the tenant cuts pay by 70% because of covid is that fair to you ? Sure there are rich landlords but even if they are risk why should they take the cut they still proved the service you agreed to. Its just complicated and not so one sided as people want to believe. 

As a person who hates capitalism, I have to say everything about your post makes sense here.

[chilly07]

Lockdown now! And set up checkpoints everywhere! Especially between Bangkok and Chonburi! We don't have any vaccines as someone has sold them!

[n00dle]

19 hours ago, natway09 said:

Another waste of time. I am directly affected by these closures but have enough brains to

realize that right at this time, the Government has no other choice.

They would be better off talking about getting the Govt to pass a law that caps the greedy landlords to charging a maxi,um of 30% of normal rent whilst we have to be closed

No other choice? 

 

The government had excellent options. It dropped the ball. 

[Metapod]

On 7/7/2021 at 6:56 PM, connda said:

You'll all be closed down permanently soon which will pave the way for "essential" restaurants such as huge corporate franchises with their own delivery staff to take over.  They will become the recipients of all of your revenue when you "non-essential" restaurants are forced by your government to close down for every variant that will come along between now and dooms-day.  However, the same government will wave their hands over "essential" corporate restaurant chains and bless them as saviors.
Soon "Thai Cultural Food" will be 5-Star Chicken and MK.

 

Yep, this is a global economic reset. SME are goners.

[sucit]

You can’t eat but you can pile up into mass transit during rush hour. 
 

Restaurants are in fact taking the worst of it. People cook food at 7-11. I just don’t get it, what’s the logic. What about markets? Why can someone eat in the middle of a market and not in a restaurant?