Leader of Pro-Ivermectin Group Got Covid

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2 minutes ago, internationalism said:

So hundreds and thousands of research for iver for multiple viruses done for 20-30 years around the world by hundreds of universities and hospitals gets invalidated by an article by some doctor whom you fully trust. 
so maybe try to search only on those trusted by you websites. Problem is, to get an access to those articles you need to pay in $$$$, so not really a solution for me. But do post some summaries proving by them that iver really doesn't work for any viruses and it's just an academic hoax. 
if there are junk research for iver, surely there must be some rebuttal in those quality subscription mags

For one thing you ignore the negative studies. For another there were 2 allegedly huge studies that gave the most weight to the  pro ivermectin stance. Both those studies turned out to be fraudulent. 

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8 minutes ago, internationalism said:

if there are junk research for iver, surely there must be some rebuttal in those quality subscription mags

You are, of course, absolutely correct

Effect of Ivermectin on Time to Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19A Randomized Clinical Trial

 

In this randomized clinical trial that included 476 patients, the duration of symptoms was not significantly different for patients who received a 5-day course of ivermectin compared with placebo (median time to resolution of symptoms, 10 vs 12 days; hazard ratio for resolution of symptoms, 1.07).

Meaning  The findings do not support the use of ivermectin for treatment of mild COVID-19, although larger trials may be needed to understand effects on other clinically relevant outcomes.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389

 

Ivermectin for preventing and treating COVID‐19

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub2/full

 

And here's what happened in the case of this large study:

"One of the largest trials studying ivermectin for Covid-19 treatment, called the Together Trial, was halted by the data safety monitoring board on Aug. 6 because the drug had been shown to be no better than a placebo at preventing hospitalization or prolonged stay in the emergency room. Dr. Edward Mills, a professor at McMaster University who led the study, which enrolled more than 1,300 patients, said the team would have discontinued it earlier were it not for the level of public interest in ivermectin.

“The data safety person said, ‘This is now futile and you’re offering no benefit to patients involved in the trial,’” Dr. Mills said."

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/30/health/covid-ivermectin-prescriptions.html

[Puccini]

5 hours ago, Airalee said:

Did he live?

Dr. Kory is still alive and kicking and and now suggests doubling the dose of Ivermectin. I have been unable to find information regarding the the dose he took, only that he took it once a week.

 

Personally, I would not take Ivermectin.

[Puccini]

Following some further research I have found that Dr. Kory said he took 0.2 mg of Ivermectin once a week.

Source: https://www.techarp.com/science/dr-pierre-kory-ivermectin-covid-19/#:~:text=As he shared in his video testimonial%2C Dr. Kory was on the original I-MASK%2B protocol of 0.2 mg of ivermectin once a week

 

In the USA, Ivermectin was approved for human use in 1996 for the treatment of onchocerciasis (river blindness) and strongyloidiasis.

Source: https://www.thepharmaletter.com/article/usa-clears-ivermectin-for-human-use

 

The generally recommended dose appears to be 

—  for onchocerciasis, 150 µg/kg bodyweight as a single dose but treatment may be repeated every three to twelve month

—  for strongyloidiasis, 200 µg/kg bodyweight as a single dose without any need for additional doses.

Source: https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/ivermectin-oral-route/proper-use/drg-20064397

 

 

Edited November 18, 2021 by Puccini
Corrected a typographic error

[Mutt Daeng]

Dr. Kory should be well protected against ticks and mites though....

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, Airalee said:

Maybe if he didn’t take it he would have gotten sicker.  Nobody knows.  Studies are needed.

Studies have been done, this horse medicine does not provide any protection against COVID.

 

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/ivermectin-still-lacks-scientific-support-as-a-covid-19-drug-69049

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, Puccini said:

Following some further research I have found that Dr. Kory said he took 0.2 mg of Ivermectin once a week.

