Jump to content

Five on a motorcycle! Pick up driver flees scene after grandparents take children out - one dead, four injured


Recommended Posts

Posted

A few days ago it was a grandma with her grand daughter on a samlor -  Hit by a pickup at 3am.

Deaths involved. Driver fled the scene. 

 

 

A couple of days ago it was 3 boys - hitting pickup which was making a turn, at night time.

Deaths involved. Driver didn’t sleep the scene.

 

 

Today its grand parents and 3 children - hit by a pickup 

Deaths involve. Driver fled the scene.

 

 

All this utter carelessness on the roads. 

Were the rear lights of the motorcycle working ? - that would be a fair assumption with the vehicles that were hit from behind.

Was the driver of the pick-up drink ?? - that would be a fair assumption in the two cases were the driver fled.

Were any helmets worn by any of the victims ? - that may have made the difference.

  • Like 2
Posted
2 hours ago, sanuk711 said:

That's true, with 5 on the bike the back light (if it had one ) was sure to be covered.

If the back light wasn't working before the accident then it certainly wasn't post accident. We'll never know if it was working.

Posted
1 hour ago, robblok said:

You cannot escapre reality. But yes so many on a bike is not a responsible thing to do. However its a bit harsh judging those who have less money.

 

You can't be sure the folks on the motorcycle have less money than the car owner. We have 2 cars but my missus still likes her motorcycle. She's not poor. 

Posted
18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

For many there is no alternative. 

 

You can walk. You can cycle. You can ask someone for a lift. There's always an alternative. If Thais could drive to the toilet on a motorcycle they would. What did they use before motorcycles?

  • Like 1
Posted
7 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:
28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

For many there is no alternative. 

 

You can walk. You can cycle. You can ask someone for a lift. There's always an alternative. If Thais could drive to the toilet on a motorcycle they would. What did they use before motorcycles?

This response ignores the realities of every day life of the last 50 years - everyone has a motorcycle.... 

 

It cannot be expected that walking, cycling etc is a viable alternative, you may as well suggest they ride the buffalo down the road..... 

 

 

Additionally - would riding a bicycle or walking down a road be any safer when a drunk in a pickup isn’t watching where he is going ?

 

 

 

  • Like 2
Posted
27 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:
2 hours ago, sanuk711 said:

That's true, with 5 on the bike the back light (if it had one ) was sure to be covered.

If the back light wasn't working before the accident then it certainly wasn't post accident. We'll never know if it was working.

And therein lies the importance of a dash-cam (for all of us who drive)...  though in this case I suspect any dash-cam evidence may be rather self-incriminatory with the exception of perhaps higllgting the motorcycle did not (or may not have) had functioning rear lights. 

 

 

 

Posted
8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

It cannot be expected that walking, cycling etc is a viable alternative, you may as well suggest they ride the buffalo down the road..... 

 

Which is safer in Thailand? Walking, cycling, riding a buffalo or riding a overloaded motorcycle that may be not fit for the road with 5 people on it? I know the one I wouldn't select

Posted
1 hour ago, Henryford said:

OK that bad but if you can't afford a car, which many can't, what are you supposed to do?

 

 

Leave the kids at home.    Did Grand-dad have a licence?

  • Thanks 1
Posted
11 minutes ago, prakhonchai nick said:

Leave the kids at home.    Did Grand-dad have a licence?

What is the relevance of a licence ????   Would having a licence have prevented a pickup from hitting them all on the motorcycle ???

 

Leave the kids at home? would posters such as yourself not them argue that the kids were left unsupervised ?

 

Obviously in many cases there are alternatives, i.e. not travelling 5 up on a motorcycle at all. But is that a realistic alternative for a family when everyone around them and the whole of Thailand has being doing just that for over 5 years already ?????

 

The motorcycle is the form of family transport for the vast majority.....      its risky, the issue is a potentially drunk driver who fled the scene...

 

If the pick-up driver had hit the family while they were walking on the side of the road would the discussion then be asking if the Grandparents should have not stayed at home with the kids ? - where is that line ?

 

 

 

  • Like 2
Posted
1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

The only ’safe’ option is not to travel at all

That is your safest option. Along with don't go out on Thai roads after dark. There's always another option. Unfortunately it's the Thai way and usually that's the wrong way.

Posted
2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Obviously in many cases there are alternatives, i.e. not travelling 5 up on a motorcycle at all. But is that a realistic alternative for a family when everyone around them and the whole of Thailand has being doing just that for over 5 years already ?????

Just cuz everyone else does it doesn't make it right. Common sense tells you that.

Posted
4 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:
10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The only ’safe’ option is not to travel at all

That is your safest option. Along with don't go out on Thai roads after dark. There's always another option. Unfortunately it's the Thai way and usually that's the wrong way.

 

Thats a bit harsh.....  You would be right to argue from the technicality that there is always another option if ‘No option’ (i.e. not travelling) is the ‘other option’..... but it's not realistic.

 

Thailand does have a fare more Laissez-faire attitude towards road safety which is echoed by society in general - it is perhaps this which leads to the elevated levels of risk such as riding poorly, too slowly in the middle of the lane without lights etc driving while drunk etc...

 

 

However, when it comes to a family riding on a motorbike - I don’t see any realistic alternatives.

