Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Saanim]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Poland's Marshal Józef Piłsudski had a lot of vision! What he stated then is in play right now but the terrorists will not win

Referring to the history (unfortunately, it's off topic) it seems there are not many Ukrainians who are much excited about his "a lot of vision"...    

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Referring to the history (unfortunately, it's off topic) it seems there are not many Ukrainians who are much excited about his "a lot of vision"...    

Correct the Ukrainians are too busy defending themselves from the Russian terrorists

[bannork]

The toxic Putin is becoming more and more isolated.

[rudi49jr]

18 minutes ago, bannork said:

The toxic Putin is becoming more and more isolated.

Maybe next time they can reserve one of those glass cages for Putin, like they have in Italian courts when a mafia capo stands trial. I’m sure the other heads of state would feel a lot better/safer. 

[bannork]

Kyiv residents telling Putin where to go 

 

[bannork]

So how much does NATO encircle Russia?

 

[Rimmer]

Ukraine confirms Iranian military advisers helping Russia have been killed in Crimea

 

Ukraine officials have confirmed that Iranian military advisers have been killed in Crimea, a news report has stated. The top security officials of Ukraine have also stated that any other Iranians on occupied Ukrainian territory in support of Moscow’s invasion would also be targeted.

 

Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of Ukraine’s national security and defence council, said Iranians were present in Crimea to help Russia pilot the Shahed-136 armed drones supplied by the Tehran government, but did not say how many Ukraine had killed.

 

In an interview in Kyiv, Mr Danilov said: "You shouldn’t be where you shouldn’t be.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1701336/ukraine-iranian-advisers-russia-crimea-latest-news-ont

 

 

[rudi49jr]

Can’t find a link for this yet (have a link to a Dutch newspaper, but I’m guessing that’s pretty useless), but apparently today, in his meeting with mothers of Russian soldiers, Putin said: “don’t believe everything you see on tv, a lot of it is fake. The internet is full of lies, don’t trust it”.

He’s not wrong there, but I’m pretty sure he forgot to add that pretty much all of the information coming from the Kremlin or Russian media is utter BS, nothing but lies, misinformation, fake news and hysterical warmongering rubbish. 

[candide]

7 hours ago, bannork said:

So how much does NATO encircle Russia?

 

And from this map, it is so obvious to identify where the strategic threat lies

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[bannork]

 

[Mavideol]

16 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Can’t find a link for this yet (have a link to a Dutch newspaper, but I’m guessing that’s pretty useless), but apparently today, in his meeting with mothers of Russian soldiers, Putin said: “don’t believe everything you see on tv, a lot of it is fake. The internet is full of lies, don’t trust it”.

He’s not wrong there, but I’m pretty sure he forgot to add that pretty much all of the information coming from the Kremlin or Russian media is utter BS, nothing but lies, misinformation, fake news and hysterical warmongering rubbish. 

here are some of the funny statements/lies he made, he really thinks people are stupid, carefully chosen  the so called "mothers"

Putin warns of 'deception, lies' online

In what appeared to be an attempt to counter online reporting about Russian forces' problems in the war, Mr Putin urged the mothers to distrust the internet.

"You can't trust anything there at all, there are all sorts of fakes, deception, lies," Mr Putin said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-26/putin-meets-mothers-of-soldiers-killed-in-ukraine/101701590

 

President Putin - who who was positioned in the middle of the table - said he and the Russian leadership understood what the families were going through.

"I would like you to know that, that I personally, and the whole leadership of the country - we share your pain," he told the mothers.

"We understand that nothing can replace the loss of a son, especially for a mother.

"We share this pain."

 

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/vladimir-putin-tells-mothers-of-dead-russian-soldiers-we-share-your-pain-amid-parents-anger-over-rushed-conscription/news-story/3ecfe4ce1ce93bb952a2ee8d5c712c92

 

[Mavideol]

16 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Can’t find a link for this yet (have a link to a Dutch newspaper, but I’m guessing that’s pretty useless), but apparently today, in his meeting with mothers of Russian soldiers, Putin said: “don’t believe everything you see on tv, a lot of it is fake. The internet is full of lies, don’t trust it”.

