GrandPapillon Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) don't confuse lack of reporting of cases because of no testing with the absence of the virus spreading, it was spreading like everywhere else in the world, Thailand was in complete denial of the situation then and they still are now with the vaccination program, Edited July 28, 2021 by GrandPapillon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggo Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 How do you get an invite to these pizz ups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhaoYai Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 It doesn't really matter what you think of the law. Neither does it matter if you think its being applied unfairly, compare it to crowds at Bang Sue or any other reason you might object to this situation. Its not our country and we have to obey the laws no matter what we think of them. Is it so different in your home country? I know that if a foreigner does anything wrong in the UK its somehow looked upon as being worse than if it was done by a Brit. Why should Thailand be any different? Anybody who doesn't like the laws, regarding Covid or otherwise has a choice - nobody's forcing you to stay. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 3 hours ago, GrandPapillon said: no more selfish than those who would expect others to make sacrifice for them, staying home alone is not helping, and drinking with friends is not changing the big picture either you guys need to start to take a grab of reality, all these measures don't work, we know that for sure now These "measures" have never had the backing of everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 14 hours ago, GrandPapillon said: indeed logic get lost in stupidity, that is believing that lockdowns or limiting people drinking or meeting is going to change anything. How did that work so far? ???? It is believed to have saved many many lives.... although it is a sense of kicking the can down the road (until vaccinations can have an impact). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbko Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 7 hours ago, KhaoYai said: Is it so different in your home country? I know that if a foreigner does anything wrong in the UK its somehow looked upon as being worse than if it was done by a Brit. Why should Thailand be any different? Anybody who doesn't like the laws, regarding Covid or otherwise has a choice - nobody's forcing you to stay. Agree, in my country (USA) news of a foreigner committing a crime seems to anger many with the "How dare they come to my country and break the laws", it's no different here in Thailand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fairynuff Posted July 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2021 16 hours ago, GrandPapillon said: the innocent people will get infected eventually by other simple and innocent means, this is a zombie scenario, you can't hide from the virus You can’t hide from it but you can have a bloody good try, and help others along the way by behaving responsibly 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPapillon Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, jacko45k said: It is believed to have saved many many lives.... although it is a sense of kicking the can down the road (until vaccinations can have an impact). yeah, that's the key word here: "it is believed" lockdowns are based on faith, nothing else, faith that it can magically work and the virus will obey the government lockdowns ???? Edited July 29, 2021 by GrandPapillon 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 15 hours ago, GrandPapillon said: yeah, that's the key word here: "it is believed" lockdowns are based on faith, nothing else, faith that it can magically work and the virus will obey the government lockdowns ???? Naive....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrunchWrapSupreme Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 On 7/28/2021 at 7:34 AM, Gudge said: dirty filthy farangs were gathered together flouting the Covid rules Filthy farangs flaunt the funds to be fined, flatly not those first to the Fatherland, whose funds are finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 On 7/27/2021 at 8:15 PM, Kevin Taylor said: Any minute now the usual mob will start posting comments of lock them up and obey the rules or some such nonsense. it's the law ..... to help prevent virus transmission. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 A baiting flame has been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted July 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2021 21 hours ago, GrandPapillon said: yeah, that's the key word here: "it is believed" lockdowns are based on faith, nothing else, faith that it can magically work and the virus will obey the government lockdowns ???? The stricter the lockdown, the greater the reduction in community spread of the virus. That is a fact. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GrandPapillon Posted July 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Danderman123 said: The stricter the lockdown, the greater the reduction in community spread of the virus. That is a fact. it doesn't reduce the spread, it just slows it down, just to catch up later, why do you think we have all these waves anyway, not a long term solution Edited July 30, 2021 by GrandPapillon 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 On 7/29/2021 at 2:26 PM, GrandPapillon said: yeah, that's the key word here: "it is believed" lockdowns are based on faith, nothing else, faith that it can magically work and the virus will obey the government lockdowns ???? If you stop people from social contact, you also stop the virus from social contact, thus, spreading. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPapillon Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Leaver said: If you stop people from social contact, you also stop the virus from social contact, thus, spreading. right, how did it work so far? ???? that's right it didn't, you can stop people from interacting with each other 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Leaver Posted July 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2021 Just now, GrandPapillon said: right, how did it work so far? ???? that's right it didn't, you can stop people from interacting with each other Wrong. It has worked, and does work, that's why governments all around the world implement it. It's saved millions of live over the last 18 months. