Twelve people arrested at Pattaya underground bar for allegedly drinking alcohol and violating Covid-19 measurements

[GrandPapillon]

6 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

What have hospitals ever done for us?

 

 

 

and we pay them for that, than god

 

and of course the point has been lost about our freedom and how authorities, after years of scaring us with terrorism, have found that new angle they can use to take away more freedom.

 

Next, a meteor coming to earth, need to race to the nearest cave and stay there for the next decade LOL

[GrandPapillon]

11 hours ago, bbko said:

So you see these legit attempts to slow down the virus that's killed millions worldwide as an infringement on your freedom?  

these are not legit attempts, a legit attempt would be to increase hospital capacity and ICUs capacity, not locking down everyone behind closed doors because we don't have enough hospital beds, and destroy millions of jobs and businesses in the process.

 

How is that going to help at the end? that's right, it won't, the long term damages will be far worse

Edited July 31, 2021 by GrandPapillon

[Danderman123]

17 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

these are not legit attempts, a legit attempt would be to increase hospital capacity and ICUs capacity, not locking down everyone behind closed doors because we don't have enough hospital beds, and destroy millions of jobs and businesses in the process.

 

How is that going to help at the end? that's right, it won't, the long term damages will be far worse

Because increasing the number of ICU nurses is so easy.... 

[Danderman123]

18 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

these are not legit attempts, a legit attempt would be to increase hospital capacity and ICUs capacity, not locking down everyone behind closed doors because we don't have enough hospital beds, and destroy millions of jobs and businesses in the process.

 

How is that going to help at the end? that's right, it won't, the long term damages will be far worse

If you are looking for what happens if there are no restrictions, look at Brazil. The economy crashed, due to the problem of so many people sick and dying. 

[GrandPapillon]

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Because increasing the number of ICU nurses is so easy.... 

nobody said it was, and that's the point, authorities always go for the easy solution, even if they don't really work, that's the lockdowns

 

Germany, after the first wave and before the second wave, they were able to double their ICUs capacity

 

but lazy and incompetent governments don't want to do that, because you know, it's just easier to use lockdowns

Edited July 31, 2021 by GrandPapillon

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

nobody said it was, and that's the point, authorities always go for the easy solution, even if they don't really work, that's the lockdowns

 

Germany, after the first wave and before the second wave, they were able to double their ICUs capacity

 

but lazy and incompetent governments don't want to do that, because you know, it's just easier to use lockdowns

Once hospitals are at capacity, there is always an attempt to increase the number of beds. There are hospitals in Bangkok at 140% capacity, which means that ICU nurses are understaffed. 

 

What's your point? 

 

Are you here to show off your ignorance? Are you advocating letting people die so your freedumz are unrestricted? 

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

and look at Sweden, full recovery, no deaths

 

the economic crash only happens when governments refuse to help the population,

 

and that's what's coming to Thailand in the next 6 months,

Are you out of your mind? 

 

Even the Swedes admit they blew it, and they had the highest death toll in Scandavia. By far. 

 

I understand that you get off on posting misinformation your friends at the Denier Lie Factory send you, but please don't post that junk here. 

[GrandPapillon]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Once hospitals are at capacity, there is always an attempt to increase the number of beds. There are hospitals in Bangkok at 140% capacity, which means that ICU nurses are understaffed. 

 

What's your point? 

 

Are you here to show off your ignorance? Are you advocating letting people die so your freedumz are unrestricted? 

how is that showing ignorance? it's the other way around. Supporting lockdowns is the ignorance. The Middle Age solution to a modern day pandemic

 

We have 18 months of data and experience showing it didn't do anything significant to stop hospitals from reaching capacity.

 

We have to accept that we lost from day 1, and just not fall into "knee jerk" reaction of fears and security with silly lockdowns

[GrandPapillon]

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Are you out of your mind? 

 

Even the Swedes admit they blew it, and they had the highest death toll in Scandavia. By far. 

 

I understand that you get off on posting misinformation your friends at the Denier Lie Factory send you, but please don't post that junk here. 

they never admitted they blew it, you can't use a comment from the royal family as evidence of success or not. It's a little bit more complex than just making silly declarations by authorities.

 

they had a slight bigger rate of deaths per capita, but it's a small country, and they never add an ICUs crisis like we had. It's a pandemic, there will be casualties. The ignorance is to think we can "manage" it. Obviously nobody did. We lost that battle on day 1.

 

funny how annual deaths from the flu doesn't bring the same issue, no lockdowns, higher death rate etc... by the same usual suspects supporting total lockdowns

Edited July 31, 2021 by GrandPapillon

[Leaver]

16 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

well, I guess we have a different opinion on what "works" mean ????

 

we didn't save millions, we just spread the number of deaths on a different time scale so we didn't look completely foolish in front of the virus, basically saving face ????

 

Wrong.

 

You track and trace infected people, and their contacts, and you quarantine them. 

 

The virus either kills the person, or the person kills the virus.  Either way, the virus living in the host / person dies.   If you allow the virus to spread freely,  it kills more, but also has a greater chance of mutating, possibly into something more nasty, as we are now seeing with the Delta variant.   

 

Quarantine works.   It's as simple as that.

[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

 

 

We have 18 months of data and experience showing it didn't do anything significant to stop hospitals from reaching capacity.

 

Really? Do you enjoy making up your own facts to support your dream world?

 

lockdown reduce surges in infections, flattening the curve so that hospitals are not overwhelmed by new admissions. This is standard policy in most of the world, and demonstrated to work in many places. The heavier the restrictions, the fewer the new admissions.

 

[GrandPapillon]

20 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Really? Do you enjoy making up your own facts to support your dream world?

