Leader of Pro-Ivermectin Group Got Covid

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Pierre Kory, MD, one of the most vocal proponents of ivermectin, got COVID-19 in August, despite taking the anti-parasitic medication on a weekly basis to ostensibly prevent the disease, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported....

Kory had called ivermectin a "miracle drug" at the December 2020 Senate hearing, the Journal Sentinel reported. "If you take it, you will not get sick," he said.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95726?xid=nl_mpt_investigative2021-11-17

This is the guy who heads America's Frontline Doctors which group has been publishing weblinks with all sorts of misleading "evidence" about the effectiveness of Ivermectin.

Anyway, I'm sure now that once Ivermectin believers check out the veracity of this report, they will at least question their faith in it and the competence of Pierre Kory, MD.

 

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[Airalee]

Did he live?

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Just now, Airalee said:

Did he live?

Kory had called ivermectin a "miracle drug" at the December 2020 Senate hearing, the Journal Sentinel reported. "If you take it, you will not get sick," he said.

[Airalee]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Kory had called ivermectin a "miracle drug" at the December 2020 Senate hearing, the Journal Sentinel reported. "If you take it, you will not get sick," he said.

Maybe if he didn’t take it he would have gotten sicker.  Nobody knows.  Studies are needed.

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Just now, Airalee said:

Maybe if he didn’t take it he would have gotten sicker.  Nobody knows.  Studies are needed.

What don't you understand about this his claim that "If you take it, you will not get sick,"

[sungod]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

What don't you understand about this his claim that "If you take it, you will not get sick,"

He got covid, we got that. Is he sick?

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Just now, sungod said:

He got covid, we got that. Is he sick?

We don't actually know how he's doing. The guy isn't exactly forthcoming with information about himself. He refuses to say whether or not he's been vaccinated.

[Airalee]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What don't you understand about this his claim that "If you take it, you will not get sick,"

I heard the same about vaccines….until I didn’t.  So, other than trying to stir the pot, what’s your point?

[sungod]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

We don't actually know how he's doing. The guy isn't exactly forthcoming with information about himself. He refuses to say whether or not he's been vaccinated.

You accused me of speculating on another thread, maybe you should follow your own advice on this one since to your own admission you dont have any information.

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Just now, sungod said:

You accused me of speculating on another thread, maybe you should follow your own advice on this one since to your own admission you dont have any information.

What do you mean I don't have any information. Kory confessed that he got sick from covid. The same guy who claimed that "If you take Ivermectin, you won't get sick."

 

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5 minutes ago, Airalee said:

I heard the same about vaccines….until I didn’t.  So, other than trying to stir the pot, what’s your point?

Who did you hear it from? Who claimed that taking covid vaccines means you won't get sick? Certainly nobody who understood the results of Phase 3 trials made that claim.

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1 minute ago, placeholder said:

What do you mean I don't have any information. Kory confessed that he got sick from covid. The same guy who claimed that "If you take Ivermectin, you won't get sick."

 

You just said you dont know how he is doing, make your mind up.

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1 minute ago, sungod said:

You just said you dont know how he is doing, make your mind up.

He may still be suffering from the symptoms of long covid. Or he may have ahd long covid and now is better. Who knows?

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1 minute ago, placeholder said:

He may still be suffering from the symptoms of long covid. Or he may have ahd long covid and now is better. Who knows?

Nobody, so follow your own advice and stop speculating for points.

 

he may not be sick at all.

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1 minute ago, sungod said:

Nobody, so follow your own advice and stop speculating for points.

 

he may not be sick at all.

He said he got Covid in August. That's all he said. I'm not speculating at all. Just pointing out that he offered very minimal data. He may be fine now, he may not be fine now. We don't know. I'm just pointing out that he offered very limited information. But the information he did offer contradicted his claim that "If you take Ivermectin, you won't get sick."

[Scott]

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Dr. Kory, like most people, has the right to privacy about his medical condition, he has confirmed that he has Covid and that's all we know.   It's interesting that it has been repeatedly shown to be of no therapeutic value in treating Covid.  The main study that showed it did was found to have been less than truthful in their data.  

 

It's interesting that he joins two other high profile Ivermectin cheerleaders, Joe Rogan and Aaron Rodgers, both of whom also caught Covid.  

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w

 

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Dr. Kory, like most people, has the right to privacy about his medical condition, he has confirmed that he has Covid and that's all we know.   It's interesting that it has been repeatedly shown to be of no therapeutic value in treating Covid.  The main study that showed it did was found to have been less than truthful in their data.  