Source: https://www.techarp.com/science/dr-pierre-kory-ivermectin-covid-19/#:~:text=As he shared in his video testimonial%2C Dr. Kory was on the original I-MASK%2B protocol of 0.2 mg of ivermectin once a week

 

In the USA, Ivermectin was approved for human use in 1996 for the treatment of onchocerciasis (river blindness) and strongyloidiasis.

Source: https://www.thepharmaletter.com/article/usa-clears-ivermectin-for-human-use

 

The generally recommended dose appears to be 

—  for onchocerciasis, 150 µg/kg bodyweight as a single dose but treatment may be repeated every three to twelve month

—  for strongyloidiasis, 200 µg/kg bodyweight as a single dose without any need for additional doses.

Source: https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/ivermectin-oral-route/proper-use/drg-20064397

 

 

The possession of medical qualifications is no guard against delusion.

[Danderman123]

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95726
 

In a statement, Kory told the paper: "The most important event that occurred between my testimony [at Sen. Ron Johnson's (R-Wisc.) hearing on COVID-19 in December 2020] and my getting sick was the delta variant," pointing to Delta's higher viral load compared with previous variants.

 

Kory had called ivermectin a "miracle drug" at the December 2020 Senate hearing, the Journal Sentinel reported. "If you take it, you will not get sick," he said.

[Danderman123]

8 hours ago, internationalism said:

So i did take  it 7x more often and larger dose, than this doctor, but I dont mix up with sick people, in fact only with the closest family members. 
its a cult to publish news which is 3 months old. 
lets go back to 2015 to tell the whole world, that inventors of this short of miracle medicine got their nobel in medicine for saving billions of humans and the other mammals and which has a potential to also treat viruses, bacterias and even cancer (yes, please do check on use of this medicine documented by many research papers). 
i do also dont have any leaders, i know about this medicine long before it became trendy to have an opinion about it. 
Hence i know a lot and used it for long and in large volumes

It’s very difficult to convince someone who has faith in a medication that it doesn’t work.

 

So, let me ask you: what would it take to convince you that Ivermectin is ineffective against Covid infection?

[Danderman123]

9 hours ago, Airalee said:

Did he live?

Wrong question.

 

Dr Kory advocated Ivermectin as a prophylactic against Covid infection. His own experience tells us that it didn’t work.

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

It’s very difficult to convince someone who has faith in a medication that it doesn’t work.

 

So, let me ask you: what would it take to convince you that Ivermectin is ineffective against Covid infection?

You are presupposing the presence of rational thought. 

 

On the one hand there is zero evidence of Ivermectin being of any use at all in the fight against COVID while on the other hand there is substantial and verifiable evidence that the vaccines are safe and effective in reducing infection, transmission, the severity of illness, hospitalisations and deaths.

 

There is no rational thought process that concludes on taking Ivermectin and refusing the vaccine. 

 

 

[Credo]

14 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

It’s very difficult to convince someone who has faith in a medication that it doesn’t work.

 

So, let me ask you: what would it take to convince you that Ivermectin is ineffective against Covid infection?

I had a former neighbor who was a big fan of Hydroxychloroquine.  He was taking that until the Ivermectin craze came along.  He switched.  He got Covid.  He died.  Oh, and he found a doctor that prescribed both, so it was done under 'medical supervision'.  I think the family is contemplating suing the doctor.  That could be an interesting case.   

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, Credo said:

I had a former neighbor who was a big fan of Hydroxychloroquine.  He was taking that until the Ivermectin craze came along.  He switched.  He got Covid.  He died.  Oh, and he found a doctor that prescribed both, so it was done under 'medical supervision'.  I think the family is contemplating suing the doctor.  That could be an interesting case.   

Cast your mind back to the start of COVID discussions on this forum, we had daily threads on each miracle cure, information on where these could be bought, including maps and screenshots from 'street view'.

 

This stuff was spreading faster than the virus. 

[Danderman123]

Anyone here still believe in hydroxychloroquine? 

