Over 84% of Thailand’s COVID fatalities had not been vaccinated

[Virt]

12 hours ago, dinsdale said:

So from this figure of over 84% (not sure what over actually means in numbers/%) unvaccinated and 7.2% with one jab died then around 8.8% with two jabs have died. Sorry this doesn't make sense.

It sounds a bit high compared to other countries, for so many fully vaccinated people to die.

 

Fully vaxxed people which die from COVID-19 are usually people with lowered immunes due to several reason. Mostly it's the elderly ones.

 

Maybe it has something to do which types of vaccines that has been used, since some has lower effiency towards the delta variant?

 

No matter what the data still shows any vaccine is better than none.

 

Personally not a huge fan of certain manufactures and has my own favorites, but in the end, they all has shown that they save lives.

[Virt]

19 minutes ago, FunkyDunky58 said:

FIRST APOLOGIES FOR THE ALL CAPS. I AM NOT SHOUTING JUST A MALFUNCTIONING KEYBOARD.  

Try Ctrl-a to highlight All txt and then shift-F3 to change to lower case.

[crazykopite]

Not Surprising as so few out of a population have been fortunate to have received a vaccine due to the incompetence of the current administrations failure to provide enough vaccines 12 million out of 65 + million is an absolute shambles

[Bkktodd]

Exactly the same as in the USA….makes you wonder why you dont get vaccinated.  

[Presnock]

this article if totally accurate, should not be "news" to anyone that has been following the USA COVID

situation.  Currently, there are more deaths daily and new infections due to the Delta variant according to the John's Hopkins Hospital report.  Hospitals, especially those in the southeast states and other states with smaller numbers of vaccinated people, are FULL with no available ICU beds for treatment of COVID patients.  More than 99% of the seriously ill are from the covid virus and even more of those that die nowadays from the virus ?99.9%? are not vaccinated yet.  In the states you know that vaccinations are free and easily obtained anywhere today.  These non-vaxxer's are causing other people to not be able to get medical treatment at times since the doctors and nurses are working on the covid patients.  Imagine what those care-givers are feeling - watching their extremely ill and dying patients every day when there is absolutely no reason for this.  In my honest opinion, the non-vaxxers should be paying some kind of penalty.  Insurance rates will increase for the rest of us as well as hospital costs if we could even get in a hospital in certain areas.  Many of these non-vaxxers are also not wearing masks so that they can continue to spread the virus and possibly cause a new variant to evolve that is stronger than any of the vaccines.  

[spidermike007]

The people have been given little choice. Either the Sinovac, which many believe does not have the efficacy of the better ones, or not much else. Alot of this falls on the tiny shoulders of Anutin, who should have resigned, or been replaced in March of 2020, after Covid broke out. He was in way over his head long before Covid came around. He lacks experience, a background in the health field, and the only reason he was appointed, and is still in this position, is due to the power and the influence he has over his party. There is NO other reason. 
 
Get out. Get out now. The people will no longer stand for your gross incompetence. Not during an emergency. Not now. 
 
You completely blew the vaccination program!
 
You blew the response to Covid!
 
You blew the response to the outbreak in Samut back in December, which led to the 2nd wave!

 

You blew the recent outbreak by not shutting down the constructions sites early enough (and when you did, the workers were given a weeks notice, so they could all flee, and infect the entire nation!) You refuse the shut down the zombie canning plants. 
 
What have you gotten right? It now appears the lack of cases during the 1st wave was dumb luck. 

So many questions, and so few answers.
1. Why are the good vaccines still months away?
2. Why not Pfizer in the interim?
3. Why can't the private sector import the vaccines directly? Why does the stunningly incompetent government and health ministry need to be involved?
4. Why was there seemingly no planning, when it comes to the vaccination program?
5. Is this really the best they can do?
6. Why has Anutin not been replaced? His political connections aside, Thailand really needs competent leadership at this emergency juncture.
7. Do the people of Thailand finally see how they have been misled, mishandled, bamboozled, forsaken, and abused by the hapless army, and the goons in charge? If they could not see it before, it is so obvious now. 