 

Its the same issue as cramming 30 schools kids in a baht bus..... 

 

 

  • Like 2
Posted
8 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:
13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Obviously in many cases there are alternatives, i.e. not travelling 5 up on a motorcycle at all. But is that a realistic alternative for a family when everyone around them and the whole of Thailand has being doing just that for over 5 years already ?????

Just cuz everyone else does it doesn't make it right. Common sense tells you that.

Thats somewhat of an elevated ‘ivory tower’ view......    The whole nation uses motorcycles as a form of family transport..... 

 

Would you have the government stop families using motorcycles as a form of Transport ??? 

As a society Thailand is not socio-economically advanced enough for that. 

 

The key issue is one which has been overpowered by the motorcycle safety aspect and that is the way people drive and ride......   i.e. drunks driving, people driving too fast, carelessly, not paying attention, not indicting, people also riding very poorly etc....

 

One of the key facets of all these accidents is usually booze / night time / Poor driver-rider education.........

 

 

  • Like 2
Posted
11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Its the same issue as cramming 30 schools kids in a baht bus..... 

And that is against the law but we're getting posters on here who side with the grandparents who caused these unwarranted death/injuries with breaking the laws. I suppose they're going to side with the minibus driver when 30 children get killed?

Posted
1 hour ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

And that is against the law but we're getting posters on here who side with the grandparents who caused these unwarranted death/injuries with breaking the laws. I suppose they're going to side with the minibus driver when 30 children get killed?

But thats a somewhat ‘black vs white’ view point.... 

 

The realities of living in a developed nation involve primarily ‘grey area’ its up to each and everyone of us how white and how dark we want that grey area to be for ourselves....

 

Sosome of us ride a motorcycle and live in a darker grey area, others wear flipflops and a crappy helmet, whereas others were a full face Shoei and riding gear.  Others will only travel by car preferring to live in a whiter grey area while accepting that it is still more risky than our home nations. 

 

Thais are not as fortunate, they have far less choice through economics and through poor government controls... i.e. local government does not put on school busses etc - just crams kids in to a baht-bus (Songthaew) or tolerates kids riding motorcycles to school....   Thailand authorities also ‘allow’ multiple riders / families on bikes because they know there is little alternative. 

 

 

Thus: When a motorcycle is wiped out by a drunk in a pickup, or a baht-bus full of school kids is taken out by a poorly maintained lorry with brake failure and a dabba’d up driver.....   who do we blame ?

 

Perhaps the tolerance of society for widely accepting such risks, or is the poor enforcement of DUI etc...   

 

Should we blame gramps for doing something he’s done all is is life, or the baht bus driver for providing a service ???? - I’m not so sure... 

 

Its definitely an imperfect system - when something does go wrong and tragedy strikes its usually because of a far greater flaw in the system - lack of policing of major issues (drunks / yabba’d lorry drivers / poorly maintained vehicles etc) - then we ask.... Did gramps have a licence ?? - thats kind of missing the issue.

 

 

  • Like 2
Posted
3 hours ago, cardinalblue said:

Why is this sad? This is thailand….you have drivers constantly speeding with no spatial awareness combined with sticking 5 people on a Honda wave….Both are selfish acts 

 

stupidity has consequences….so be it

You also have motorbikes with no rear lights... 60 baht for a bulb. 

Posted
6 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

All of the above is true but lets also not forget that 5 on a bike is also a little OTT .................

I have have seen 6 all young kids under aged on a new bike. Now if the parents don't care who does?

  • Like 1
Posted
1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Should we blame gramps for doing something he’s done all is is life, or the baht bus driver for providing a service ???? - I’m not so sure... 

Just cuz  'gramps' got away with it in the past doesn't make it right for him to carry on doing it  in the future. And that's why he carried on doing it. Nobody was stopping him. The police force in this country really need a bomb sticking up their asses.

Posted

sad. RIP. for those who died . did due to thai idiot driver .and he fled away  .unbelievable !!!!!

5 on a motor cycle designed for 2 max !!!  only in Thailand .IQ 1/10 

  • Like 1
Posted

A story from about 2 and a half years ago show how bad things here are.

 

Quote

 

BANGKOK — The Thai woman was riding on a motorcycle on her way to work when a pickup truck sideswiped her on a rural stretch of asphalt in northeastern Thailand. The truck’s driver was an off-duty police officer. He was drunk.

Orathai Chanhom, the motorcyclist, was catapulted off her bike and killed almost instantly in the crash.

The officer who struck her still has his police job. His driver’s license was not taken away. A court declined to sentence him to prison.

 

 

  • Like 1
Posted

It's a poor country people simply do not have the ability to buy a car particularly older people! 

Whilst I obviously cannot condone 5 on a motorcycle, it may well have been the case that the grandparents wanted to 'treat' their grandchildren.

Not an ideal situation and I seriously doubt if anyone was in possession of a current driving license or insurance, or indeed wearing helmets, but as I said there are a lot of poor people who simply cannot afford the things we take for granted.

The driver of the pick-up hasn't done anything unexpected, a 7 Yr girl in my wife's village was struck and killed by a hit and run driver whilst waiting for school bus, he was never traced.

Won't be the last case we hear of this year!

  • Like 1

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.




×
×
  • Create New...