He’s not wrong there, but I’m pretty sure he forgot to add that pretty much all of the information coming from the Kremlin or Russian media is utter BS, nothing but lies, misinformation, fake news and hysterical warmongering rubbish. 

we do have to give the guy some credit for his acting skills  555

[Rimmer]

Off topic post and a repy removed

[Bkk Brian]

After the EU Parliament labeled Russia a state sponsor of terrorism they had a couple of gifts including a replica of the sledge hammer used the the horrific execution of one of its own Wagner soldiers.

 

Putin’s crony dubbed ‘the chef’ sends ‘bloodied sledgehammer’ to EU

The Kremlin-linked boss of the brutal Wagner Group claims to have sent a bloodied sledgehammer to the European Parliament.

Vladimir Putin’s close confidant Yevgeny Prigozhin was responding to a vote to declare Russia a ‘state sponsor of terrorism’ and his mercenaries a ‘terrorist group’.

Smeared with artificial blood, the metal weapon bears the logo and the name of the Russian private military company, and was delivered in a violin case.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/24/vladimir-putins-crony-and-wagner-boss-sends-bloodied-sledgehammer-to-eu-17820439/

 

They also received a cyber attack

 

The European Parliament’s Website was hit by a Cyberattack claimed by Killnet

On November 23rd, the European Parliament was hit by a cyberattack that was orchestrated and claimed by a Pro-Kremlin Group called Killnet. The attack came after Europe declared Russia as “a state sponsor of terrorism”.

https://www.thecybersecuritytimes.com/the-european-parliaments-website-was-hit-by-a-cyberattack-claimed-by-killnet/

[bannork]

Fleeing Russian shelling.

 

[nausea]

Too many Putin puppets if you ask me - Patrick Lancaster, Eva k Bartlett. 

[nausea]

You know, I do wonder if the capacity to critically assess a situation still exists in the West. Like Putin isn't the Devil Incarnate, maybe we did inflame the situation by a few misjudged decisions, like the Russians have legitimate concerns. This Manichaean approach does nobody any good.

[candide]

46 minutes ago, nausea said:

You know, I do wonder if the capacity to critically assess a situation still exists in the West. Like Putin isn't the Devil Incarnate, maybe we did inflame the situation by a few misjudged decisions, like the Russians have legitimate concerns. This Manichaean approach does nobody any good.

Well, when one country attacks and tries to destroy another country, It's difficult not to fall into "manicheism". It's not Ukraine or NATO which attacked Russia. The fact is that (nearly) no country wants to remain under threat or influence from Russia, because of its past imperialist and dominant behaviour. And on top of it, with an autocratic regime which has not even been able to ensure the economic development and the wellbeing of its citizens. 

Russia may resent it, but has to blame itself for this situation. You reap what you sow.

[rudi49jr]

1 hour ago, nausea said:

You know, I do wonder if the capacity to critically assess a situation still exists in the West. Like Putin isn't the Devil Incarnate, maybe we did inflame the situation by a few misjudged decisions, like the Russians have legitimate concerns. This Manichaean approach does nobody any good.

Even if ‘we’ inflamed the situation by a few misjudged decisions, that doesn’t give Russia the right to do what it is doing now.
And perhaps the problem is that not enough people see yet that Putin and his cronies (especially that creep Prigozhin) really ARE the devil incarnate. Didn’t you get what they wanted to do to Ukraine and its people? Ukraine had no right to exist anyway, and Ukrainians were subhumans who needed to be eradicated. Think ‘the final solution’ from WWII (or ‘die Endlösung’ in German, if you will), that’s pretty much what Russia wanted to do with the Ukrainians.

What the Russian army and its allies are doing in Ukraine is absolutely horrendous, committing the most vile and disgusting war crimes on a daily basis. And this is not done by an out of control army, but very obviously because the soldiers have been ordered to behave like thugs, and to rape, torture and kill indiscriminately.

So yes, Putin really is the devil incarnate, and the sooner everyone starts to recognize that as a fact, the better it will be. 

