Thailand’s Juangroongruangkit family defends controversial land deal

[snoop1130]

 

Thai Summit Group President Somporn Juangroongruangkit has asked for fairness from the public over the negative image projected of the family after the Land Department revoked 59 “nor sor 3 kor” land ownership certificates on Tuesday.

 

The certificates were withdrawn on grounds that the documents were issued illegally. They were for plots covering 337.76 hectares in Ratchaburi province, which she bought about three decades ago.

 

Breaking her silence to the media today (Friday), Somporn, mother Thanathorn, leader of the Progressive Movement and former leader of the now-defunct Future Forward Party, said that she was devastated by the Land Department’s order, which has painted her and her family as being forest encroachers, which is a serious charge.

 

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[Golden Triangle]

The current muppets in charge will do everything in their power to besmirch this family, I know that us farangs can see through this charade, I just hope that the Thai populace can do the same.

[ikke1959]

There are more very high ranked people who  did iilegal things and own things they "stole " from the Thai people... They shold revoke that too, but that is impossible....

[Gottfrid]

3 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Breaking her silence to the media today (Friday), Somporn, mother Thanathorn, leader of the Progressive Movement and former leader of the now-defunct Future Forward Party, said that she was devastated by the Land Department’s order, which has painted her and her family as being forest encroachers, which is a serious charge.

Yeah, it must be terrible to be called what you really are, right? It´s been forest land for over 30 years. The only thing defunct, is in this turds brain.

[Gottfrid]

3 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

I know that us farangs can see through this charade, I just hope that the Thai populace can do the same.

Really! Were do you have the proof of that?

 

[ThailandRyan]

20 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Yeah, it must be terrible to be called what you really are, right? It´s been forest land for over 30 years. The only thing defunct, is in this turds brain.

The land was purchased many years before the supposed change to forest land, so say again how they are thieves....

[rwill]

And what ever happened to Pareena with her illegal land in Ratchaburi too?

[hotchilli]

14 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The certificates were withdrawn on grounds that the documents were issued illegally. They were for plots covering 337.76 hectares in Ratchaburi province, which she bought about three decades ago.

I think she is being truly victimised.

Land title deeds issued to her 30 years ago for the purchase of land now deemed illegal, yet she is painted as being at fault?

The land department took the money, issued the deeds.. they are if anyone is the guilty party?

[cracker1]

Let's hear about the Government officials who approved the new land titles at the time.

Surely, they are culpable.

[Presnock]

these land deals seem to get senior folks in a lot of trouble, ie Thaksin for approving his wife's land purchase if I am not mistaken.

 

[newnative]

13 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Yeah, it must be terrible to be called what you really are, right? It´s been forest land for over 30 years. The only thing defunct, is in this turds brain.

     Read the story.  She purchased the land from other owners of the property many years ago.  She is not the original owner.   Now, suddenly they decide the land should not have been sold?  After all these years?  So, why aren't they going after the original purchasers?  If anybody is guilty of doing something wrong it is them, not her.  You unknowingly buy a used car that was involved in an unsolved hit and run years ago.  Finally the police trace the car to you.  Should you be guilty of the hit and run or the original driver?   And, again, why her, why now?  Obviously, they are doing anything they possibly can to discredit a rival.  Stinks to high heaven, as my Dad liked to say. 

[Burma Bill]

20 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

which has painted her and her family as being forest encroachers,

Typical BS allegations from the pro military "elite" to suppress popular political opposition.

[billd766]

16 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Yeah, it must be terrible to be called what you really are, right? It´s been forest land for over 30 years. The only thing defunct, is in this turds brain.

Really? How did you manage to figure that out.

 

She bought the land quite legally in 1978 and in 1984 the government at that time changed the land use to a restricted forest area.

 

A question for you. Why back in 1984 was she not contacted about the change of use and compensated by selling the land back?

 

Another question for you. Why was it only this year that it was discovered?

 

Do you think that it is because there will be an election next year, that the PPRP and the government cannot afford to lose. Could that also be scraping the bottom of the barrel to blacken Thanathorn and his families names.

 

BTW they couldn't blacken Thanathorn personally as he was not born until 25th November 1978.

 

I suspect that the Ministry of Dirty Tricks has been working overtime on this one,

[Gottfrid]

5 hours ago, newnative said:

     Read the story.  She purchased the land from other owners of the property many years ago.  She is not the original owner.   Now, suddenly they decide the land should not have been sold?  After all these years?  So, why aren't they going after the original purchasers?  If anybody is guilty of doing something wrong it is them, not her.  You unknowingly buy a used car that was involved in an unsolved hit and run years ago.  Finally the police trace the car to you.  Should you be guilty of the hit and run or the original driver?   And, again, why her, why now?  Obviously, they are doing anything they possibly can to discredit a rival.  Stinks to high heaven, as my Dad liked to say. 

