U.S. Topic -- Predictions for the Kyle Rittenhouse Trial?

[Jingthing]

OK, this isn't an O.J. trial and it's not the trial of the century or the trial of the decade, but it's definitely one of trials of this year anyway.

 

Have y'all been watching this trial?

 

Biased retro judge auditioning for a job on cable tv.

Erring prosecutor.

Defendant that takes the stand, and cries and cries.

 

Did you find the crying authentic or totally staged and fake?

 

 

What do you think the verdicts will be?

 

I predict he will be found not guilty based on self defense on all the most serious charges but will be convicted on one of the lesser charges related to excessive force. That or he will totally walk. I don't know the hung jury or mistrial rules in Wisconsin so something like that might happen too. However, I will be shocked if he's convicted on the most serious charges.

 

I think the crying was a totally coached act but word is the jury was moved by it, and having him testify was obviously a gamble the defense took that will probably pay off. 

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Jingthing

[Captain Monday]

Acquittal (of any serious charge). People will riot again. Nothing will ever change to the rigged justice system, for generations. The "so called Judge" is a deeply biased racist who for the entire trial has kept his white thumb on the scale. He trolls the country with Lee Greenwood's  "God Bless the USA" Trump rally and supremacist anthem as his ringtone.

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Captain Monday

[Jingthing]

Well I think the jury needs to think about his intentions when he stupidly walked out into the crowd with a rifle. Was it to murder people? I think he's proven that it wasn't. Was it really only to act as a medic (which he lied by claiming he was but wasn't)? If it was purely to act as medic, why carry a rifle? I think his motivation may have been partly to act as a medic but also some kind of psychological image of himself as a vigilante hero to somehow change the behavior of the protesters. I think it's too bad they can't convict him on first degree stupidity just for entering that crowd with his rifle in the first place (and his mother as well for allowing her 17 year old to get involved in such things). 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Jingthing

[lannarebirth]

I agree with your take. Just imagine if the 500 National Guard troops about to be deployed had been deployed the night of the riots that precipitated this event. That's the US. Always time and money and outrage to deal with downstream events but never the will to prevent bad things from happening.

[cmarshall]

Part of the disgraceful conduct of this case is that Rittenhouse has not been charged for his violations of weapons laws.  He obtained his gun illegally since he was below the age for a license.  And he carried across state boundaries, which is probably another offense.  Rittenhouse has also associated with white supremacists.  It is probably fair that that fact could not be introduced into the case, but we the public are fully entitled to consider it.  

 

He may be convicted for shooting Huber who only had a skateboard and therefore did not pose a threat to Rittenhouse's life.

 

I hope that Huber and the families of the murder victims sue Rittenhouse and are able to seize whatever income Rittenhouse ever acquires.

[KhunLA]

Not guilty, as it was self defense.  Obvious from the testimony given.

[lannarebirth]

3 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

Part of the disgraceful conduct of this case is that Rittenhouse has not been charged for his violations of weapons laws.  He obtained his gun illegally since he was below the age for a license.  And he carried across state boundaries, which is probably another offense.  Rittenhouse has also associated with white supremacists.  It is probably fair that that fact could not be introduced into the case, but we the public are fully entitled to consider it.  

 

He may be convicted for shooting Huber who only had a skateboard and therefore did not pose a threat to Rittenhouse's life.

 

I hope that Huber and the families of the murder victims sue Rittenhouse and are able to seize whatever income Rittenhouse ever acquires.

 

One problem we have now is that people judge a person's guilt or innocence before the law on what they wish would happen rather than the actual law. It is not surprising given that the media often misrepresents events and relays opinions as facts. 

I believe he "may" be charged with a weapons violation if the rifle barrel s too short. He did not cross state lines with a weapon and I believe he met with the Proud Boys post the shooting event, so irrelevant. Precedent on the skateboard goes to an Olympia, WA cop shooting two kids because he "feared for his life". Shooting deemed justified.