 

It's interesting that he joins two other high profile Ivermectin cheerleaders, Joe Rogan and Aaron Rodgers, both of whom also caught Covid.  

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w

 

He certainly has a legal right to privacy. But given his past comments about ivermection, and the damage this his comments have done, I don't think he has a moral right to it anymore.

[internationalism]

As a doc, and presumably actively involved in treating covid patients, his chances of getting it are much higher, than the other doctors. 
in italy during the 1st wave some 15% of total cases were medics, indeed. 
i use to take iver daily for 7 months, that was the last year. 
probably his weekly dosage was not often enough and not large enough. 
 

infection in august was 3 months ago, be a news now is a llitle timeline bending. 

 

do you get pleasure in denigrating doctors trying the best to their abilities to help patients?

do you get pleasure when they get sick, despite all the social distancing and hygienic measures in their workplace?

 

reminds me of dr anutin blaming mediix for getting infected

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6 minutes ago, internationalism said:

As a doc, and presumably actively involved in treating covid patients, his chances of getting it are much higher, than the other doctors. 
in italy during the 1st wave some 15% of total cases were medics, indeed. 
i use to take iver daily for 7 months, that was the last year. 
probably his weekly dosage was not often enough and not large enough. 
 

infection in august was 3 months ago, be a news now is a llitle timeline bending. 

 

do you get pleasure in denigrating doctors trying the best to their abilities to help patients?

do you get pleasure when they get sick, despite all the social distancing and hygienic measures in their workplace?

 

reminds me of dr anutin blaming mediix for getting infected

What don't you understand about this claim of Kory's?: "If you take it, you will not get sick,"

As for the rationalization that the dose wasn't high enough, this kind of thinking corresponds to what happens to cults when evidence confounds their beliefs. Instead of abandoning those beliefs, they just dig in all the more.

 

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[Airalee]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What don't you understand about this claim of Kory's?: "If you take it, you will not get sick,"

As for the rationalization that the dose wasn't high enough, this kind of thinking corresponds to what happens to cults when evidence confounds their beliefs. Instead of abandoning those beliefs, they just dig in all the more.

 

Nowhere in your linked article, or any others out there did I read that he “got sick”.  So your fear mongering is based upon pure speculation that you cannot prove.   
 

If his statement was that “you cannot contract Covid” then you might have a point.  But it wasn’t.  So, from what I can see, he could very well have been correct with his statement.

[Scott]

13 minutes ago, internationalism said:

As a doc, and presumably actively involved in treating covid patients, his chances of getting it are much higher, than the other doctors. 
in italy during the 1st wave some 15% of total cases were medics, indeed. 
i use to take iver daily for 7 months, that was the last year. 
probably his weekly dosage was not often enough and not large enough. 
 

infection in august was 3 months ago, be a news now is a llitle timeline bending. 

 

do you get pleasure in denigrating doctors trying the best to their abilities to help patients?

do you get pleasure when they get sick, despite all the social distancing and hygienic measures in their workplace?

 

reminds me of dr anutin blaming mediix for getting infected

There is nothing to indicate he was a frontline worker in covid cases.  His specialty is critical care ultrasonagraphy.   Much of his work appears to be administrative, but that said, at this late stage of the pandemic, he should have a pretty good handle on the protocols in dealing with Covid but even if he didn't, Ivermectin didn't help.

[FritsSikkink]

57 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Maybe if he didn’t take it he would have gotten sicker.  Nobody knows.  Studies are needed.

Any one with some common sense  knows it doesn't nothing to prevent Covid.

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8 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Nowhere in your linked article, or any others out there did I read that he “got sick”.  So your fear mongering is based upon pure speculation that you cannot prove.   
 

If his statement was that “you cannot contract Covid” then you might have a point.  But it wasn’t.  So, from what I can see, he could very well have been correct with his statement.

"Pierre Kory, MD, one of the most vocal proponents of ivermectin, got COVID-19 in August."

Covid-19 is not the virus. 

"COVID-19 is the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that emerged in December 2019."

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus

If you got a problem with that definition, take it up with Johns Hopkins.

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1 hour ago, Airalee said:

Maybe if he didn’t take it he would have gotten sicker.  Nobody knows.  Studies are needed.

As for studies are needed...

Here's a link to an article written by a medical researcher doing medical forensics. In this case he and authors examined the quality of various studies done on ivermectin. He noticed a trend...the higher the quality of a study, the less likely it was to support the case for Ivermectin.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/10/ivermectin-research-problems/620473/

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[internationalism]

46 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What don't you understand about this claim of Kory's?: "If you take it, you will not get sick,"

As for the rationalization that the dose wasn't high enough, this kind of thinking corresponds to what happens to cults when evidence confounds their beliefs. Instead of abandoning those beliefs, they just dig in all the more.