99.9% of the Thais I talk to are so far beyond fed up. And if the 3-5% who drank the kool-aid still believed, after this latest covid debacle, Prayuth, Anutin and the gang have been truly unmasked to a humiliating and inglorious degree.
 
Who could possibly still have any faith in their competence, and sincerity, at this point? 
 

Edited September 14, 2021 by spidermike007

[bkk_bwana]

13 hours ago, darksidedog said:

hardly great news for the large majority of the country who have still been unable to get even one or praise the Gods, two of the necessary jabs.

 

As of today 27M adults have had their first shot. There are 55M adults in Thailand. That's about half the adult population. People are getting vaccinated at a rate of 666k a day (yesterday's figures) with numbers in the high hundreds of thousands every day other than Saturday and Sunday. The rollout is happening. In the next couple of days, the majority of adults WILL have had their first shot.

[spidermike007]

8 minutes ago, Presnock said:

this article if totally accurate, should not be "news" to anyone that has been following the USA COVID

situation.  Currently, there are more deaths daily and new infections due to the Delta variant according to the John's Hopkins Hospital report.  Hospitals, especially those in the southeast states and other states with smaller numbers of vaccinated people, are FULL with no available ICU beds for treatment of COVID patients.  More than 99% of the seriously ill are from the covid virus and even more of those that die nowadays from the virus ?99.9%? are not vaccinated yet.  In the states you know that vaccinations are free and easily obtained anywhere today.  These non-vaxxer's are causing other people to not be able to get medical treatment at times since the doctors and nurses are working on the covid patients.  Imagine what those care-givers are feeling - watching their extremely ill and dying patients every day when there is absolutely no reason for this.  In my honest opinion, the non-vaxxers should be paying some kind of penalty.  Insurance rates will increase for the rest of us as well as hospital costs if we could even get in a hospital in certain areas.  Many of these non-vaxxers are also not wearing masks so that they can continue to spread the virus and possibly cause a new variant to evolve that is stronger than any of the vaccines.  

Yes, in regard to the situation in the US, it is rather pathetic. The anti vax folks keep insisting the vaccines are killing people. Yet, there is nothing in the way of clinical studies of the adverse effects, and we have no idea who those people are, what they suffered from, or any other data. What we do know is that the anti-vax movement is using stats such as these, to create fear, and discourage society from being reasonable, and doing what it can to prevent further spread. 

Let's deal with facts for a moment. We do know that over 5 billion have received at least one dose worldwide, and over 2 billion have been fully vaccinated, according to multiple sources. If you take a body of 2 billion people, 1.5 million or one tenth of one percent, are going to get sick from something every year. Was it the vaccine? Do we know? Will we ever know? 

The 15,000 deaths are far less interesting, as they represent less deaths than would normally occur, from such a huge population group. In 2015, 55 million people died of something worldwide. That is about 4.6 million people per month. So, the 15,000 means less than zero, within a group that huge, lacking any clinical evidence.

I am far more interested in science, than I am in fear mongering. And even though I am not a VAX guy, I feel at this time, getting a high quality vaccine represents a reasonable fulfillment of an obligation to society, and a minor sacrifice for anti-vax people to make. Doubly so for the ones who run around draping themselves in a flag of patriotism. Some say they would die for their country. OK, now is your big chance. Have you ever made a real sacrifice for your nation? You say you do not trust the vaccine. OK. We see the numbers in the states with the most infections, and it is obvious the vaccines work, and the vast majority who are dying have not been vaccinated. So, do something you do not want to do, for a change, for the benefit of society. Is that really too much to comprehend. The idea of making a personal sacrifice?

 

 

[mikebell]

7 hours ago, tingtong said:

Curiously, officially 83% of the population aren't fully vaccinated...

So the numbers kinda in line.

 

( Per recent official data 17% got the double jabs so far)

I got that immediately.  84% of Covid deaths have not been vaccinated.  About 84% of all Thais have not been vaccinated.  Shameful figures for any Government.

[HappyExpat57]

13 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

84/10 = 8.4%

 

About right. 10 times less death as doctors say.

