35 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

I have no issues prioritizing 'booster' shots for medical staff ahead of initial vaccination for the general public.  The sinovac vaccine has a 'half-life' on one shot of 40 days, and I am guessing after two it is not that much better with 600 front line medical staff got covid after sinovac vaccination.   (this is significantly high considering that by that time the number of medical staff with front line contact with COVID was a small fraction of the overall medical staff).   Thailand will need these people healthy to get through the storm that seems to be coming ashore as we speak....  A collapse of the healthcare system and the mortality rate for COVID will at least treble.  (the lockdowns etc. are really focusing on tamping down the rate of infection so that a healthcare collapse is avoided [in most countries]).

 

I made a specific point in my post above you're responding to that the medical staff need all the protection they can get...

 

But I also noted:

 

Part of the reason they're needing to now use their vaccine supplies for third doses for medical staff is because they relied on the less effective Chinese Sinovac in the first place, instead of the more effective mRNA vaccines from the west.

 

Which ironically, along with locally produced AZ doses, is what the medical staff will be getting now as their third doses via the U.S. donated Pfizer vaccines, not even ones that the Thai government acquired on their own! (To this day, there still hasn't been ONE Thai government acquired mRNA vaccine dose to show up in Thailand thus far).

 

The result is they're having to now use those AZ and Pfizer doses on re-dos for the medical staff instead of a broader/quicker vaccination effort for the general public. A lot of Thailand hasn't received any vaccine doses at all thus far, and a large number of Thais who have had any vaccinations thus far have received the same two dose Sinovac regimen that's at best questionable.

 

Now we see Thailand's ill-conceived political / financial decisions relating to the vaccines campaign having real world consequences.

 

 

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I made a specific point in my post above you're responding to that the medical staff need all the protection they can get...

 

But I also noted:

 

Part of the reason they're needing to now use their vaccine supplies for third doses for medical staff is because they relied on the less effective Chinese Sinovac in the first place, instead of the more effective mRNA vaccines from the west.

 

The result is they're having to now use those doses on the medical staff instead of a broader/quicker vaccination effort for the general public. A lot of Thailand hasn't receive any vaccine doses at all thus far.

 

And the majority or the general public WILL NOT have access to full vaccination until next year, and many in Thailand (at least in Isan) are not in a rush to get vaccinated.  As such an extra 600,000 (equivalent to 0.85% of the population of Thailand) allocated for booster shots for medical staff (who will be on the front line - in direct contact with) is a better investment than a diluted drop in the 'general public'. 

I would suggest that those people that are recovering are probably, in the main unvaccinated? At least a high proportion of them must be........Thats good news right???? Or is it not for some of you? Peoples own immune systems being able to fight off this virus.....good thing... right???? Or do they now have to get vaccinated as well? 

19 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Please show me where I called you a liar. 
 

You said you “assumed” they were going to the hospital. Doesn’t sound like you actually saw them going into and out of the hospital

 

I suggested they were maybe also assuming were are about half way through the ‘Delata’ wave (whatever that is). 
 

 

 

Again I'm sorry you don't understand. I have posted may times on here very recently that I am on the main road through my part of town that goes to the hospital. There is no other possible explanaition. They are being taken to the hospital, tested and returned to where they work. It's about a 30 minute turn around from where I watch this happening. 17 years in Thailand I have some idea of what's going on. I do not, repeat do not, need to justify anything to you. I'm posting for others on this forum who might see the value in this and hoping that you too will start to see what's actually happening.

Edited August 6, 20214 yr by dinsdale

8 minutes ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

I would suggest that those people that are recovering are probably, in the main unvaccinated? At least a high proportion of them must be........Thats good news right???? Or is it not for some of you? Peoples own immune systems being able to fight off this virus.....good thing... right???? Or do they now have to get vaccinated as well? 

I imagine that they would have been un vaccinated yes..........as the majority of the Thai population hasn't been jabbed yet!

 

Yes, you still need to get jabbed if you've previously had the virus.

 

I've had the virus, was rough for a few weeks. I've been double dosed with A Z.  I will probably get  another booster shot this Autumn/Winter (I'm in the U.K.).

 

Of course its "good news", that people are recovering...in fact its not good news its brilliant news.

 

Even if you've had the virus before, you've been double dosed, you can still get the virus again....Getting the vaccine boosts your survival rate wayyyyyyyy higher!

 

Moral is...GET THE VACCINE!

 

(I appreciate its very hard to get it in Thailand though).

Edited August 6, 20214 yr by welshguy
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2 hours ago, rott said:

Why aren't you allowed back in.? 

CEO not until 2021 if I remember right. Not sure though.

Situation updated for children infected with #COVID19:

 

New cases: +2,469 Total since 1st January: 70,153

Top 5 locations today:

Bangkok +533

Samut Prakan +168

Chonburi +163

Samut Sakhon +86

Pathum Thani +74

#Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1423561171831988226

1 minute ago, welshguy said:

(I appreciate its very hard to get it in Thailand though).