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bbko Posted July 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2021 8 hours ago, GrandPapillon said: it doesn't reduce the spread, it just slows it down, just to catch up later, why do you think we have all these waves anyway, not a long term solution Long term solution? Of course not, but used in conjunction with a robust vaccination program, lives will be saved. The sticking point here and in many other parts of the world is getting people vaccinated. Until then, social distancing is a sneeze guard solution on a potentially deadly virus, following the rules helps fellow humans, now is not the time for selfishness. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 35 minutes ago, bbko said: Long term solution? Of course not, but used in conjunction with a robust vaccination program, lives will be saved. The sticking point here and in many other parts of the world is getting people vaccinated. Until then, social distancing is a sneeze guard solution on a potentially deadly virus, following the rules helps fellow humans, now is not the time for selfishness. I concur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 10 hours ago, GrandPapillon said: it doesn't reduce the spread, it just slows it down, just to catch up later, why do you think we have all these waves anyway, not a long term solution No one says lockdowns are a permanent solution. But slowing down the spread keeps the hospital system from crashing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPapillon Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 42 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: No one says lockdowns are a permanent solution. But slowing down the spread keeps the hospital system from crashing. absolutely, but at what cost? we are not working for hospitals, so why should we pay with our freedom those hospital beds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPapillon Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 hours ago, bbko said: Long term solution? Of course not, but used in conjunction with a robust vaccination program, lives will be saved. The sticking point here and in many other parts of the world is getting people vaccinated. Until then, social distancing is a sneeze guard solution on a potentially deadly virus, following the rules helps fellow humans, now is not the time for selfishness. if social distancing had worked, we would know by now. Obviously it didn't. The vaccine is the only solution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPapillon Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Leaver said: Wrong. It has worked, and does work, that's why governments all around the world implement it. It's saved millions of live over the last 18 months. well, I guess we have a different opinion on what "works" mean ???? we didn't save millions, we just spread the number of deaths on a different time scale so we didn't look completely foolish in front of the virus, basically saving face ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saraburi121 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said: if social distancing had worked, we would know by now. Obviously it didn't. The vaccine is the only solution. Time is the only solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbko Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 26 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said: we are not working for hospitals, so why should we pay with our freedom those hospital beds Let me guess, you're a contrarian, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPapillon Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 37 minutes ago, bbko said: Let me guess, you're a contrarian, you mean common sense? sure ???? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbko Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said: so why should we pay with our freedom those hospital beds So you see these legit attempts to slow down the virus that's killed millions worldwide as an infringement on your freedom? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 3 hours ago, GrandPapillon said: absolutely, but at what cost? we are not working for hospitals, so why should we pay with our freedom those hospital beds And here it appears...... a selfishness. We are not working for hospitals but they have to work for you, I see! The system does not show us what is going on in the hospitals... for a few reasons. It is high contagion risk to go in there, and likely it would cause panic. I recall catching reports from Sky News who went into hospitals to show us what was going on....once early in the pandemic in Italy (Bergamo region), another mid pandemic in the UK, and more recently Delhi, India. (Some from the USA too I believe), I rather think we have been presented with a sanitized view of this pandemic... with over 4,000,000 dead there are horror stories out there that might help doubters see reality. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, GrandPapillon said: absolutely, but at what cost? we are not working for hospitals, so why should we pay with our freedom those hospital beds What have hospitals ever done for us? Edited July 31, 2021 by Danderman123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPapillon Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 8 hours ago, jacko45k said: And here it appears...... a selfishness. We are not working for hospitals but they have to work for you, I see! you don't take an entire population as hostage and make them pay with their freedom because governments can't scale hospitals, or are unable to find solutions for a pandemic let people be responsible for themselves, if they want to isolate themselves, let them they do, if they want to meet and drink, let them take the risks. It's really that simple. but as usual, it's too easy for authorities to "become useful" with the worst possible solutions when there is a direct threat to society (remember terrorism, another angle to take away our freedom that the terrorists wanted to take away anyway ???? right) the irony will be lost as usual on a scared population, full of cowards ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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