Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[tgw]

GOOD NEWS !

 

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-03-23/card/russia-lost-up-to-40-000-troops-in-ukraine-nato-estimates-xyZjWxinMDHzdeRZvAeD

 

NATO: Up to 40,000 Russian Troops Killed, Wounded, Taken Prisoner or Missing in Ukraine

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, tgw said:

GOOD NEWS !

 

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-03-23/card/russia-lost-up-to-40-000-troops-in-ukraine-nato-estimates-xyZjWxinMDHzdeRZvAeD

Obviously not reported in iron media curtain Russia.

[RJRS1301]

4 hours ago, tgw said:

GOOD NEWS !

 

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-03-23/card/russia-lost-up-to-40-000-troops-in-ukraine-nato-estimates-xyZjWxinMDHzdeRZvAeD

 

NATO: Up to 40,000 Russian Troops Killed, Wounded, Taken Prisoner or Missing in Ukraine

I am not sure it is "good news" as such.

I am pleased Ukraine is defending the country, and hopefully peace and rebuilding will soon be achieved.

However these dead and injured were following orders of a dictator, they were sons, brothers, husbands, lovers and fathers, who now grieve them.

The deaths they have inflicted on the peaceful citizens of Ukraine is disgusting, and the result of a man who has no compassion or empathy.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Russia says sending international peacekeepers to Ukraine would be 'very reckless'

 

(Reuters) -Russia on Wednesday condemned what it called a "reckless" Polish proposal to send international peacekeepers into Ukraine and warned that it could lead to a direct clash between Russian and NATO forces.

 

Poland said last Friday it would formally submit a proposal for a peacekeeping mission in Ukraine at the next NATO summit.

 

Asked about the initiative, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: "It would be a very reckless and extremely dangerous decision."

 

(more)

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-says-sending-international-peacekeepers-to-ukraine-would-be-very-reckless/ar-AAVoXXP

 

Sending the ‘might’ of the Russian military to Ukrainian was also reckless.

[Berkshire]

3 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

I am not sure it is "good news" as such.

I am pleased Ukraine is defending the country, and hopefully peace and rebuilding will soon be achieved.

However these dead and injured were following orders of a dictator, they were sons, brothers, husbands, lovers and fathers, who now grieve them.

The deaths they have inflicted on the peaceful citizens of Ukraine is disgusting, and the result of a man who has no compassion or empathy.

 

If an invading force is committing atrocities on the local peoples, the excuse of "following orders" just doesn't cut it. 

[RJRS1301]

9 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

If an invading force is committing atrocities on the local peoples, the excuse of "following orders" just doesn't cut it. 

did i mention "following orders?"

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

did i mention "following orders?"

yes, it's not a defense to war crimes.

Edited March 24, 2022 by ozimoron

[Berkshire]

10 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

did i mention "following orders?"

Seriously?  From your post...."However these dead and injured were following orders of a dictator,...."

[ozimoron]

Although the Kremlin says its operation is going to plan, Russian forces have taken heavy losses, stalled on most fronts and face supply problems. They have turned to siege tactics and bombardments, causing huge destruction and many civilian deaths.

 

Blinken said there had been "numerous credible reports of indiscriminate attacks and attacks deliberately targeting civilians, as well as other atrocities".

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/invasion-milestone-ukraine-urges-solidarity-western-leaders-gather-2022-03-24/

[Bkk Brian]

Lots of rhetoric coming out of Russia state TV on using tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine promoting their use. This sort of provocative language would only be used if things are not going their way so imo its a very clear indication of just how badly their so called Special Operation invasion has gone Its failed in its original objectives and they are now bogged down defending their positions, losing ground in some area's and continuing their only course of action which is bombing indiscriminately residential areas often from missile strikes from within Russia itself.

 

Ukraine's forces are "increasing pressure" on Russian troops occupying the region north-east of Kyiv, according to the latest intelligence assessment from the UK Ministry of Defence. Ukraine is continuing to carry out "successful counter attacks" on Russians outside the capital, the report says, and the Ukrainians have probably retaken the towns of Makariv and Moschun. "There is a realistic possibility that Ukrainian forces are now able to encircle Russian units in Bucha and Irpin," assesses the MoD. British military officials note that Russian troops along the axis north-east of Kyiv are facing "considerable supply and morale issues".

 

Ukrainian forces have pushed Russian forces back on the frontlines east of Kyiv, a senior US defense official told reporters. Russian forces are now about 55 km from Kyiv’s city center, meaning Ukrainian forces pushed Russian forces back by about 25-35 km in one day.

 

Video: The Times’s Visual Investigations team analyzed dozens of battlefield radio transmissions between Russian forces during an initial invasion of the town of Makariv, outside Kyiv. They reveal an army struggling with logistical problems and communication failures.

