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2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Negotiate?

You mean surrender.

Putin deserves nothing in Ukraine.

Of course surrender. How is it working out for all the dead and the displaced and those with no homes to return to? It's not as though Ukraine could defeat Russia, even if they do manage to stop the advance in Ukraine itself. If they won this time, do you think that would be the end of it?

It's not like Ukraine was never ruled by Russia, is it?

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2 hours ago, heybruce said:

How many countries in addition to Ukraine do you think should surrender when threatened by Putin?

 

34 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If not in NATO, any, unless they have loads of nukes.

Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union.  That means capturing former USSR countries such as Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, which are all NATO members. 

 

Do you think Russia will want to invade NATO members with nuclear weapons?

Posted
42 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IN YOUR OPINION.

An opinion supported by Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

 

Your opinion is that Putin will push no further if he wins in Ukraine.  I know of no experts who share that opinion.

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Posted
6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Not following your logic. 

Nobody is happy that thanks to Putin there is now a small chance that we are in the nuclear end times, but that is the situation. 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/tactical-nuclear-weapons-escalation-us-russia-war-animated-strike-map-2019-9?op=1

 

 

A terrifying new animation shows how 1 'tactical' nuclear weapon could trigger a US-Russia war that kills 34 million people in 5 hours

I reckon the nearest thing to nuclear will be Russia blowing a nuclear power station and blame it on Ukraine.

Now Russia has moved and concentrating eastwards the war is not going to be ending anytime soon.

Posted
36 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I reckon the nearest thing to nuclear will be Russia blowing a nuclear power station and blame it on Ukraine.

Now Russia has moved and concentrating eastwards the war is not going to be ending anytime soon.

It might last for years. 

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16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It might last for years. 

It's a weird war and cannot see an end only what will be will be. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Yes just what Putin wanted.

He may have wanted some implications to go global, but not the ones that have. Unless you think "Russia is a paper tiger" is what he wanted the world to believe.

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3 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

No way, Russia is running out of money and spare parts for it's military equipment. Wait to he stops paying his armies because he has no money.

 

Still plenty of money from energy sales. If Putin clearly loses then he's toast. Strong man becomes weak loser so bye bye. But if he can hold on for a protracted war then he keeps his power. 

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41 minutes ago, placeholder said:

He may have wanted some implications to go global, but not the ones that have. Unless you think "Russia is a paper tiger" is what he wanted the world to believe.

What is not good is that something like 80% of Russians support Putin and they believe him even more that the west is evil also they can see his right by all the sanctions being implemented.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Still plenty of money from energy sales.

Where does all that money go to, though? Doesn’t most of it flow right into the pockets of the oligarchs?

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Posted
1 minute ago, rudi49jr said:

Where does all that money go to, though? Doesn’t most of it flow right into the pockets of the oligarchs?

Putin is very very motivated to win or at least have a way to fake a win. He loses he's finished. Ukraine is an existential threat to Putin. A protracted war at least keeps him going. Putin as dictator will do almost anything or even anything to stay in power. He'll find the money.

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17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Putin is very very motivated to win or at least have a way to fake a win. He loses he's finished. Ukraine is an existential threat to Putin. A protracted war at least keeps him going. Putin as dictator will do almost anything or even anything to stay in power. He'll find the money.

How? Sell a couple of yachts? ????

 

Posted
1 minute ago, Chris.B said:

How? Sell a couple of yachts? ????

 

Money from oil and gas is still being paid since the war,  Germany for one is heavily dependant on gas from Russia.

Posted
1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

Money from oil and gas is still being paid since the war,  Germany for one is heavily dependant on gas from Russia.

Yes unfortunately.

Its blood money but German leaders don't have much choice at this time. The pain of sanctions goes both ways.

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44 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

How? Sell a couple of yachts? ????

 

Oligarchs in Russia play by Putin's rules or else...

 

If Putin tells them to pay massive amounts of "tax", they will.

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11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So Zelinsky isn't brave enough for you? That really takes the cake.  Its feeling like your taking the <deleted>.

??????????????? Is he in the front lines?

I have no idea how one can be brave if not in the line of fire.

Like most leaders he seems to be leading from miles and miles behind the lines, but perhaps you can inform me how many tanks he has destroyed, and how many Russians he's killed if that's wrong.

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3 hours ago, Chris.B said:

No way, Russia is running out of money and spare parts for it's military equipment. Wait to he stops paying his armies because he has no money.

 

Reported on Al Jazeera today that Putin wants the gas and oil paid for in roubles or he turns off the taps. I'll make a wild guess and say that European countries that depend on Russian energy will pay up.

Also on Al Jazeera that Germany can't transition away from Russian energy as it doesn't have the infrastructure to do so and won't till 2024.

Seems they didn't consider how being dependent on Russia might not be a good idea.

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