2 Doses of Sinovac Followed by AstraZeneca/Pfizer Give High Immunity Against Omicron , Says Dr. Yong

[gearbox]

20 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

What happened to the 4th jab plan then for people who had already had two Sino's and a AZ Booster?

 

I thought they were starting on the 4th jab for the vulnerable - but no where is this on offer?

In Samui...and not for the vulnerable, more or less whoever wanted wanted the 4th shot got it. The 4th shot was Pfizer, my gf has 4 shots now and is definitely not vulnerable.

[catturd]

6 hours ago, ozimoron said:

ignorant attempt to imply that the vaccines "do nothing"

 

I will say that the vaccines are effective UNTIL they are not. To say otherwise is just nonsensical spin. Two dose mRNA and AZ provide ZERO/negitive protection (pfizer VE=0%, AZ: -20%) after 20 weeks and the pfizer booster jab wanes to 40% after 10 weeks.

If the vaccines are so effective why does BioNTech and pfizer recommend as a minimum now a 4th dose booster and announce they are working on a new omicron specific version.

Now go have a look at the pathetic mess in highly vaccinated AU (~78% 2 doses, ~20% boosters) and all the record setting covid infections (higher /capita than US) (more infections were recorded in the last seven days than in the 707 days since the country’s first case) there amongst a population with probably very low natural immunity.

Suffice to say, Omicron variant has changed the playing field, obviously, so must the covid mitigation and mgmt policies change in response, without new strategies AND effective vaccines and other treatments, immunity against covid may be a very long way away.

Edited January 18, 2022 by onthedarkside
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[connda]

2 Doses of Sinovac Followed by AstraZeneca/Pfizer Give High Immunity Against Omicron


Time will tell.  It does until it doesn't imho.  Thailand is behind the Omicron Covid curve (i.e., case spikes) as compared to places like the UK and US. 
Of course, if they simply stop reporting on cases the entire pandemic goes away
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April 2022: Thailand ends Covid reporting.
May 2022: Anutin Declares Thailand Covid-Free. 
Dec 2022: Anutin for PM / Dr. Yong for head of MoPH.

Edited January 18, 2022 by connda

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, catturd said:

 

Yet another effort to willfully ignore the single most important metric, that vaccines prevent serious illness in all variants of covid.

[EricTh]

13 hours ago, ozimoron said:

There was a period last year when Sinovac was the only vaccine available in Thailand. It would be fair to say that a few people went to their graves wishing they hadn't waited. Sinovac has proved to be effective against serious illness.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/sinovacs-covid-shot-highly-effective-against-serious-illness-malaysia-study-2021-09-24/

Just look at Covid statistics for Cambodia and Indonesia for past few months.

Edited January 18, 2022 by EricTh

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, EricTh said:

Just look at Covid statistics for Cambodia and Indonesia for past few months.

Cambodia has one of the highest rates of vaccination in the world, especially PP.

[HaoleBoy]

Quack  quack  quack      The junta's medical mouth-piece ...

[placnx]

18 minutes ago, EricTh said:

Just look at Covid statistics for Cambodia and Indonesia for past few months.

Please give a link. I've seen no headlines about those countries recently. Older news from Indonesia was not good concerning the Delta wave vs Sinovac.

[Uroller]

Best thing to do with all these opinions is to put them in a hat and then pick one out, just go with the one you pick????

[placnx]

It is known that prevention of infection & transmission is greatly reduced for people a few months after 2 jabs of mRNA vaccine, but they still have good chances of avoiding hospitalisation, etc, better than the unvaccinated.

[Phulublub]

14 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

That was strictly Thailands fault.

They still don't have enough vaccines on order to provide boosters to everyone.

 

 

HOW????  By buying up all available supply, the rich West denied any chance for the rest of the World.  And they haven't exactly fallen over themselves to help the Third World subsequently. 

 

Just a thought....walk into pretty much any pharmacy in the USA and you can have your choice of vaccine.  To enable this choice, just how many vaccine doses go out of date unused?  But hey, why vaccinate Africa, it's miles away, right?  BUT...Omiron started there and the next mutation may not be so benign.

 

PH

[MrJ2U]

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

HOW???? 

You place an order.

 

Thailand is a not a poor country.

 

Easy.

 

Now move along.

[onthedarkside]

A series of posts that made misleading claims, contained unsourced info without required weblinks, included flame comments, fair use violations and links to a non-credible "questionable source" website have been removed, along with ensuing replies.

 

When it comes to COVID vaccines, there's a difference between their ability to prevent any INFECTION vs their ability to prevent SERIOUS ILLNESS AND DEATH. Posts that attempt to conflate those two different aspects of vaccine effectiveness are misleading.

 

[Phulublub]

1 hour ago, MrJ2U said:

You place an order.

 

Thailand is a not a poor country.

 

Easy.

 

Now move along.

Placing an order is of no use whatever if there is no supply.  That there was very limited supply can firmly and squarely be laid at the door of the West.

 

Thailand (in common with much of the region) did very very well in the early stages in limiting the infection rates way better than the West...perhaps they therefore underestimated the need for immediate supplies....there were also the discussions with AZ to build a vaccine production facility (now up and running) which perhaps gave a false sense of security and they delayed ordering too many too soon. 

 

They were also given vaccines by China.  These are not as effective, but they were available.  The Thai knockers might like to stop and ponder to whom these were given, and who were prioritised for vaccination with the Western vaccines when they started arriving;  and who were still only offered Chinese vaccines for some considerable time thereafter.....

