heybruce Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 6 hours ago, RJRS1301 said: A Russian soldier surrendered his tank to Ukraine for $10,000 and the chance for Ukrainian citizenship, an official has claimed. https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russian-soldier-surrenders-tank-for-10000-and-ukrainian-citizenship-official-claims/news-story/50cc03acdc229b3d5268451cc91ea2dc So much for loyalty to "motherf####ing Russia???? I'm sure the tank was worth easily 100 times to price asked. This suggests an interesting tactic: What if Ukraine offered to buy the Russian weapons and offered long-term visas to Russian soldiers that wanted to desert? The weapons could be bought (using NATO money) for a tiny fraction of their value, and the invading armies hollowed out even more. It would also be a further humiliation for Putin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post friendofthai Posted March 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2022 19 hours ago, nauseus said: Western governments will pay. It is in all their interests to pay and far cheaper than direct military conflict. Individual tax payers pay tax without ever knowing in advance what their money will eventually provide for. Looks like western people love Ukraine much more than they love their own countries. 2 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RJRS1301 Posted March 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, friendofthai said: Looks like western people love Ukraine much more than they love their own countries. Perhaps they respect sovereignty, humanity, and democracy, as opposed to killers, invaders and liars.. Killing children, bombing maternity hospitals , taking people as human shields, does nothing engender respect or love. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chris.B Posted March 28, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, friendofthai said: Looks like western people love Ukraine much more than they love their own countries. Not really, they are worried that if they don't help Ukraine they will be next. ???? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post friendofthai Posted March 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chris.B said: Not really, they are worried that if they don't help Ukraine they will be next. ???? That depends on weather you live in a Soviet Republic or not. The next Putin's move will be a public court which will try to demonstrate that Ukraine and the other 15 republics have never completed the legal procedure for exiting USSR. So people from Estonia or Georgia should be worried. But people from France or UK have nothing to be worried about. Edited March 28, 2022 by friendofthai 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RJRS1301 Posted March 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, friendofthai said: That depends on weather you live in a Soviet Republic or not. The next Putin's move will be a public court which will try to demonstrate that Ukraine and the other 15 republics have never completed the legal procedure for exiting USSR. So people from Estonia or Georgia should be worried. But people from France or UK have nothing to be worried about. You believe that, you believe in Santa Claus. Soviet Republic?? The USSR was dismantled , just remember if you do not learn from history, you are bound to relive it. Several republics began resisting central control, and increasing democratization led to a weakening of the central government. The Soviet Union finally collapsed in 1991 when Boris Yeltsin seized power in the aftermath of a failed coup that had attempted to topple reform-minded Gorbachev. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1989-1992/collapse-soviet-union#:~:text=On December 25%2C 1991%2C the,the newly independent Russian state. The Hammer and sickle was replaced by the RUSSIAN Tricolour Edited March 28, 2022 by RJRS1301 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendofthai Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said: You believe that, you believe in Santa Claus. Soviet Republic?? The USSR was dismantled , just remember if you do not learn from history, you are bound to relive it. Several republics began resisting central control, and increasing democratization led to a weakening of the central government. The Soviet Union finally collapsed in 1991 when Boris Yeltsin seized power in the aftermath of a failed coup that had attempted to topple reform-minded Gorbachev. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1989-1992/collapse-soviet-union#:~:text=On December 25%2C 1991%2C the,the newly independent Russian state. The Hammer and sickle was replaced by the RUSSIAN Tricolour Not mе, actually. This is how president Biden has described the situation: Putin wants to 're-establish the former Soviet Union'https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-putin-ukraine-invasion-trying-to-restore-soviet-union-2022-2 Edited March 28, 2022 by friendofthai 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RJRS1301 Posted March 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, friendofthai said: Not mе, actually. This is how president Biden have described the situation: Putin wants to 're-establish the former Soviet Union'https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-putin-ukraine-invasion-trying-to-restore-soviet-union-2022-2 If you are going to quote me, use the entire quote. Nothing more sad than apologists for killers and invaders. Do not bother using your sad face emoji. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 34 minutes ago, Chris.B said: Not really, they are worried that if they don't help Ukraine they will be next. ???? Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 28 minutes ago, friendofthai said: That depends on weather you live in a Soviet Republic or not. The next Putin's move will be a public court which will try to demonstrate that Ukraine and the other 15 republics have never completed the legal procedure for exiting USSR. So people from Estonia or Georgia should be worried. But people from France or UK have nothing to be worried about. Oh please! A bit late for kangaroo courts without any recognized jurisdiction. The small Baltic states are already in NATO anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post friendofthai Posted March 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, nauseus said: Exactly! Don't worry. Vlad supporters are trying to be law abiding citizens here. Nothing more. In July 2020, there was a constitutional amendment referendum in Russia. Russian people had to decide if Russia was the successor of the Soviet Union or not. Most Russians had approved this. Therefore, according to the new law, Russia, as the successor of the USSR, has the right to restore its territorial integrity within the borders of the USSR. So Vlad is preparing documents for judicial cancellation of the secession of the republics from the USSR. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendofthai Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, nauseus said: The small Baltic states are already in NATO anyway. There is NATO`s p.6 for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RJRS1301 Posted March 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, friendofthai said: Don't worry. Vlad supporters are trying to be law abiding citizens here. Nothing more. In July 2020, there was a constitutional amendment referendum in Russia. Russian people had to decide if Russia was the successor of the Soviet Union or not. Most Russians had approved this. Therefore, according to the new law, Russia, as the successor of the USSR, has the right to restore its territorial integrity within the borders of the USSR. So Vlad is preparing documents for judicial cancellation of the secession of the republics from the USSR. Law abiding people do not bomb hospitals , kindergartens, invade, lie, or use others as human shields. We are also aware how referendums and voting occurs under the current dictatorship, go peddle your pathetic apologetic **** to others Edited March 28, 2022 by RJRS1301 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted March 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, friendofthai said: Don't worry. Vlad supporters are trying to be law abiding citizens here. Nothing more. In July 2020, there was a constitutional amendment referendum in Russia. Russian people had to decide if Russia was the successor of the Soviet Union or not. Most Russians had approved this. Therefore, according to the new law, Russia, as the successor of the USSR, has the right to restore its territorial integrity within the borders of the USSR. So Vlad is preparing documents for judicial cancellation of the secession of the republics from the USSR. That would be the logical equivalent of Cambodia having a referendum to claim it is the successor to the Khmer Empire and restoring it's territorial integrity over Thailand and Myanmar. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi49jr Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, friendofthai said: Don't worry. Vlad supporters are trying to be law abiding citizens here. Nothing more. Vlad supporters are trying to be law abiding citizens, that’s rich! Just one question: is trying to kill Vlad critics/opposers with novichok law abading? I have many (many!) more questions, just curious what your thoughts are on this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi49jr Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: That would be the logical equivalent of Cambodia having a referendum to claim it is the successor to the Khmer Empire and restoring it's territorial integrity over Thailand and Myanmar. Well, to be fair, Morocco seems to be getting away with historical BS claims like that with regards to Western Sahara. Not that I’m condoning it, mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendofthai Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: That would be the logical equivalent of Cambodia having a referendum to claim it is the successor to the Khmer Empire and restoring it's territorial integrity over Thailand and Myanmar. Thailand and Myanmar have legally exited the Empire. So there are no problems. But what about Ukraine? Let's have a look at the "Law on Secession from the USSR" - http://soviethistory.msu.edu/1991-2/shevarnadze-resigns/shevarnadze-resigns-texts/law-on-secession-from-the-ussr/Article 3. In a Union republic which includes within its structure autonomous republics, autonomous oblasts, or autonomous okrugs, the referendum is held separately for each autonomous formation. The people of autonomous republics and autonomous formations retain the right to decide independently the question of remaining within the USSR or within the seceding Union republic, and also to raise the question of their own state-legal status. So according to the law, it was necessary to hold at least 2 referendums for the Ukraine to exit USSR (In Crimea autonomous okrug and the remaining territory separately). This have never happened. Vlad will explain it for you later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 A Ukrainian man has braved heavy Russian shelling to rescue 10 kangaroos that were trapped in a zoo in Kharkiv. https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/animals/world-melts-over-heartwarming-video-of-kangaroo-rescue-in-ukraine/news-story/ad633f14809f217031508763712fdf61 The Zoo must have been sheltering the Nazis Vlad was after. I hope the rescuer checked the pouches of the roos for weapons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, friendofthai said: Thailand and Myanmar have legally exited the Empire. So there are no problems. But what about Ukraine? Let's have a look at the "Law on Secession from the USSR" - http://soviethistory.msu.edu/1991-2/shevarnadze-resigns/shevarnadze-resigns-texts/law-on-secession-from-the-ussr/Article 3. In a Union republic which includes within its structure autonomous republics, autonomous oblasts, or autonomous okrugs, the referendum is held separately for each autonomous formation. The people of autonomous republics and autonomous formations retain the right to decide independently the question of remaining within the USSR or within the