 

The Ukrainian Armed Forces surround Russian troops in the Kyiv Oblast near Irpin, Bucha and Hostomel. Makariv, Bucha, Irpin, Dmitrov communities remain under constant enemy fire

 

Ukraine air defense forces claim excellent day: 11 shoot-downs in 24 hours. Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) air defense units had one of their most successful days yet in Kyiv’s almost month-long defense against Russian Federation invasion, an air defense command spokesman said in a Wednesday, March 23, statement. Ukrainian air defense units, jet interceptor pilots and even infantry armed with short-range missiles teamed up on Tuesday to knock down RF air force aircraft including five combat jets, one helicopter, four unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) and one ballistic missile, said air force spokesman Yury Ihnat.

[Bkk Brian]

The Russian army uses almost all suitable airfields in Belarus, Russia and the occupied Crimea for the war against Ukraine.

 

From there, Russian aviation bombs military and civilian targets, fires missiles at Ukraine, makes landings, uses helicopters, Radio Svoboda reports, citing military experts who, along with journalists, analyzed satellite images and assessed the presence of various types of aircraft at airfields in Belarus, western Russia and the Russian-aoccupied Crimean peninsula.

The most used are two military airfields in the occupied Crimea: in Saky and Belbek. The less used ones are near Dzhankoi, Gvardiiske and Kacha.

More than 40 bombers were spotted at Morozovsk airfield in Rostov region

[JetsetBkk]

"Zelensky concedes Ukraine will not join Nato

‘It’s a truth and it must be recognised,’ says Ukrainian leader"

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-conflict-nato-russia-b2037181.html

 

 

Took him long enough.

[Seppius]

55 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

"Zelensky concedes Ukraine will not join Nato

‘It’s a truth and it must be recognised,’ says Ukrainian leader"

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-conflict-nato-russia-b2037181.html

 

 

Took him long enough.

This invasion goes way beyond the issue of Ukraine joining NATO

[RJRS1301]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

yes, it's not a defense to war crimes.

I said following orders of a dictator, I also stated

"The deaths they have inflicted on the peaceful citizens of Ukraine is disgusting, and the result of a man who has no compassion or empathy.

The above seems to have been ignored by those responding to the post.

 

I am in no way condoning nor ameliorating  the actions of war crimes . Perhaps the interpretation taken is not the intention of the post, in any way shape or form 

 

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, Seppius said:

This invasion goes way beyond the issue of Ukraine joining NATO

Exactly.

War criminal Putin doesn't accept Ukraine's existence as a sovereign nation NATO or not.

[ozimoron]

33 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

I said following orders of a dictator, I also stated

"The deaths they have inflicted on the peaceful citizens of Ukraine is disgusting, and the result of a man who has no compassion or empathy.

The above seems to have been ignored by those responding to the post.

 

I am in no way condoning nor ameliorating  the actions of war crimes . Perhaps the interpretation taken is not the intention of the post, in any way shape or form 

 

Then, what was the point of your comment that his troops were only "following orders" if not to somehow excuse them of culpability? We know from history that this excuse has been a go to defense for war crimes. Calley used it in his defense in the My Lai massacre trial.

[Bkk Brian]

WHO says 64 hospitals attacked since Russian invasion of Ukraine

UN agency condemns attacks in ‘strongest possible terms’ and notes attacks on health facilities are a breach of international law.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/24/who-says-64-hospitals-attacked-since-russia-invasion-of-ukraine?

[RJRS1301]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Then, what was the point of your comment that his troops were only "following orders" if not to somehow excuse them of culpability? We know from history that this excuse has been a go to defense for war crimes. Calley used it in his defense in the My Lai massacre trial.

Following orders to invade,  not to commit war crimes.

Read and comprehend the entire post

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, RJRS1301 said:

Following orders to invade,  not to commit war crimes.

Read and comprehend the entire post

ok, but isn't that self evident? Which army ever invaded without orders? That's a tautology.

[RJRS1301]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

WHO says 64 hospitals attacked since Russian invasion of Ukraine

UN agency condemns attacks in ‘strongest possible terms’ and notes attacks on health facilities are a breach of international law.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/24/who-says-64-hospitals-attacked-since-russia-invasion-of-ukraine?

May those responsible be hauled before a war crimes commission, although since Russia withdrew their signature from the ICC, very little chance Putin or anyone else being held responsible.

Sanctions affect the average person more than those in charge, however it may bring an internal coup and a Ceaușescu style sentencing, or shipped to Ukraine for trial

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, pudd said:

Where do you get this idea from? I would like to see some evidence of your claims. Until you do, your story is just that, a "story".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/23/kyiv-ukraine-nuclear-weapons-attacks-russia-kremlin-state-tv-propaganda/

[ozimoron]

I'm not vouching for the accuracy of the Telegraph ????

