Leaked letters show AstraZeneca vaccine commitment not as Thailand claimed

[Dogmatix]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

It may not be their fault, but it's certainly their responsibility. And given that they chose to work with a company that had never manufactured a vaccine before, and that vaccine being used to counter a pandemic. I'd say they were at fault.

It now looks as if SBS did pretty to get up and running as they did, given its small size and that it had only ever produced two generic drugs before. AZ will blame it on the Thai government for blocking exports.  

 

You call this reverse vaccine diplomocy.

[Jai Dee]

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Please keep the discussion civil and impersonal please.

[Uroller]

11 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

Add the word "incompetent" and it perfectly describes this government's handling of the Covid situation ! 

A democratically elected government would not survive this gross incompetence????????????

[metisdead]

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[Knocker33]

10 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

In any 'normal' country someones head would roll for this from the government. Here the person who leaked it will be hounded and it will probably be described as fake news.

Probably leaked by AZ overseas . Why should they take the flack for a lying incompetent bunch of #@&_£s

[Dogmatix]

Vietnam has been negotiating local production of an mRNA vaccine.  Guess what Thailand's allocation will be.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Dogmatix said:

Vietnam has been negotiating local production of an mRNA vaccine.  Guess what Thailand's allocation will be.

Well, unless Vietnam gets a contract that allows it to decide allocations, it will be up to whoever company that factory is contracted to to decide what Thailand's allocation will be.

[Misterwhisper]

14 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

In any 'normal' country someones head would roll for this from the government. Here the person who leaked it will be hounded and it will probably be described as fake news.

And that is EXACTLY why Thailand still maintains its anachronistic, obsolete, highly biased criminal defamation law, where the plaintiff risks absolutely nothing even if they lose the case and the entire burden is on the defendant alone. 

[Forza2002]

According to the infographic below AZ accounts for 6.2M (44%) of the total 14.1M vaccines administered to date... 2nd jab 3.4M, 97% is SinoVac...

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[impulse]

36 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, unless Vietnam gets a contract that allows it to decide allocations, it will be up to whoever company that factory is contracted to to decide what Thailand's allocation will be.

Until the state steps in and bans exports.  That's called force majeure in most contracts.

 

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

Until the state steps in and bans exports.  That's called force majeure in most contracts.

 

Provided that the manufacturing facility is entirely self-reliant and doesn't depend on its partner for precursors and components. What's Vietnam going to do if that's the case as it is with SB and AZ in Thailand. Launch a war?

[impulse]

12 hours ago, club said:

Is that why they lied about how much AZ they originally ordered

We don't know how much they ordered.  The contract is still confidential.  All we know from the letter is what was discussed at a meeting.

 

I'm not saying it looks good at all.  But without seeing the actual contract, we don't know how many they promised.  It's quite possible they promised to make a good faith effort to meet Thailand's needs.

 

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

We don't know how much they ordered.  The contract is still confidential.  All we know from the letter is what was discussed at a meeting.

 

I'm not saying it looks good at all.  But without seeing the actual contract, we don't know how many they promised.  It's quite possible they promised to make a good faith effort to meet Thailand's needs.

 

Who is they? Keep in mind that it's the company that owns the vaccine that is doing the selling. Not the company that has been contracted to make it.

[impulse]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Provided that the manufacturing facility is entirely self-reliant and doesn't depend on its partner for precursors and components. What's Vietnam going to do if that's the case as it is with SB and AZ in Thailand. Launch a war?

Not at all.  They'd just do what Thailand is trying to do.  Let their company promise whatever gets them the contract, then use state actions to get what they want.  Even if VietPharma promises to supply millions of doses to other ASEAN nations, Vietnam can stop them from exporting any. 

 

Sound familiar?

 

BTW, I made up VietPharma.

 

 

[impulse]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Who is they? Keep in mind that it's the company that owns the vaccine that is doing the selling. Not the company that has been contracted to make it.

"They" is Thailand.  We don't know how much Thailand actually ordered.  The contract is still confidential.  All we know from the AZ letter is that they discussed 3 million doses a month at meeting at a point in time.  Nowhere does it say that's what's called out in the still secret contract.

 

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

Not at all.  They'd just do what Thailand is trying to do.  Let their company promise whatever gets them the contract, then use state actions to get what they want.  Even if VietPharma promises to supply millions of doses to other ASEAN nations, Vietnam can stop them from exporting any. 

 

Sound familiar?

 

BTW, I made up VietPharma.

 

 

What Thailand is trying to do is the salient feature of your argument. Not succeeding but trying. What does SB do if AZ cuts off its supplies?