 

Anyone who thinks vaccines stop deaths are out of touch. Just reduces risk in mid level cases. Very weak people die regardless.

A thing that no one talks about (ESPECIALLY in the US) is how obesity plays a HUGE role in Covid deaths.

[stephenterry]

I'll put in my two pennyworth. I have suffered Covid at a minimal effect and recovered, IMO by taking care of my health and dietary intake based on a Whole food plant based regime with added supplements such as Vit d3, Zinc and Vit C . As I have low blood pressure since birth I have taken Warfarin for 20 years as a preventative measure against blood clotting, which has now been recognised as one of the possible side effects of Astra Zeneca. 

 

Whatever regime people follow, a recovery is also the outcome of the majority of infected who do not need hospital treatment.  I think any man on the street would agree this is the norm.

 

I therefore consider that my immune system is able to contest any future Covid infection by natural immunity, which does not necessarily require a vaccination program. I would suggest that this should have equal weight with those who have not been infected, and have since been vaccinated.

 

However, the focus remains on vaccination of every Tom, Dick, and Harry, whatever their lifestyle.  Natural immunity is not on the same page, for the obvious reason that there's no money to be made by Big Pharma, who control most global governments.

 

I would suggest in a few years time, people will wake up to the fact they were human guinea pigs for pharma research. and that's one reason why human Ivermectin is banned from ever seeing daylight until repackaged and sold as a new product - a nose spray, perhaps?

[huangnon]

13 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

84/10 = 8.4%

 

About right. 10 times less death as doctors say.

 

Anyone who thinks vaccines stop deaths are out of touch. Just reduces risk in mid level cases. Very weak people die regardless.

Virtually all fatalities involve 'co-morbidities' or existing serious illness, or just old-age The novel vaccines miraculously solve these also, then?

[sucit]

11 hours ago, Tim207 said:

"Over 84% of Thailand’s COVID fatalities had not been vaccinated"

 

it makes me sad to see people use headlines and stories like this as if it shows anything about this vaccine. Key data points are absent from the article. What percent of the population is vaccinated being the most basic one. For instance, without taking in other factors such as who is most likely to be vaccinated, if 16% of the population is vaccinated then this statistic would show no difference in death rate between vaccinated and unvaccinated.

 

There is also the issue of the timeline. Deaths of unvaccinated have been counted over a far longer duration as vaccines have only been administered recently. You could have just as easily given these people grape cool-aid and come up with these statistics.

 

This article is nothing more than an attempt to convince people to get vaccinated. it is sad to me that so many people can be so easily manipulated. 

 

if you want to get vaccinated get vaccinated, if you don't, don't. I don't care, it makes no difference to me. Please don't allow pseudo-science and garbage statistics in the media to influence your decision. There are risks in either choice and the decision is deeply personal which depends on an individuals helth conditions.

 

My current stats:

At least 8 friends and family  cofirmed infected and recovered (more suspected}

1  73 year old died who had multiple other issues

 

At least 18 friends and family vaccinated with no or minor side effects

1 47 year old died from bloodclotting believed due to vaccine

1 43 year old suffering from multiple symptoms consistent with known side effects of vaccine

 

 

 

I don’t understand why it is so difficult for people to have the objectively correct opinion on this.

 

Yes, leave other people the <deleted> alone. If you wanna jam an unknown chemical into your body, go right ahead! So simple. No need to bicker, argue and discuss. 

[Antonymous]

14 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

Anti vaxxers, are you listening? 

Unquestioning dutiful vaxxers. Are you even thinking?

[TooMuchTime]

Why do people post historical vaccines and try to apply it to the covid one?

All those other vaccines we know how effective each dose in their series is and they provide decades/lifetime protection.  I also have a feeling they all took longer than 8 months to develop, test, and release.

 

No one seems to be able to answer how many doses, how effective, and how long covid vaccines last.  The worst part.. you can still get and spread covid even if you get injected.

[HappyExpat57]

20 minutes ago, Antonymous said:

Unquestioning dutiful vaxxers. Are you even thinking?

The majority of us are not "unquestioning." We believe in that science thing. FULL of questions and answers based on facts.