[nausea]

Plan A failed - collapse the Russian economy, plan B failed - destroy them through an influx of Western weapons. We're now into plan C. Whatever you say, the Russians seem to be in it for the long haul, an existential crisis for them. And the Russians are not so good at controlling the narrative but very good at war. They did defeat the Germans after all. Nobody with any sense goes up against the Russians militarily. This is basically a civil war, look at how the Slavic Ukrainians are absorbing losses, then transfer that to the Russian side. These are hard bas@#rds on both sides. Your average man bun man with a handbag ain't gonna cut it, 555. Thankfully, ain't my fight. 

[Bkk Brian]

35 minutes ago, nausea said:

Plan A failed - collapse the Russian economy, plan B failed - destroy them through an influx of Western weapons. We're now into plan C. Whatever you say, the Russians seem to be in it for the long haul, an existential crisis for them. And the Russians are not so good at controlling the narrative but very good at war. They did defeat the Germans after all. Nobody with any sense goes up against the Russians militarily. This is basically a civil war, look at how the Slavic Ukrainians are absorbing losses, then transfer that to the Russian side. These are hard bas@#rds on both sides. Your average man bun man with a handbag ain't gonna cut it, 555. Thankfully, ain't my fight. 

Plan A: Took longer than expected but it certainly has not failed. Have you noted that Russia is running out of missiles, ammunition, equipment for its troops and the economy is in steep decline?

 

Western sanctions catch up with Russia’s wartime economy

For months, Putin claimed that the “economic blitzkrieg” against Russia had failed, but Western sanctions imposed over the invasion of Ukraine are digging ever deeper into Russia’s economy, exacerbating equipment shortages for its army and hampering its ability to launch any new ground offensive or build new missiles, economists and Russian business executives said.

Even so, a November report by the Central Bank warned that Russia’s GDP would face a sharper contraction of 7.1 percent in the fourth quarter of 2022, after falling 4.1 percent and 4 percent compared with last year in the previous two quarters, last week, as the Russian economy officially entered into recession, Central Bank Chairwoman Elvira Nabiullina told lawmakers that next year the situation could get darker still. “We really need to look at the situation very soberly and with our eyes open. Things may get worse, we understand that,” she said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/26/russia-war-economy-military-supply/

 

Plan B

The influx of weapons were for defensive measures only, however Ukraine has already taken back more territory than Russia captured since its invasion. Its working and its long haul. Have you missed all the retreats from previously annexed territories that Russia claimed and occupied?

 

Plan C

Refer to Plan A and don't forget the help the Russians received in defeating the Germans including the huge amounts of lend lease military equipment from the US

 

[Rimmer]

An off topic unattributed post and replies has been removed.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, nausea said:

These are hard bas@#rds on both sides. Your average man bun man with a handbag ain't gonna cut it, 555. Thankfully, ain't my fight. 

True, Agreed.

[Saanim]

10 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

he Russians received in defeating the Germans including the huge amounts of lend lease military equipment from the US

Just for record: It was just 1/3 of what was provided for UK armies... 

[rudi49jr]

12 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Just for record: It was just 1/3 of what was provided for UK armies... 

So what? They still received $180 billion worth in today’s currency and I’m quite sure it helped the Russians defeat the Germans on the eastern front in the end. Without that aid I’m not at all sure the Russians would have been able to do that.

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Just for record: It was just 1/3 of what was provided for UK armies... 

Just goes to show how it was not just the Russians who defeated Germany as the other poster stated but a joint effort by the allied forces. 

[BarraMarra]

On 11/21/2022 at 5:34 PM, candide said:

From what I understand from the OSCE report, there have been violations on both sides.

Don't think we have seen Russian mass graves being uncovered in Ukraine.

[candide]

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

Don't think we have seen Russian mass graves being uncovered in Ukraine.

I fully agree with you.

 

My post was about the "pre-invasion" period, and a reply to a post claiming that the OSCE reports at that time were recording attacks from Ukraine. My reply (I had problems with the quoting function on my phone), was that attacks from both sides were recorded in these reports.

[rudi49jr]

Very sobering video.