Yep, unfortunately the government did not want to spend 'sub money' on vaccines and order them early on -- when Thailand was to keep the disease at bay (with early/fast action)...  So they had to join the back of the line... and hope/beg for vaccine rejected from countries that have decided vaccination is a culture war.

 

Canada that had access to vaccines in volume 4 months after the United States started their vaccination program (certain countries were restricting exports - which makes me believe pharmaceuticals industry should no longer be included in free-trade agreements if this is the case)... and now is more than 10% in per capita vaccination (both in full and in partial vaccination values).   Maybe Thailand can negotiate for more rejected vaccines from the US.

11 minutes ago, welshguy said:

I imagine that they would have been un vaccinated yes..........as the majority of the Thai population hasn't been jabbed yet!

 

Yes, you still need to get jabbed if you've previously had the virus.

 

I've had the virus, was rough for a few weeks. I've been double dosed with A Z.  I will probably get  another booster shot this Autumn/Winter (I'm in the U.K.).

 

Of course its "good news", that people are recovering...in fact its not good news its brilliant news.

 

Even if you've had the virus before, you've been double dosed, you can still get the virus again....Getting the vaccine boosts your survival rate wayyyyyyyy higher!

 

Moral is...GET THE VACCINE!

 

(I appreciate its very hard to get it in Thailand though).

Hang on...you had the virus already and your body fought it off. You have since had TWO vaccinations and are preparing for a third. You have already said regardless of getting vaccinated you can still get Covid 19........but you already had it....and survived. Its not the worlds greatest endorsement for the vaccine. 

Just now, anchadian said:

Situation updated for children infected with #COVID19:

 

New cases: +2,469 Total since 1st January: 70,153

Top 5 locations today:

Bangkok +533

Samut Prakan +168

Chonburi +163

Samut Sakhon +86

Pathum Thani +74

#Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1423561171831988226

It's not good and is going to get worse. The open schools crowd should look at this. Children can transmit the virus. Yesterday a 14 year old was one of the fatalalities. 

2 hours ago, anchadian said:

Today there were 191 deaths in #Thailand

 

115 males & 76 females

4 foreigners died

Median age is 67 (21-104 years)

Most deaths in Bangkok (100)

Deaths reported in 28 provinces

64% of those who died were older than 60 years old

2 died at home

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1423533257463762949

 

36% of people who died from covid yesterday were under 60 years old. The trend for younger victims of this virus continues.

Edited August 6, 20214 yr by Bkk Brian

7 hours ago, sezze said:

oh more recoveries , how can that happen duuuh , you got record breaking highs every day , more people recover also , that's easy ( oh wait a minute, i'm not Thai politician , i can't say that ) ...

Might it be because 99% of people who are infected recover?

The US donated Pfizer vaccines finally begin to make it into the actual vaccinations:

 

1,422 booster doses for Thai medical staff, and 51 doses for unknown others. Wonder who?

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/fanmoph/photos/a.769525979740426/6636109933081972/?type=3

 

Edited August 6, 20214 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiPBSWorld/status/1423529172849201156

 

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It's not good and is going to get worse. The open schools crowd should look at this. Children can transmit the virus. Yesterday a 14 year old was one of the fatalalities. 

Come on  you know very well, that children are very unlikely to be badly affected even if they get the virus. Schools in the UK have been open for months but the under 18s are entirely unvaccinated. There may be a remote risk of a child getting very sick or dying, like there is with regular flu, but in that case schools may as well be closed forever. 

Edited August 6, 20214 yr by brewsterbudgen

1 minute ago, chilli42 said:

Might it be because 99% of people who are infected recover?

99% number bandied about (based on western countries with good healthcare systems) is actually 98.4ish +/- a bit of 'likely cases'  (depends on how the country estimates infected).  Even this number is deceptively used because this 'recovered' number is not 'recovered' but basically non-infectious and healthy enough that they can be discharged from hospital if they required hospitalization.  The actual recovered number is lower (by how much, I don't know exactly - maybe no one actually knows for sure at this point - since it will take time)... a portion of those 'recovered' have what is called 'long COVID' in the press.  COVID-19 is a neurotropic disease - which can kill nerves (which is likely why one of the early symptoms was loss of taste and smell) which someone may or may not fully recover from.  In some cases the virus can 'jump' the blood brain membrane and do more damage - which may lead to long term neurological damage.  There is also the chance of long term scarring in the lungs from COVID.    If healthcare in a country gets overwhelmed to the point it basically cannot handle all the cases or leads to a healthcare collapse, that '99%' number will likely drop to somewhere close to '97%' or less.   Though to be quite honest even these numbers are not that bad (relatively speaking) for a pandemic... though we have not seen all the variants (or maybe even strains if we are unlucky).  We already know that Coronavirus 'cousins' of COVID -- SARS 1 and MERS have been shown to be much more deadly (10%+ mortality rate for SARS and I think 38% mortality rate MERS).  Who knows what the future holds... 

Several trolling and bickering posts have been removed.

 

The Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) has opened a care center for children with COVID-19 who need to be temporarily separated from their families.