[TooMuchTime]

2 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

The majority of us are not "unquestioning." We believe in that science thing. FULL of questions and answers based on facts.

People forget that science is mutable and should always be questioned.  I have noticed many people here think reading a news article headline and posting it as fact is "folllowing science". 

[HappyExpat57]

15 minutes ago, TooMuchTime said:

The worst part.. you can still get and spread covid even if you get injected.

Heavy sigh . . . one more time:

If a vaccinated person contracts Covid, their transmission rate is much lower.

[TooMuchTime]

Just now, HappyExpat57 said:

Heavy sigh . . . one more time:

If a vaccinated person contracts Covid, their transmission rate is much lower.

Thank you for proving my point.

[EricTh]

2 hours ago, animatic said:

That may be a or soul who was conned and got a shot of gif knows what and no paperwork because it was not an official vax location.

Or they didn’t know to get paperwork at a legit site and just toddled off.

All vaccination by the government via Mor Prom is recorded and paperwork is issued automatically.

 

[HappyExpat57]

Just now, TooMuchTime said:

People forget that science is mutable and should always be questioned.  I have noticed many people here think reading a news article headline and posting it as fact is "following science". 

That is the very definition of science - come up with a hypothesis, question it, test it, and come up with facts/results. People who base their belief on Facebook/Youtube and the such are dangerous fools.

[FunkyDunky58]

i do know what is in hot dogs and that is why i do not eat them. since you like to talk about past vaccines please do some research on the polio vaccine and how many lives it destroyed in its early days. Also these vaccines were not rushed to market like these ones have. i respect your decision to conform to your governments mandates but i reserve the right to decline. 

[Smokey and the Bandit]

14 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

No anti vaxxer, but listening. And I hear:

This data says nothing. You need to know the percentage of fully vaxxed, half vaxxed and non vaxxed people and set it into relation.

What a BS

Correct, you would also need to know the ages of the people who died and if they had pre existing conditions!

[David T Pike]

10 hours ago, mahtin said:

Take vit d? Not enough sun for you here?

There are many here who avoid the sun. Older folk are more susceptible to skin cancer. Myself? I take vitamin D due to a liver transplant. I would not rely on the sun for your vitamin D....

 

[Kirb46Lam]

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As of today 27M adults have had their first shot. There are 55M adults in Thailand. That's about half the adult population. People are getting vaccinated at a rate of 666k a day (yesterday's figures) with numbers in the high hundreds of thousands every day other than Saturday and Sunday. The rollout is happening. In the next couple of days, the majority of adults WILL have had their first shot.

And the people who registered and paid for Moderna. 

Now arriving some time next year 

We'll be last on the list to get vaccinated

Or dead sometime next year

not an anti-vaxxer ????

[paul1804]

14 hours ago, dinsdale said:

So from this figure of over 84% (not sure what over actually means in numbers/%) unvaccinated and 7.2% with one jab died then around 8.8% with two jabs have died. Sorry this doesn't make sense.

Actually it does make sense if the figures are accurate??? its very much like the rest of the planet. People with pre existing health issues are vulnerable, average age of those who died is 67 with 12,239 of the 13,637 had pre existing health issues which is a little over 11%. Those unvaccinated 84%, 1 x vaccine shot 7.2% & 2 x vaccine shots 8.8%. We know they often publish completely inaccurate figures but they are not unlike the rest of the planet so maybe they are close to the mark. About 90% of covid related fatalities in the USA are unvacinnated people and like Thailand most have pre existing conditions and are elderly.     

[Antonymous]

39 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

The majority of us are not "unquestioning." We believe in that science thing. FULL of questions and answers based on facts.

Since when did ‘science’ become an all knowing God? Since when did ‘science’ become elevated to a position of unquestioning belief and following?

 

How about the FDA? Do you believe that they follow the ‘science’? If so do you throw scorn at those who question public policy based on FDA approval and directions because they are ‘unbelievers’?

 

Sadly this is what it has come to.