seceding Union republic, and also to raise the question of their own state-legal status. So according to the law, it was necessary to hold at least 2 referendums for the Ukraine to exit USSR (In Crimea autonomous okrug and the remaining territory separately). This have never happened. Vlad will explain it for you later. By what mechanism did they "legally exit" the Empire? What if Ukraine passed a similar referendum, would you accept that? What gives Russia that right? There is no way that law is in accordance with international law. Did any former Soviet nation complete those requirements? Edited March 28, 2022 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, friendofthai said: Thailand and Myanmar have legally exited the Empire. So there are no problems. But what about Ukraine? Let's have a look at the "Law on Secession from the USSR" - http://soviethistory.msu.edu/1991-2/shevarnadze-resigns/shevarnadze-resigns-texts/law-on-secession-from-the-ussr/Article 3. In a Union republic which includes within its structure autonomous republics, autonomous oblasts, or autonomous okrugs, the referendum is held separately for each autonomous formation. The people of autonomous republics and autonomous formations retain the right to decide independently the question of remaining within the USSR or within the seceding Union republic, and also to raise the question of their own state-legal status. So according to the law, it was necessary to hold at least 2 referendums for the Ukraine to exit USSR (In Crimea autonomous okrug and the remaining territory separately). This have never happened. Vlad will explain it for you later. Hopefully from an ICU bed as he recovers from either a CVA or bullet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendofthai Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, ozimoron said: By what mechanism did they "legally exit" the Empire? By winning in numerous wars. If you forced another country to capitulate, then you become the legal owner of the new land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, friendofthai said: By winning in numerous wars. If you forced another country to capitulate, then you become the legal owner of the new land. Then Russia still owns East Germany. Did they "legally exit"? If so, how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendofthai Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, ozimoron said: There is no way that law is in accordance with international law. This is not a question of international law. Other countries have no rights to decide what you do with your own land within your own country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendofthai Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: Then Russia still owns East Germany. Did they "legally exit"? If so, how? The Eastern Germany have exited with the active help of Russia. So it is legal for sure. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendofthai Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Then Russia still owns East Germany. Did they "legally exit"? If so, how? Wars are not necessary. They are just a common method to motivate another country to sign necessary papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, friendofthai said: By winning in numerous wars. If you forced another country to capitulate, then you become the legal owner of the new land. Oh now, please familiarise your self with the internationally accepted "Rules of War" What are the 5 laws of war? Military necessity, along with distinction, proportionality, humanity (sometimes called unnecessary suffering), and honor (sometimes called chivalry) are the five most commonly cited principles of international humanitarian law governing the legal use of force in an armed conflict. Parties to a conflict shall at all times distinguish between the civilian population and combatants in order to spare civilian population and property. Neither the civilian population as such nor civilian persons shall be the object of attack. Attacks shall be directed solely against military objectives.31 Dec 1988 Basic rules of the Geneva Conventions and their Additional ... https://www.icrc.org › files › other › icrc_002_0365 PDF Check them out and try to comprehend Both Ukraine and Russia are parties to the 1949 Geneva Conventions and Protocol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, friendofthai said: The Eastern Germany have exited with the active help of Russia. So it is legal for sure. Did Ukraine "legally exit"? By your reasoning, Crimea still belongs to Ukraine except by brute force of "winning wars" and forcing the country to capitulate. Where does it end? Does Russia have the right to attack Finland, force it to capitulate and then own it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, friendofthai said: Wars are not necessary. They are just a common method to motivate another country to sign necessary papers. "Ransom" and "blackmail" spring to mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.B Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, friendofthai said: That depends on weather you live in a Soviet Republic or not. The next Putin's move will be a public court which will try to demonstrate that Ukraine and the other 15 republics have never completed the legal procedure for exiting USSR. So people from Estonia or Georgia should be worried. But people from France or UK have nothing to be worried about. I don't think the weather in Russia has much to do with things. It always seems to snow there. ???? When the UK have upwards of 6,000 warheads pointing at it I would be a tad worried as to Russia's intentions. ☹️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Just now, friendofthai said: Ukraine have never completed the procedure to exit. So Vlad will cancel its exit status when convenient. Finland is not a question of internal Law of USSR. It is outside the USSR according to the WW2 borders. So we have lost it completely. No chances to get it back. What relevance did WW2 have? It used to belong to Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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