glegolo18 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 I am wondering about 2 things in respect of changing VISA inside Thailand as well as insurance for the both of them Can you plse help me out, that would really be great; a - I friend of mine told me that immigration in Lppburi told him that they can help him to change his present Extension of stay based on retirement to an Extension of stay based on marriage. I understand that, and I know that is no big deal actually!!! He is having in his passport a Non Immigrant O-A, that this present extension is based on,,,, But now the thing I need to ask you guys..... They also told him that he will be off the insurance and do NOT need any insurance, if he let them change to extension based on marriage based still on the very same O-A??? Is this true.......??? b - Is it possible that they can change a O-A to a Non Imm O and add an extension based on marriage next time he is upp for renewal????? Thanks for your input, Glegolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 a. His extension will still be based upon the old O_A visa...but for marriage inexplicably insurance is not required. b. cannot change from OA to O in Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchadian Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Medical insurance plus Covid-19 cover is not compulsory in Thailand. It's only when you exit Thailand and return then all foreigners, regardless of visa/extension types will require $50,000 Medical insurance with Covid-19 coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, anchadian said: Medical insurance plus Covid-19 cover is not compulsory in Thailand. Medical insurance is if you have a Non-OA visa and want to apply for a extension of stay based upon retirment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glegolo18 Posted November 6, 2021 Author Share Posted November 6, 2021 As said, he have today and valid to may 2022 extension based on retirement.... Is he still OK and need no insurance in spite of that damn O-A???? glegolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glegolo18 Posted November 6, 2021 Author Share Posted November 6, 2021 Just now, ubonjoe said: Medical insurance is if you have a Non-OA visa and want to apply for a extension of stay based upon retirment. medical insurance, what is that more exactly?? Coverage??? Amount?? glegolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, tonray said: a. His extension will still be based upon the old O_A visa...but for marriage inexplicably insurance is not required. It is really simple to understand, A extension of stay based upon marriage does not require insurance to apply for it. Same if you entered on a non-o visa and applied for an extension based upon retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrJack54 Posted November 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, anchadian said: Medical insurance plus Covid-19 cover is not compulsory in Thailand. It's only when you exit Thailand and return then all foreigners, regardless of visa/extension types will require $50,000 Medical insurance with Covid-19 coverage. For extensions from a non O-A based on retirement a requirement is 40/400 medical insurance from Thai company. However extensions from non O-A based on marriage do not require this insurance. Pointed out by @tonray For those not married the only solution to avoid this nonsense insurance is to kill off the non O-A and obtain a non O. That cannot be done inside Thailand. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: It is really simple to understand, A extension of stay based upon marriage does not require insurance to apply for it. Same if you entered on a non-o visa and applied for an extension based upon retirement. Not quite simple to understand how a married 50+ expat does not require insurance when a retired one does..is there some basis in health stats historically to support this ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, glegolo18 said: medical insurance, what is that more exactly?? Coverage??? Amount?? If you have a Non-OA visa issued by a embassy or official consulate insurance it requjired. If it was issued prior to October of this year you only need the insurance mentioned here. https://longstay.tgia.org/guidelineoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glegolo18 Posted November 6, 2021 Author Share Posted November 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: It is really simple to understand, A extension of stay based upon marriage does not require insurance to apply for it. Same if you entered on a non-o visa and applied for an extension based upon retirement. a - BUT in his case he has entered for 3 years ago with a O-A and have a present extension retirement valid up to may 2022.... Does he need any insurance whatsoever if he continues applying for retirement???? b - AND you say that if he have a non immigrant O-A in the passport and choose to change to extension of stay to marriage, he does NOT need any insurance???? glegolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, tonray said: Not quite simple to understand how a married 50+ expat does not require insurance when a retired one does..is there some basis in health stats historically to support this ? For retirement is only needed if you a OA visa issued by a embassy or official consulate. I think they want it for that visa since they consider those that have one are more likely to stay here full time and could easily just leave to dodge a hospital bill. Those married to a Thai have a lot more ties to Thailand than somebody just here on a OA visa and a extension of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, tonray said: Not quite simple to understand how a married 50+ expat does not require insurance when a retired one does..is there some basis in health stats historically to support this ? I agree.... Also while I'm at it the financial requirements difference between retirement and marriage is ridiculous to say the least. I'm in a 10 yr relationship (not married) ......if I was single I would need to donate to a charity as cost of living would drop so dramatically. A married guy puts 200k (Edit: typo meant 400k as pointed out by UJ later) in bank for couple of months and us retired suckers maintain much higher amount all year. Rubbish. Edited November 6, 2021 by DrJack54 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, ubonjoe said: For retirement is only needed if you a OA visa issued by a embassy or official consulate. I think they want it for that visa since they consider those that have one are more likely to stay here full time and could easily just leave to dodge a hospital bill. Those married to a Thai have a lot more ties to Thailand than somebody just here on a OA visa and a extension of it. Extending that logic the difference between a 50+ OA extension and a 50+ O extension for retirement would be ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, DrJack54 said: A married guy puts 200k in bank for couple of months It is 400k baht in the bank not 200k. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said: Also while I'm at it the financial requirements difference between retirement and marriage is ridiculous to say the least. The primary reason for it being lower than retirement is the Thai wife can work or own a business to earn money to support the family. Another reason is that is it issued for humanitarian reasons not retirement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: Those married to a Thai have a lot more ties to Thailand than somebody just here on a OA visa and a extension of it Interesting mind set. I would suggest my 10 yr live together relationship along with purchase of property etc stacks up as "ties to Thailand" against any married chap. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchadian Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 22 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: Medical insurance is if you have a Non-OA visa and want to apply for a extension of stay based upon retirment. Of course, I was referring to Non O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, DrJack54 said: Interesting mind set. I would suggest my 10 yr live together relationship along with purchase of property etc stacks up as "ties to Thailand" against any married chap. Same for my 6 year deal...it's not based upon logic with Thai authorities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glegolo18 Posted November 6, 2021 Author Share Posted November 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, tonray said: Same for my 6 year deal...it's not based upon logic with Thai authorities. I think both of you shoot over the gool. U.Joe was expressing how it is overall, not for you 2 guys in particular.. Exceptions are never any good base for opinions.. glegolo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
userabcd Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, DrJack54 said: I agree.... Also while I'm at it the financial requirements difference between retirement and marriage is ridiculous to say the least. I'm in a 10 yr relationship (not married) ......if I was single I would need to donate to a charity as cost of living would drop so dramatically. A married guy puts 200k (Edit: typo meant 400k as pointed out by UJ later) in bank for couple of months and us retired suckers maintain much higher amount all year. Rubbish. To solve your quandary they (immi) should then insist and make law on a uniform 800K in bank account and medical insurance for all foreigners temporarily in Thailand on non O retirement or marriage, O-A retirement? Perhaps they should also increase the retirement age as 50 seems a bit low for most countries for persons at that age to retire. Edited November 6, 2021 by userabcd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, userabcd said: To solve your quandary they (immi) should then insist and make law on a uniform 800K in bank account and medical insurance for all foreigners temporarily in Thailand on non O retirement or marriage, O-A retirement? Certainly those doing extensions from a non O-A have been shafted. Might be incorrect but I think Phuket imm does not insist on the nonsense insurance. Personally don't think it was intended for those that had a non O-A pre dating that requirement. Stinks. As for married vs retirement the financials should be exactly the same. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
userabcd Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Just now, DrJack54 said: Certainly those doing extensions from a non O-A have been shafted. Might be incorrect but I think Phuket imm does not insist on the nonsense insurance. Personally don't think it was intended for those that had a non O-A pre dating that requirement. Stinks. As for married vs retirement the financials should be exactly the same. Why? your personal feelings of envy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, userabcd said: Perhaps they should also increase the retirement age as 50 seems a bit low for most countries for persons at that age to retire. If they increase it, it's a catch 22..then people won't qualify for insurance....you can't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, userabcd said: Why? your personal feelings of envy. Neither. I prefer logic. Different financials for marriage vs retirement extensions has no logical basis. As usual everyone has their own opinion. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JimGant Posted November 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, tonray said: Not quite simple to understand how a married 50+ expat does not require insurance when a retired one does..is there some basis in health stats historically to support this ? Apparently having a wife improves your health. And if she's young and pretty, your cardiovascular numbers improve dramatically. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, JimGant said: Apparently having a wife improves your health. And if she's young and pretty, your cardiovascular numbers improve dramatically. Inversely proportional to your bank balance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonray Posted November 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, JimGant said: Apparently having a wife improves your health. And if she's young and pretty, your cardiovascular numbers improve dramatically. I think that logic works also with the O vs OA retirement extensions. The people on O visas never have to stress about insurance so they naturally are less likely to need it. ???? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, tonray said: I think that logic works also with the O vs OA retirement extensions. The people on O visas never have to stress about insurance so they naturally are less likely to need it. ???? Indeed i feel very relaxed in 2 way... 1) single 2) 800k on Th. bank , 5 minutes at immigration yearly for only 1900baht + 200 Thb. fee bank letter ???? Edited November 6, 2021 by david555 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 hours ago, glegolo18 said: a - BUT in his case he has entered for 3 years ago with a O-A and have a present extension retirement valid up to may 2022.... Does he need any insurance whatsoever if he continues applying for retirement???? b - AND you say that if he have a non immigrant O-A in the passport and choose to change to extension of stay to marriage, he does NOT need any insurance???? glegolo Yes and Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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