 

Not that the law allows for it but my idea of a fair penalty would be stripping Rittenhouse of his right to carry any firearm for life thereby ensuring he never finds himself in a security or law enforcement role, ever.

[bendejo]

IMO, some kind of slap on the wrist.  Don't want to ruin the boy's life with a felony conviction, eh? 

Maybe a Hollywood career in his future after seeing his performance on the witness stand.  He would be great in the role of a sexual assault victim*.  But he may get to be such a victim in real-life, until he gets transferred to a prison with a strong Aryan Brotherhood presence.

 

He only bought the AR-15 because it looks cool.  Uh-huh.  On the other hand he did travel across state lines with it and headed to a place where he knew (and anyone who read the news knew) there was street violence.  Those meatballs who went to Michigan to kill the governor were busted for this, among other charges.  Letting him walk on this opens the door for the rest of them.

There is a movie called  Cuck  about a troubled lad like himself, recommended viewing even if watching it can be a uncomfortable experience.

 

*Bette Davis, great actress though she was, was not able to cry on demand.  This kid outdoes her.

 

 

[Jeffr2]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Not guilty, as it was self defense.  Obvious from the testimony given.

You need a better source for your news.  It was murder.  Plain and simple.  Premeditated at that.

[cmarshall]

3 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

One problem we have now is that people judge a person's guilt or innocence before the law on what they wish would happen rather than the actual law. It is not surprising given that the media often misrepresents events and relays opinions as facts. 

I believe he "may" be charged with a weapons violation if the rifle barrel s too short. He did not cross state lines with a weapon and I believe he met with the Proud Boys post the shooting event, so irrelevant. Precedent on the skateboard goes to an Olympia, WA cop shooting two kids because he "feared for his life". Shooting deemed justified.

 

Not that the law allows for it but my idea of a fair penalty would be stripping Rittenhouse of his right to carry any firearm for life thereby ensuring he never finds himself in a security or law enforcement role, ever.

I understand that since a citizen in WI has a right to carry an assault rifle that means that if his life is threatened then he has the legal right to use lethal force.  However, how could a kid who has no legal right to carry the weapon have the right to use it in self-defense?  I don't know the law on that, but it would make no sense to me.  It would seem logical that there is no legal right to use a weapon that was illegally obtained.

 

Indeed, the law does not allow for the punishment you suggest, although perhaps he could be put on probation for life which is probably not possible either.  Since WI does not have a "stand your ground law," Rittenhouse had a duty to withdraw and could be convicted on the basis of his failure to do so.  

 

WA ruling not a precedent for a WI court case.

[Jingthing]

Being on a jury is different than watching a trial on t.v. Speaking as someone that has been on a jury that probably should have been screened out but wasn't because I superfically ticked the boxes for an acceptable juror for both sides. This is a murder self defense defense. The prosecution had to.prove it wasn't self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. They didn't. But the excessive force charge is different.

Edited November 15, 2021 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Closing arguments!

 

 

[KhunLA]

18 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

I believe he "may" be charged with a weapons violation if the rifle barrel s too short.

That charge was dropped already since not a short barrel rifle.

[pomchop]

the biggest lie in usa (and thailand)....equal justice for all.

[EVENKEEL]

Riots will happen regardless the outcome. The nutters from both sides will show up, including the ones ready for a good old fashioned night of looting and destruction.

[lannarebirth]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Riots will happen regardless the outcome. The nutters from both sides will show up, including the ones ready for a good old fashioned night of looting and destruction.

That is just the way the media wants it, though I'm not sure it will come to pass. All this started by the media lying about a police shooting and the circumstances surrounding it. Then they lied about a "mostly peaceful protest" and the circumstances surrounding it. Then they lied about the circumstances surrounding the Rittenhouse shootings None of that is to say this wannabe kid should have been there that night in any capacity much less with a gun.