 

Since you appear to diss Thailand so much, can I suggest it is you who "moves along" to a Country more to your liking.

 

PH

[MrJ2U]

2 hours ago, Phulublub said:

Placing an order is of no use whatever if there is no supply.  That there was very limited supply can firmly and squarely be laid at the door of the West.

 

Thailand (in common with much of the region) did very very well in the early stages in limiting the infection rates way better than the West...perhaps they therefore underestimated the need for immediate supplies....there were also the discussions with AZ to build a vaccine production facility (now up and running) which perhaps gave a false sense of security and they delayed ordering too many too soon. 

 

They were also given vaccines by China.  These are not as effective, but they were available.  The Thai knockers might like to stop and ponder to whom these were given, and who were prioritised for vaccination with the Western vaccines when they started arriving;  and who were still only offered Chinese vaccines for some considerable time thereafter.....

 

Since you appear to diss Thailand so much, can I suggest it is you who "moves along" to a Country more to your liking.

 

PH

Place an order.

 

Thats how they got Sinovac. 

 

It actually costs more than Pfeizer.  And in the long run its been found to be less effective.

 

China isnt giving it away.

 

It was the same with masks,hand gel, alcohol.

 

They were shiping it to China and leaving the thai populace without a access.

Edited January 18, 2022 by onthedarkside
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[MrJ2U]

2 hours ago, Phulublub said:

That there was very limited supply can firmly and squarely be laid at the door of the West.

The people who created the vaccine.

Edited January 18, 2022 by onthedarkside
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[EricTh]

6 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Cambodia has one of the highest rates of vaccination in the world, especially PP.

And you don't think Singapore and Israel has a higher rate? Then why are their infection rate much higher?

 

If Sinovac were really useless, even if there is a high vaccination rate, the infection rate would go to more than 10,000 per day.

Edited January 18, 2022 by EricTh

[EricTh]

5 hours ago, placnx said:

Please give a link. I've seen no headlines about those countries recently. Older news from Indonesia was not good concerning the Delta wave vs Sinovac.

 

That was the time when Indonesia didn't have even 5 % fully vaccinated. Now that it has reached 50% fully vaccinated, the statistics are better.

 

Just look at the statistics when mass vaccination started in Sept 2021, it decreased dramatically and remained so.

 

Its statistics is even better than Thailand considering it has a larger population than Thailand.

 

Even with the Omicron, it only has  770 cases versus Thailand's 6,400 cases today. As for US , you can check the latest infection rate in Worldometer yourself.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/indonesia/

 

 

[ozimoron]

45 minutes ago, EricTh said:

And you don't think Singapore and Israel has a higher rate? Then why are their infection rate much higher?

 

If Sinovac were really useless, even if there is a high vaccination rate, the infection rate would go to more than 10,000 per day.

Cambodia has a low case load

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/cambodia/

[Lacessit]

10 hours ago, goldenbrwn1 said:

Watching Thai news this morning, it looks like Pfizer is the new bogeyman vaccine…Since the old lady that sadly passed it looks like Sinovac is the new golden boy and the government was right all along to stick with the CCP vaccine . Plenty of old lady’s (eating) with thumbs up because they didn’t drop dead from Sinovac on screen . ???? 

Sinovac is a killed virus vaccine, the technology behind those has been around for more than 70 years. No-one reports adverse events for vaccines such as polio, typhoid etc. because their incidence is vanishingly small. Except to anti-vaxxers, who make Everest out of every pimple.

It's undeniable Pfizer is producing adverse reactions in a small number of sensitive people. It's still a question of the greatest good for the greatest number.

 

[Dumbfounded]

2 Doses of Sinovac Followed by AstraZeneca/Pfizer   followed by 3 courses of Narcan to ween vaxers off their addiction after their 10th booster ????????????

[goldenbrwn1]

15 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Sinovac is a killed virus vaccine, the technology behind those has been around for more than 70 years. No-one reports adverse events for vaccines such as polio, typhoid etc. because their incidence is vanishingly small. Except to anti-vaxxers, who make Everest out of every pimple.

It's undeniable Pfizer is producing adverse reactions in a small number of sensitive people. It's still a question of the greatest good for the greatest number.

 

Yeh I agree. That was my point.

[EricTh]

On 1/18/2022 at 11:58 AM, connda said:

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Dec 2022: Anutin for PM / Dr. Yong for head of MoPH.

Dr Yong looks more like a political tool than a respected virologist. Take his words with a punch of salt.

[EricTh]

On 1/18/2022 at 7:18 PM, Lacessit said:

Sinovac is a killed virus vaccine, the technology behind those has been around for more than 70 years. No-one reports adverse events for vaccines such as polio, typhoid etc. because their incidence is vanishingly small. Except to anti-vaxxers, who make Everest out of every pimple.

It's undeniable Pfizer is producing adverse reactions in a small number of sensitive people. It's still a question of the greatest good for the greatest number.

 

I wouldn't call a few thousands in Thailand a 'small number'. There are also reported cases in other countries so when you add them all up, it's comes to a lot.

 

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, EricTh said:

I wouldn't call a few thousands in Thailand a 'small number'. There are also reported cases in other countries so when you add them all up, it's comes to a lot.

 

Non-conspiracy theorist link, please.

[Lacessit]

https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/wellbeing/2022/01/19/boosters-offer-better-protection/