 

So i did take  it 7x more often and larger dose, than this doctor, but I dont mix up with sick people, in fact only with the closest family members. 
its a cult to publish news which is 3 months old. 
lets go back to 2015 to tell the whole world, that inventors of this short of miracle medicine got their nobel in medicine for saving billions of humans and the other mammals and which has a potential to also treat viruses, bacterias and even cancer (yes, please do check on use of this medicine documented by many research papers). 
i do also dont have any leaders, i know about this medicine long before it became trendy to have an opinion about it. 
Hence i know a lot and used it for long and in large volumes

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3 minutes ago, internationalism said:

So i did take  it 7x more often and larger dose, than this doctor, but I dont mix up with sick people, in fact only with the closest family members. 
its a cult to publish news which is 3 months old. 
lets go back to 2015 to tell the whole world, that inventors of this short of miracle medicine got their nobel in medicine for saving billions of humans and the other mammals 

I'm not disputing that ivermectin hasn't been extraordinarily beneficial to human in treating parasites. But it's a chemical. Not magic. And it's effectiveness in treating parasites has nothing to do with its effects on a virus.

Well, it may be indicative of a cult that the news that Kory got Covid 19 in August. The news was only released a day ago. Maybe because it was extremely damaging to his case and the basis on which Ivermectin is worshipped.

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Anyway, I'm sure now that once Ivermectin believers check out the veracity of this report, they will at least question their faith in it and the competence of Pierre Kory, MD.

 

Why would you think that?  The absence of any credible facts / evidence / reality hasn't stopped those kinds of folks from continuing to believe and advocate all kinds of absurd rubbish and misinformation.  Don't see that changing any time soon.

 

What happens when actual medical / scientific research challenges/refutes their unsubstantiated beliefs?

 

"When COVID research results in findings that people don't like, it may lead to ugliness directed at the researchers.

Shortly after presenting the [ivermectin] study, McMaster University researcher Edward Mills said he got death threats.

 

“Some people are very unhappy about the findings,” said Mills, a professor of health research methods, evidence and impact. “They believe the drug worked. It has kind of shaken their belief system. It makes them angry.”

 

Death threats were received by 15% of 321 responding scientists in several countries, including the U.S., who responded to an October survey conducted by the journal Nature. The scientists had given media interviews about COVID. Another 22% said they got threats of physical or sexual violence."

 

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/11/15/ivermectin-covid-sen-ron-johnson-medical-conspiracy-theory-aaron-rodgers-covid-19-pierre-kory/8473964002/

 

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[internationalism]

Just do google "ivermectin virus -covid -coronavirus" and search before March 2020 to see, that it's not only antiparasitic medicine. You can only look into scientific papers, to skip popular articles in magazines  

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59 minutes ago, internationalism said:

Just do google "ivermectin virus -covid -coronavirus" and search before March 2020 to see, that it's not only antiparasitic medicine. You can only look into scientific papers, to skip popular articles in magazines  

I linked to an article by an MD who does forensic research. He is highly qualified to pronounce on those studies. Yes there were a lot of studies. And most of them, according to him,  were quite shoddy. 

As he pointed out, just because an study gets published in a journal, that doesn't mean it's much of one. Lots of journals exist only to allow people to burnish their resumes. These journals are called open source. They actually charge the authors of a study in return for publishing their work. The best journals are supported solely by subscriptions or an endowment.

[internationalism]

32 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I linked to an article by an MD who does forensic research. He is highly qualified to pronounce on those studies. Yes there were a lot of studies. And most of them, according to him,  were quite shoddy. 

As he pointed out, just because an study gets published in a journal, that doesn't mean it's much of one. Lots of journals exist only to allow people to burnish their resumes. These journals are called open source. They actually charge the authors of a study in return for publishing their work. The best journals are supported solely by subscriptions or an endowment.

So hundreds and thousands of research for iver for multiple viruses done for 20-30 years around the world by hundreds of universities and hospitals gets invalidated by an article by some doctor whom you fully trust. 
so maybe try to search only on those trusted by you websites. Problem is, to get an access to those articles you need to pay in $$$$, so not really a solution for me. But do post some summaries proving by them that iver really doesn't work for any viruses and it's just an academic hoax. 
if there are junk research for iver, surely there must be some rebuttal in those quality subscription mags

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