dash Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 17 hours ago, AnotherFarang8 said: Yes. Other doctors in the west were saying this back in spring 2020 but they were quickly shot down in the media, devoiced in youtube, etc. This thai doctor describes what has just happened in India - most people got sick and acquired natural immunity from the live virus, the wave went down. The number of detected infections is bs everywhere, real numbers are in billions now, mortality rate is very low. What happened in India is now happening in Thailand, give it another month to play out. It is Corona Virus. Immunity is of no importance. It is a genetic selection whether the immune system can be switch to "no regulation" with the first or repetetive contacts with antigens, virus replication has not to be active. Corona infection and replication has not to be on the same individual which is corona sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont confuse me Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 In my humble opinion the Doctor is simply making reference to 'herd immunity' I do agree with his statement that we have got to learn to live with it, as for people being shunned it is possible this has taken place, bearing in mind the level of education and lack of explanation to the people in some areas. Get people vaccinated this will give them confidence to get back to a normal life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbangkok Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Dont confuse me said: In my humble opinion the Doctor is simply making reference to 'herd immunity' I do agree with his statement that we have got to learn to live with it, as for people being shunned it is possible this has taken place, bearing in mind the level of education and lack of explanation to the people in some areas. Get people vaccinated this will give them confidence to get back to a normal life. What about those who have the right now to take the Vaccine? And why on this occassion, are we not being asked first if we have any allergic issues with certain medication as you always get asked before taking anything? I do not want to have an experiemental, and as yet unapporved/not fully tested vaccine. That is a basic human right. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBF Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 minute ago, saintbangkok said: What about those who have the right now to take the Vaccine? And why on this occassion, are we not being asked first if we have any allergic issues with certain medication as you always get asked before taking anything? I do not want to have an experiemental, and as yet unapporved/not fully tested vaccine. That is a basic human right. In the UK one fills in a questionnaire before getting vaxxed: allergies, existing conditions, meds etc. That, IMO, is how it should be done. And, as I said above, your choice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont confuse me Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, saintbangkok said: What about those who have the right now to take the Vaccine? And why on this occassion, are we not being asked first if we have any allergic issues with certain medication as you always get asked before taking anything? I do not want to have an experiemental, and as yet unapporved/not fully tested vaccine. That is a basic human right. I agree if one decides they don't want the vaccine it's their right, that's where herd immunity will come into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 8 hours ago, ukrules said: If they did that then it would be kind of hard to justify the complete and utter destruction of the lives of many people. Also the COVID prisons - they're being locked up in a COVID prison because nobody is to be trusted and the government believes people will immediately go and spread the virus to everyone they know. Zero trust in the people. Not because COVID is actually so bad that they need treatment and monitoring. They treat everyone like naughty children and clearly blame the infected for being infected. The way government are handling this is the problem. But that applies to ALL governments of the world!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 18 hours ago, RichardColeman said: I think he's right on some things. Vaccinate and try and get on with life , we need normal asap and Thailand is killing itself with no plan of recovery. No plan is normal, unless there is something in it for me, then it's planned very carefully - money is money as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbangkok Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Dont confuse me said: In my humble opinion the Doctor is simply making reference to 'herd immunity' I do agree with his statement that we have got to learn to live with it, as for people being shunned it is possible this has taken place, bearing in mind the level of education and lack of explanation to the people in some areas. Get people vaccinated this will give them confidence to get back to a normal life. What about those who have the right now to take the Vaccine? And why on this occassion, are we not being asked first if we have any allergic issues with certain medication as you always get asked before taking anything? I do not want to have an experiemental, and as yet unapporved/not fully tested vaccine. That is a basic human right. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post khunPer Posted August 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2021 From the article... “I believe that almost everyone, regardless of which vaccination brand they received, would be infected sooner or later due to new research on the Delta variant and the fact that vaccination will not fully prevent spread or transmission. We cannot live in a state of fear forever. We have to learn to live with it and do not discriminate against those who have already been recovered. They deserve to live like everyone else. We should be reminded to always have mercy on your fellow human beings,” he concluded [doctor, Manoon Leechawengwongs]. I read in my home country's news today that in Israel - which was the first country with a high vaccination rate of the population, most already in January and February, but today only 63 percent are fully vaccinated with two doses Pfizer/BioNTech - the vaccine is rapidly loosing it's effect. Monday (August 15th) Israel registered 8,698 new Covid-cases out of a population of 9 million. Compared to Thailand's population of 70 million that would relative equals 67,000 new daily cases. Israel is now giving people over 50 years a third jab as booster; it's been mentioned before that a booster might be necessary. Anyway, it seems like vaccine - even Chinese made Sinovac* - protects against severe cases and deaths, but it also shows the fact that we are going to live with Covid-19, at least for a while. A good question is then if all the continuing lockdowns are worth its costs...???? - - - - - *) A comment to that even Sinovac-vaccine gives protection. On the island Samui, where I live, a late night birthday party in pub - yes, it should not have been possible at all - resulted in a cluster of Covid cases, which seems to originate from one single lady that arrived from Bangkok, and had been partying on the island. Little more than 70 percent of the island's population had got one jab, and almost 50 percent so-called "fully vaccinated" with two jabs. Those that had two jabs were vaccinated with Sinovac, whilst the one-jabbers are AZ, mainly elder people and foreigners. The so-called "Black Club cluster" from the pub resulted in so far 171 Covid-cases, and at the same time there also was a smaller cluster from another place - the same lady had been visiting - but of all vaccinated with either 1 dose AZ og two doses Sinovac, nobody got severe symptoms... Status published 15th August... Covid-19 status 14th August... Note: The mentioned Hua Thanon cluster is another, which might have be caused by migrant workers. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThLT Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 18 hours ago, AnotherFarang8 said: Fewer than will die from malnutrition and early deaths from chronic diseases resulting from malnutrition, especially kids of young age. There is statistics of millions added to the number on the edge of starvation compared to 2019, and this economic mess is only beginning to rear its ugly head. It will be a turbulent decade. Economy does not forgive nor forget. 