 

Government House's Thai Kufah webpage said the center is operating at the health center in Dusit district, catering to COVID-19 sufferers who are 3-14 years old. The center is run by a team of doctors, nurses, public health officials and day-care volunteers around the clock. If the young sufferers' conditions worsen, they will be referred to hospitals immediately.

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/posts/10158185442372050

Food supplies at markets and supermarkets are reducing amid partial closures and subsequent reduced production capacity at almost 100 food processing plants nationwide, following the spread of COVID-19 among their workers. Some items have reportedly run out, with certain shops and stalls forced to close.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/food-supply-reduced-amid-covid-spread-at-processing-plants/

Edited August 6, 20214 yr by anchadian

49 minutes ago, welshguy said:

I imagine that they would have been un vaccinated yes..........as the majority of the Thai population hasn't been jabbed yet!

 

Yes, you still need to get jabbed if you've previously had the virus.

 

I've had the virus, was rough for a few weeks. I've been double dosed with A Z.  I will probably get  another booster shot this Autumn/Winter (I'm in the U.K.).

 

Of course its "good news", that people are recovering...in fact its not good news its brilliant news.

 

Even if you've had the virus before, you've been double dosed, you can still get the virus again....Getting the vaccine boosts your survival rate wayyyyyyyy higher!

 

Moral is...GET THE VACCINE!

 

(I appreciate its very hard to get it in Thailand though).

Absolutely no problem to advise others to get the vaccine. 
 

The obvious problem right now are countries requiring it for work, travel or everyday life tasks. 

50 minutes ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

Hang on...you had the virus already and your body fought it off. You have since had TWO vaccinations and are preparing for a third. You have already said regardless of getting vaccinated you can still get Covid 19........but you already had it....and survived. Its not the worlds greatest endorsement for the vaccine. 

No no!

 

I had Covid last year.

 

I have had 2 covid jabs THIS YEAR!

Anyhow, back on topic. 

 

If they can maintain over 600,000 jabs per day the curve should flatten on time to reopen. 
 

Maybe not October as planned but for high season I would expect. 

 

Some more trolling and bickering posts have been removed.  

8 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

There was however a slight degree of optimism in Friday's data, with number of recoveries outnumbering the number of new cases.

Well I guess that's good news, treatment for infections seems to be working in a timely manner.

3 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Anyhow, back on topic. 

 

If they can maintain over 600,000 jabs per day the curve should flatten on time to reopen. 
 

Maybe not October as planned but for high season I would expect. 

 

If they can manage 600,000 jabs per day.... they should run out of the vaccines they have in about .... at most 8 days....  the problem is not how many people they can do per day, unfortunately they can jab more people per day than their monthly supply currently allows because they failed to acquire sufficient supply - so they have to rely on handouts and begging to be moved up in the queue.

Edited August 6, 20214 yr by bkkcanuck8

6 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Anyhow, back on topic. 

 

If they can maintain over 600,000 jabs per day the curve should flatten on time to reopen. 
 

Maybe not October as planned but for high season I would expect. 

 

They have ordered only 10 million for August

13 minutes ago, welshguy said:

No no!

 

I had Covid last year.

 

I have had 2 covid jabs THIS YEAR!

Is it generally the case that people who have had Covid still need to be vaccinated?  Won't they already have anti-bodies?

8 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

If they can manage 600,000 jabs per day.... they should run out of the vaccines they have in about .... at most 8 days....  the problem is not how many people they can do per day, unfortunately they can jab more people per day than their monthly supply currently allows because they failed to acquire sufficient supply - so they have to rely on handouts and begging to be moved up in the queue.

Let’s see what the next few days bring eh. 

I know it’s not fashionable

on here but let’s see what happens over the next week before we pooh pooh what they have already achieved. 
 

Lets be honest no one thought they could do 600,000/day. That’s more i believe than the UK managed at their peak will all those extra resources available in terms of volunteers, army, St. John’s etc etc. 
 

So let’s buck the trend and for one day and say  well done and find something to be optimistic about. 

Edited August 6, 20214 yr by Kadilo

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They have ordered only 10 million for August

Really, or that is what they have announced...  Last time I read anything they had actually only ordered (confirmed) between 3 and 4 million doses, which AZ had indicated they could get more if they actually bothered to join COVAX (which they finally did)... while at the same time they had been saying they had orders for 10 million a month... but the documentation showed it to be a lie.  (then they got a present of 1.5 million pfizer from the US, and an order for private hospitals of 5 million til the end of the year for Moderna - of which the government took 1+ million and reallocated that order to Red Cross)...  So where are these additional jabs coming from?

Edited August 6, 20214 yr by bkkcanuck8

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

This is what I said yesterday but the language seems to have reverted back to recovered from that of released from medical care. Real smoke and mirrors stuff at play here to cover up the reality of the situation. Sadly some will not see the deception and take the numbers at face value.

Smoke and Mirrors was always going to play a big part in the Mass opening of the Country in a few weeks time.

The expression is that BS baffles Brains. Well it used too, but people are seeing through all the C### now.

Many of those so called " recovered " will purely be released from Hospital to create more bed space.