 

 

[Credo]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Cast your mind back to the start of COVID discussions on this forum, we had daily threads on each miracle cure, information on where these could be bought, including maps and screenshots from 'street view'.

 

This stuff was spreading faster than the virus. 

Well, this guy was late to that party.  He hung on to the idea that it was a hoax for a very, very long time.   

[internationalism]

8 hours ago, placeholder said:

For one thing you ignore the negative studies. For another there were 2 allegedly huge studies that gave the most weight to the  pro ivermectin stance. Both those studies turned out to be fraudulent. 

I am referring to all the studies on antiviral properties of iver done over the last tens of years in thousands, well before covid19. 
it worked for sars and mers

[internationalism]

32 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Anyone here still believe in hydroxychloroquine? 

 

 

And chloroquine and even related quinine. 
some countries included them on evidence for up to 6months for an official, and sometimes the only one treatment specific to covid19. 
something to do with absorbtion of zink on cellular level. 
 

a similar story with iver being included as one of or the only one offered for covid 19 now in some countries 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, internationalism said:

And chloroquine and even related quinine. 
some countries included them on evidence for up to 6months for an official, and sometimes the only one treatment specific to covid19. 
something to do with absorbtion of zink on cellular level. 
 

a similar story with iver being included as one of or the only one offered for covid 19 now in some countries 

I’ll wager the politicians and people with influence in these countries are not taking horse medicines and are themselves being vaccinated.

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, internationalism said:

And chloroquine and even related quinine. 
some countries included them on evidence for up to 6months for an official, and sometimes the only one treatment specific to covid19. 
something to do with absorbtion of zink on cellular level. 
 

a similar story with iver being included as one of or the only one offered for covid 19 now in some countries 

My question to you remains unanswered : what facts would convince you that these "cures" don't work?

 

[internationalism]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ll wager the politicians and people with influence in these countries are not taking horse medicines and are themselves being vaccinated.

Hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine, quinine, iver are not veterinarian medicines. 
you can buy all of them in thai pharmacies

Edited November 19, 2021 by internationalism

[internationalism]

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

My question to you remains unanswered : what facts would convince you that these "cures" don't work?

 

That the whole countries included them in an official treatment for covid

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, internationalism said:

Hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine, quinine, iver are not beterinarian medicines. 
you can buy all of them in thai pharmacies

Lots of things are available at Thai Pharmacies.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, internationalism said:

That the whole countries included them in an official treatment for covid

Name the countries.

 

[internationalism]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Lots of things are available at Thai Pharmacies.

So they are not veterinarian

[Danderman123]

10 minutes ago, internationalism said:

That the whole countries included them in an official treatment for covid

Name the countries

[internationalism]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Name the countries.

 

I am not a historian, but I do remember some of them. 
probably the best if you ask google or siri. 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, internationalism said:

So they are not veterinarian

THe subject of this thread is Ivermectin (a horse medicine).

 

It has uses in human medicine which are supported by scientific clinical trials.

 

None of those uses supported by scientific clinical trials include treatment or prevention of COVID.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, internationalism said:

I am not a historian, but I do remember some of them. 
probably the best if you ask google or siri. 

You made the claim.

 

It is for you to back it up.

 

Name the countries.

[300sd]

11 hours ago, placeholder said:

As for studies are needed...

Here's a link to an article written by a medical researcher doing medical forensics. In this case he and authors examined the quality of various studies done on ivermectin. He noticed a trend...the higher the quality of a study, the less likely it was to support the case for Ivermectin.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/10/ivermectin-research-problems/620473/

Of course the Atlantic and John Hopkins are funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. Gee I think he also controls many more newpapers around the world. Doesn't he own part of Pfizer? Of course that horse medicine is poison.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, 300sd said:

Of course the Atlantic and John Hopkins are funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. Gee I think he also controls many more newpapers around the world. Doesn't he own part of Pfizer? Of course that horse medicine is poison.

I hope for your own sake this is sarcasm.