 

We are living through another yellow journalism age. "You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war" - William Randolph Hearst

[Jingthing]

I don't think there will be riots as a result of a verdict but there will be consequences.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

I haven't seen all the ins and outs but as an Australian it is just crazy that you guys can just decide to play out your hero fantasies by taking an AR15 out to the streets to protect the 'good' people. I think it was a good step that the judge allowed lesser charges as murder was unlikely. The fact that the judge wouldn't let the victims be called victims but let them be called looters didn't help. I think his crying was desirable for the defence but not fully staged. He is a little kid with a big gun. 

I think the racial point is relevant. Imagine if a black man turned up at a January 6 type thing and started shooting. 

Hopefully law changes about weapons come out of this. But not likely. I think he should get minimum 10 years. I'll think he'll get minimum 5. 

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by Fat is a type of crazy

[Jingthing]

Since I posted my prediction, there was a very big change in the jury instructions. The wacky judge that is the talk of the nation has allowed the jury to consider PROVOCATION by the defendant. This allowed the state to wind up the case with a stronger closing argument than they could have otherwise. While I still don't think the jury will convict on the most serious charges, but if they do, I wouldn't be shocked. I'm also kind of expecting the jury to hang on at least one charge. 

Edited November 16, 2021 by Jingthing

[Jeffr2]

On 11/15/2021 at 11:56 PM, EVENKEEL said:

Riots will happen regardless the outcome. The nutters from both sides will show up, including the ones ready for a good old fashioned night of looting and destruction.

One side will be protesting because of social injustice.  The other side will come armed to the teeth and ready for battle.  Just like Kyle.

[bbko]

Who openly bring a loaded AR15 to a mob-likedemonstration, patrolling the streets then claims self-defense when it's used?  He went looking for attention and he got it, he provoked it. 

[EVENKEEL]

11 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

One side will be protesting because of social injustice.  The other side will come armed to the teeth and ready for battle.  Just like Kyle.

I sincerely hope you don't believe that, but the sad truth is many do. 

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, bbko said:

Who openly bring a loaded AR15 to a mob-likedemonstration, patrolling the streets then claims self-defense when it's used?  He went looking for attention and he got it, he provoked it. 

Well put.  You don't go to a riot armed with a semi automatic gun unless you want to get into a fight.  Self defense?  BS.  Stay home and let the professionals deal with this.  Vigilantes help no one.

 

If you want to find out some more info on this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest_shooting

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I sincerely hope you don't believe that, but the sad truth is many do. 

You are aware of how this started, right?  The sad truth is many get their info from right wing media sites which distort what really was going on.  Hmm....

[The Cipher]

18 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You are aware of how this started, right?  The sad truth is many get their info from right wing media sites which distort what really was going on.  Hmm....

Out of curiosity, where do u get ur news?

[Jeffr2]

7 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

Out of curiosity, where do u get ur news?

Thai Visa!  Of course!!! LOL.  But seriously, for Thai related news, it's one of the best sites.

 

Mainly AP, Reuters, NPR, The NY Times.  CNN because they are not behind a fire wall, so it's easier to put up their content.  But it's definitely not my #1 source for news.  Just easier than some sites, and it's basically the same content.  Mostly. LOL

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/

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Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: USA (45/180 Press Freedom)
Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

Edited November 17, 2021 by Jeffr2

[Mac Mickmanus]

49 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

One side will be protesting because of social injustice.  The other side will come armed to the teeth and ready for battle.  Just like Kyle.

Any protests will be by people who will not be accepting the rule  of law .

    They will not be protesting seeking justice , they will be protesting because they do not accept justice .

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Any protests will be by people who will not be accepting the rule  of law .

    They will not be protesting seeking justice , they will be protesting because they do not accept justice .

Doesn't seem you understand why they were protesting.  I'm guessing you're a white guy.

[Mac Mickmanus]

On 11/15/2021 at 7:01 AM, Jeffr2 said:

You need a better source for your news.  It was murder.  Plain and simple.  Premeditated at that.

Although it isnt quite that simple 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

Doesn't seem you understand why they were protesting.  I'm guessing you're a white guy.

I was talking about any rioting that potentially may happen if Kyle gets a not guilty verdict .