 

Let’s look at the FDA for a moment. It is not the bastion of integrity and honesty that we might hope for in a regulating agency and they have a history of making serious blunders in the drugs that they approve, all based on ‘science’ of the day. Here’s a quote from a recent New York Times article that addresses this:

 

“Since the 1980s, the F.D.A. has been approving more new drugs, at a faster pace, and with fewer and weaker studies to support their safety and effectiveness. The agency has also been faulted for poor oversight of the clinical trials used to decide whether or not a drug is safe.  

 

Both Donald Trump and President Biden have referred to F.D.A. approval as the “gold standard” of drug safety. It is a pretty tarnished gold.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/02/opinion/fda-drug-approval-trust.html

 

And this. Please read this carefully and then perhaps re-assess your judgement of those who are skeptical:

 

“Researchers at the Yale School of Medicine found that nearly a third of those approved from 2001 through 2010 had major safety issues years after the medications were made widely available to patients.

 

Seventy-one of the 222 drugs approved in the first decade of the millennium were withdrawn, required a "black box" warning on side effects or warranted a safety announcement about new risks, Dr. Joseph Ross, an associate professor of medicine at Yale School of Medicine, and colleagues reported in JAMA on Tuesday.”

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/05/09/527575055/one-third-of-new-drugs-had-safety-problems-after-fda-approval

[TooMuchTime]

11 minutes ago, Antonymous said:

Since when did ‘science’ become an all knowing God? Since when did ‘science’ become elevated to a position of unquestioning belief and following?

 

How about the FDA? Do you believe that they follow the ‘science’? If so do you throw scorn at those who question public policy based on FDA approval and directions because they are ‘unbelievers’?

 

Sadly this is what it has come to.

 

Let’s look at the FDA for a moment. It is not the bastion of integrity and honesty that we might hope for in a regulating agency and they have a history of making serious blunders in the drugs that they approve, all based on ‘science’ of the day. Here’s a quote from a recent New York Times article that addresses this:

 

“Since the 1980s, the F.D.A. has been approving more new drugs, at a faster pace, and with fewer and weaker studies to support their safety and effectiveness. The agency has also been faulted for poor oversight of the clinical trials used to decide whether or not a drug is safe.  

 

Both Donald Trump and President Biden have referred to F.D.A. approval as the “gold standard” of drug safety. It is a pretty tarnished gold.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/02/opinion/fda-drug-approval-trust.html

 

And this. Please read this carefully and then perhaps re-assess your judgement of those who are skeptical:

 

“Researchers at the Yale School of Medicine found that nearly a third of those approved from 2001 through 2010 had major safety issues years after the medications were made widely available to patients.

 

Seventy-one of the 222 drugs approved in the first decade of the millennium were withdrawn, required a "black box" warning on side effects or warranted a safety announcement about new risks, Dr. Joseph Ross, an associate professor of medicine at Yale School of Medicine, and colleagues reported in JAMA on Tuesday.”

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/05/09/527575055/one-third-of-new-drugs-had-safety-problems-after-fda-approval

Also in regards to the FDA and CDC you should look at the relationship between megacorps execs/board members and those in executive roles at the FDA/CDA.  There is some buddy buddy when it comes to drugs and sometimes they like to bounce between the two like Scott Gottlieb

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/27/former-fda-commissioner-scott-gottlieb-joins-pfizers-board.html

 

Don't worry though, they are working in your best interest and not to make certain people rich.

Edited September 14, 2021 by TooMuchTime

[Midwit]

15 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

Anti vaxxers, are you listening? 

https://bestlifeonline.com/news-covid-obesity/
 

far people are you listening?  You have had 1.5 years to shed some weight. At this point it’s pretty much 100% on you to move your ass instead of blaming the non vaxxed for your fear. It’s not up to me to protect your health the same as it’s not up to you to get the jab for my health. If the vax works to protect you then why does it matter to you about me?  Don’t give the useless drivel about public health. It’s an individual issue. Don’t give the drivel about protecting the health care system. It’s designed to always be near capacity. A hospital that sits empty will go out of business. 

[DefaultName]

I'm fat but vaccinated.  My biggest worry right now is the coming "bad air season".  Anyone with any breathing issues is at risk then.  Covid just multiplies the risk.