[tgw]

10 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

I am not sure it is "good news" as such.

 

it is good news.

only heavy losses are likely to make Putin and Russia stop.

the more invaders Ukraine manages to kill, wound or make surrender, the better for Ukraine.

[Chris.B]

1 hour ago, tgw said:

it is good news.

only heavy losses are likely to make Putin and Russia stop.

the more invaders Ukraine manages to kill, wound or make surrender, the better for Ukraine.

I agree.

[Bkk Brian]

Excellent news!

 

Russian Navy ship destroyed at southern port - Ukraine military

 

The Ukrainian military says a large Russian ship has been destroyed near the southern port city of Berdyansk.

In a post on Facebook, Ukraine's Navy says a large landing vessel - the "Orsk" - was hit and set ablaze in the Sea of Azov this morning.

"The Orsk large landing ship of the Black Sea Fleet of the occupiers has been destroyed in the port of Berdyansk captured by Russia," the post says.

Ukrainian media report that one Russian ship has sunk and two others are on fire, and that an ammunition depot and a fuel warehouse were hit.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60856533

[Chris.B]

29 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Excellent news!

 

Russian Navy ship destroyed at southern port - Ukraine military

 

The Ukrainian military says a large Russian ship has been destroyed near the southern port city of Berdyansk.

In a post on Facebook, Ukraine's Navy says a large landing vessel - the "Orsk" - was hit and set ablaze in the Sea of Azov this morning.

"The Orsk large landing ship of the Black Sea Fleet of the occupiers has been destroyed in the port of Berdyansk captured by Russia," the post says.

Ukrainian media report that one Russian ship has sunk and two others are on fire, and that an ammunition depot and a fuel warehouse were hit.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60856533

Hoorah!!!  

 

I would like to know, with what did they hit it with?

 

[rudi49jr]

Russian execution squads hunting demoralized deserters, defectors. If this is true, it’s truly disturbing and disgusting. Gruesome practices under Stalin in WWII are back on the menu, apparently. 

 

https://torontosun.com/news/world/russian-execution-squads-hunting-demoralized-deserters-defectors

Edited March 24, 2022 by rudi49jr

[Bkk Brian]

8 hours ago, pudd said:

Where do you get this idea from? I would like to see some evidence of your claims. Until you do, your story is just that, a "story".

This idea as you put it is straight from the stories told on Russian tv. Nice to see you're following me on an alternative account however and your first post....???? welcome to the forum.

 

'What should be our reaction? Tactical nuclear weapons,' Russian state TV continues to promote war

Russian media analyst Julia Davis has shared more disturbing footage of nuclear attacks being promoted on Russian state TV. 

In this clip, military expert Igor Korotchenko says, in part: "The West will never lift the sanctions from Russia... This is war. What should be our reaction? Tactical nuclear weapons as battlefield arms... Re-arming Iskanders with special munitions..."

Source & Source

 

As a guest on Soloviev’s Sunday show, Prilepin stressed that the Russians shouldn’t try to convince the West of their humanity and good will. He argued that Russia’s approach towards the West should be as harsh as possible: “If they’re seriously afraid of the conflict with Russia, of WWIII, of nuclear war or the escalation of the conflict, we should be convincing them that we’re ready for it, that we love it, that we like to make war.”

Source

 

Meanwhile on Russian state TV: military expert Igor Korotchenko says, in part: "The West will never lift the sanctions from Russia... This is war. What should be our reaction? Tactical nuclear weapons as battlefield arms... Re-arming Iskanders with special munitions..."

Source + video

 

Biden will take up with allies “how to deal with the rhetoric and the commentary coming out of Russia on this whole question of the potential use of nuclear weapons.”

Source

 

Poland too

 

Russian lawmaker Alexei Zhuravlyov on state TV threatens nuclear strike on Warsaw, Poland and NATO forces or any peacekeeping contingent that might try to enter Ukraine.

Source + video

 

[Chris.B]

1 hour ago, rudi49jr said:

Russian execution squads hunting demoralized deserters, defectors. If this is true, it’s truly disturbing and disgusting. Gruesome practices under Stalin in WWII are back on the menu, apparently. 

 

https://torontosun.com/news/world/russian-execution-squads-hunting-demoralized-deserters-defectors

What do you expect from Orcs? 

 

 

[rudi49jr]

7 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

What do you expect from Orcs? 

 

 

I would have expected a little more evolvement over a period of 75 years, but apparently all Putin is interested in is regression, even beyond Stalin, back to the good old days of the almighty czars.