18 hours ago, AnotherFarang8 said: This thai doctor describes what has just happened in India - most people got sick and acquired natural immunity from the live virus, the wave went down. The number of detected infections is bs everywhere, real numbers are in billions now, mortality rate is very low. What happened in India is now happening in Thailand, give it another month to play out. Certified Facebook epidemiologist/statistician/economist. ???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drenddy Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 This thai doc...What an achievement...Propose him for Nobel Price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThLT Posted August 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, AnotherFarang8 said: Fewer than will die from malnutrition and early deaths from chronic diseases resulting from malnutrition, especially kids of young age. There is statistics of millions added to the number on the edge of starvation compared to 2019, and this economic mess is only beginning to rear its ugly head. It will be a turbulent decade. Economy does not forgive nor forget. Most numbers coming out of India are unreliable—they were completely overwhelmed and their medical infrastructure is partly non-existent. Edited August 20, 2021 by ThLT 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobU Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 He is right 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsmart Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Yes, anyone/everyone can "catch" COVID-19. The vaccines or having natural immunity isn't like have some magical shield around you which repels the virus. Immunity, whether it is from vaccines or a prior infection, just means your body is better able to fight the virus and expel it. This keeps you from having symptoms (getting sick) or at least lessens the degree to which you have symptoms. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hotandsticky Posted August 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2021 3 hours ago, raccos21 said: How can you be so certain that the vaccines have been proven effective? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1275500 I own a crematorium and the numbers have dropped. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotandsticky Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Midwit said: How about treatment and medications that help with sever cases of the virus? We have vaccines for the flu but they are not 100% effective so we have to focus on treatments and medications for serious flu cases. Yep.... I am all for anything that can help. I won't rush to take Ivermectin but I am happy to see it being researched. Equally, you won't see me criticising those who may wish to try it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo2014 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Danderman123 said: If I had one baht for every Farang who claimed that they had Covid in the first quarter of 2020, I could pay for a shot of vaccine. ours was tested by DFAT and wife lost her taste of sense and smell for a month. Any questions please send. Thanks for the comment. Hope you get your shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibot Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 19 hours ago, AnotherFarang8 said: Yes. Other doctors in the west were saying this back in spring 2020 but they were quickly shot down in the media, devoiced in youtube, etc. This thai doctor describes what has just happened in India - most people got sick and acquired natural immunity from the live virus, the wave went down. The number of detected infections is bs everywhere, real numbers are in billions now, mortality rate is very low. What happened in India is now happening in Thailand, give it another month to play out. Nobody got shot down, lol. If so, where? You're missing the point, we All need to vaccinate, but Covid19 will never go away. We have to live with it, and the safest way is with vaccinations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibot Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 16 hours ago, ikke1959 said: This morning the same news in the Netherlands.. They wrote that 700.000 vaccinated people will get Covid because for some unknown reason their immunity system is not working properly. In the same article the doctors claim that everyone who is not vaccinated will get Covid. Everyone is the world will get Covid19 at some point in their life. Period 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseytoBKK Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 There are 4 current variants of concern (VOCs) and 10 variants under investigation (VUIs) and 17 more variants that are being monitored. Take a look Table 1 for the full list. Then look at Table 5 to see how many people who have received 2 doses have died from Delta. From the UK gov official report: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 A post with false and misleading information and the replies have been removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surasak Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Such a nice bedside manner. I do hope he is a doctor I am very unlikely to meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raccos21 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, hotandsticky said: I own a crematorium and the numbers have dropped I guess you might be having tough time if the number is dropping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 2 hours ago, dash said: It is Corona Virus. Immunity is of no importance. It is a genetic selection whether the immune system can be switch to "no regulation" with the first or repetetive contacts with antigens, virus replication has not to be active. Corona infection and replication has not to be on the same individual which is corona sick. It reads like you have a valid point to make, but I just can't understand what it is. Can you explain better? I guess English is not your native language and you Google translated this? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PeeJayEm Posted August 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2021 20 hours ago, AnotherFarang8 said: Yes. Other doctors in the west were saying this back in spring 2020 but they were quickly shot down in the media, devoiced in youtube, etc. This thai doctor describes what has just happened in India - most people got sick and acquired natural immunity from the live virus, the wave went down. The number of detected infections is bs everywhere, real numbers are in billions now, mortality rate is very low. What happened in India is now happening in Thailand, give it another month to play out. You wrote as though you think what happened in India was inevitable or necessary. What you are suggesting should "play out" is total defeat of the healthcare system, fighting in the street for oxygen bottles and an extrodinary number of deaths to achieve community immunity instead of vaccination. Crude and callous. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AndresSP Posted August 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2021 It's a good sign some voices of reason starting to pop up in Thai media. Looks like people in power starting to realise at last it's time to do away with incessant fearmongering and to work on shifting the public sentiment. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkk6060 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Sure. This guy can speak so boldly as he has probably had his Pfizer booster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abik Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) On 8/19/2021 at 7:25 PM, AnotherFarang8 said: India - most people got sick and acquired natural immunity ... The immunity last only for ½ a years, then you must have a new booster shot. The only solution is to vaccinate the whole world and pray..., if it wont work, we'll have to live beside it until a real medicine will be found. Edited August 20, 2021 by metisdead Bold font removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukkaphapsickle Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 False Evidence Appearing Real? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pizzachang Posted August 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2021 Endemic, just like every other rhino and corona virus. Nearly everyone survives, unless they have a weak immune system, or other diagnosed health issues. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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