 

lockdown reduce surges in infections, flattening the curve so that hospitals are not overwhelmed by new admissions. This is standard policy in most of the world, and demonstrated to work in many places. The heavier the restrictions, the fewer the new admissions.

 

and yet hospitals were still over run, and new evidence and new studies are starting to show that lockdowns had nothing to do with flattening the curve, it's a natural bell curve

 

but again preaching to some who are blind enough to think that a virus would "slow down" with a government lockdown ????

 

at it stands, we have absolutely no evidence of that.

[Joinaman]

On 7/27/2021 at 8:25 PM, Doctor Tom said:

Which is exactly what they should do with them.  They are irresponsible fools, who put everyone else at risk and contribute to lengthening this pandemic. What other interpretation of this kind of anti social idiocy is there?  

remind me again how beer spreads covid ?

remind me again about social distancing , that appears to be so bad, except when its in shops , markets and other places 

[Joinaman]

5 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

If you are looking for what happens if there are no restrictions, look at Brazil. The economy crashed, due to the problem of so many people sick and dying. 

 But  this is not Brazil is it ?

has the economy in India crashed yet, ?

[Doctor Tom]

30 minutes ago, Joinaman said:

remind me again how beer spreads covid ?

remind me again about social distancing , that appears to be so bad, except when its in shops , markets and other places 

Its obvious isn't it? People need to go out for food, in shops and markets, people don't need to congregate in groups to drink beer, apart from it being against the covid regulations in this Province, its also selfish and stupid.  Judging by the reported heavy fines they imposed when the idiots concerned  went to Court, the Authorities seem to agree.  People spread covid, as you well know, presumably stupid, unthinking, uncaring people spread it more readily.  

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

and yet hospitals were still over run, and new evidence and new studies are starting to show that lockdowns had nothing to do with flattening the curve, it's a natural bell curve

 

but again preaching to some who are blind enough to think that a virus would "slow down" with a government lockdown ????

 

at it stands, we have absolutely no evidence of that.

Early-onset lockdown with gradual deconfinement allowed shortening the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic and reducing contaminations. Lockdown should be considered as an effective public health intervention to halt epidemic progression.

 

Association of tiered restrictions and a second lockdown with COVID-19 deaths and hospital admissions in England: a modelling study.

 

These studies from NIH and the Lancet say you are wrong.

[jacko45k]

15 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

and we pay them for that, than god

 

and of course the point has been lost about our freedom and how authorities, after years of scaring us with terrorism, have found that new angle they can use to take away more freedom.

 

Next, a meteor coming to earth, need to race to the nearest cave and stay there for the next decade LOL

You really do live in a strange world.... often bang your head on the jerry?

[Kerryd]

For the record.
Sweden is currently 29th in the world (out of over 100 countries) in number of infections and 39th in the number of deaths.

And no, it wasn't "just a comment" by a member of Sweden's Royal family.

From June of last year:
"Coronavirus: Sweden's Tegnell admits too many died

Sweden's controversial decision not to impose a strict lockdown in response to the Covid-19 pandemic led to too many deaths, the man behind the policy, Anders Tegnell, has acknowledged.

Sweden has seen a far higher mortality rate than its nearest neighbours and its nationals are being barred from crossing their borders.

Dr Tegnell told Swedish radio more should have been done early on.

"There is quite obviously a potential for improvement in what we have done."

Sweden has counted 4,542 deaths and 40,803 infections in a population of 10 million, while Denmark, Norway and Finland have imposed lockdowns and seen far lower rates.

Denmark has seen 580 deaths, Norway has had 237 deaths and Finland 321. Sweden reported a further 74 deaths on Wednesday."
(My bolding and underlining.)

From January of this year:
"Swedish Prime Minister Admits Strategy to Stop Virus Fell Short
Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said his government should have taken more aggressive steps and moved more quickly to stop the spread of the pandemic, and he takes full responsibility for the initial strategy that led the country to suffer a disproportionately high number of deaths."

"Sweden began stepping up its response to the virus only recently, after deaths, particularly among older people, rose to per-capita levels that are more than three times those of its closest regional peer, Denmark." 
(My bolding and underlining.)

Funny how Demark, Norway and Finland enforced things like lock downs and masks and their numbers are significantly lower than Sweden's. 

Also note that early on in the pandemic, Sweden only tested people "with the most severe symptoms" meaning many more people were infected than the numbers indicate.
Which is also why, back then, all of Sweden's neighbours blocked their borders with Sweden.

[Joinaman]

On 7/31/2021 at 9:32 PM, Doctor Tom said:

Its obvious isn't it? People need to go out for food, in shops and markets, people don't need to congregate in groups to drink beer, apart from it being against the covid regulations in this Province, its also selfish and stupid.  Judging by the reported heavy fines they imposed when the idiots concerned  went to Court, the Authorities seem to agree.  People spread covid, as you well know, presumably stupid, unthinking, uncaring people spread it more readily.  

Is it ? 

why is it ok to spread this virus in markets, restaurants, shops, which most have no distancing, yet it is unsafe to sit in a bar or the same restaurant, with a beer ?

Yup Thai people spread it don't they, with the help of the government , telling infected people to travel for up to 14 hours back to their own province, possibly infecting thousands on the way, but that's ok. ?

Yes you have to go shopping, and if its so dangerous, why is the distancing, log ins, checks, phones, not enforced, why is the eating in restaurants without masks deemed safe as long as you only drink soft drink ?

Yet according to you that's all acceptable, but heaven forbid, to drink beer is stupid, unthinking, selfish, uncaring and will kill everyone stone dead within a mile radius