Or another possibility. The land could have been farmland, designated to poor people for free. Then a buy-up was made, where people was taken care of and a certain contact re-made the papers. That´s usually how it works in the shady world. 

 

[rwill]

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

Or another possibility. The land could have been farmland, designated to poor people for free. Then a buy-up was made, where people was taken care of and a certain contact re-made the papers. That´s usually how it works in the shady world. 

 

nor sor 3 kor is a legal title that can be bought or sold legally.  However it is not a full chanote.  The land has not been surveyed by the land department.  So the boundries are not certain.  It is possible to ask the land department to survey it and upgrade it to a regular chanote.

[Gottfrid]

46 minutes ago, rwill said:

nor sor 3 kor is a legal title that can be bought or sold legally.  However it is not a full chanote.  The land has not been surveyed by the land department.  So the boundries are not certain.  It is possible to ask the land department to survey it and upgrade it to a regular chanote.

How do you know what is legal or not. Depends on how much money was exchanged when making it. Remember that Thailand only had computer system for about 10 - 15 years.

Edited April 2, 2022 by Gottfrid

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

How do you know what is legal or not. Depends on how much money was exchanged when making it. Remember that Thailand only had computer system for about 10 - 15 years.

How do you know that he is wrong?

 

Do you have any idea where the land is, what it is used for now, what it was used for back in 1978.

 

There are very few people who knew what was happening in 1978 and in 1984, and I am 100% certain that you are not one of them. Neither am I and I doubt anybody on this forum is either.

 

You can make up as many theories as you wish, but that is all they are.

 

Theories and opinions

[Gottfrid]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

How do you know that he is wrong?

 

Do you have any idea where the land is, what it is used for now, what it was used for back in 1978.

 

There are very few people who knew what was happening in 1978 and in 1984, and I am 100% certain that you are not one of them. Neither am I and I doubt anybody on this forum is either.

 

You can make up as many theories as you wish, but that is all they are.

 

Theories and opinions

Yes, it is only theories and opinions. But, as you also are very aware about, most of the rich people in Thailand move the rules and gain opportunities that are not totally lawful. Why in the world would this family be different?

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

Yes, it is only theories and opinions. But, as you also are very aware about, most of the rich people in Thailand move the rules and gain opportunities that are not totally lawful. Why in the world would this family be different?

How about because the family bought and paid for the land in 1978.

 

Six, count them 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 years after they bought the land there was a change of use in 1984, that was 38 years ago.

 

Yet nothing happened during those 38 years, which was plenty of time for action to be taken.

 

Yet only now in 2022 has it been discovered, and only now before an election does anything happen.

 

Don't you think that is a little suspicious, given that Thanathorn was banned from politics over a magazine he supposedly published. but sold his shares before he became a politician?

 

To me it stinks far worse than Pla Ra and to me the Ministry of Dirty Tricks has been scraping the bottom of every barrel it can find to get rid of Thanathorn and any trace of any political party he even speaks to on the phone, sends an email, mentions on Twitter, etc.

 

You are doing a fair job of diversion for the government on your own, but I, for one don't believe a word of what you say, opinions or not.

Edited April 2, 2022 by billd766
Bad punctuation

[Gottfrid]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

How about because the family bought and paid for the land in 1978.

 

Six, count them 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 years after they bought the land there was a change of use in 1984, that was 38 years ago.

 

Yet nothing happened during those 38 years, which was plenty of time for action to be taken.

 

Yet only now in 2022 has it been discovered, and only now before an election does anything happen.

 

Don't you think that is a little suspicious, given that Thanathorn was banned from politics over a magazine he supposedly published. but sold his shares before he became a politician?

 

To me it stinks far worse than Pla Ra and to me the Ministry of Dirty Tricks has been scraping the bottom of every barrel it can find to get rid of Thanathorn and any trace of any political party he even speaks to on the phone, sends an email, mentions on Twitter, etc.

 

You are doing a fair job of diversion for the government on your own, but I, for one don't believe a word of what you say, opinions or not.

Yes, you are right. It´s a perfect time to dig dirt on the opposition. However, that is what every side and party do all over the world before election.

[billd766]

14 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Yes, you are right. It´s a perfect time to dig dirt on the opposition. However, that is what every side and party do all over the world before election.

Not every political side or party does this all over the world. You might believe it but I certainly don't.

 

Please try to stop diversions and get back to the topic in hand, which, if you had forgotten is about one particular family in Thailand, which is this.

 

Thailand’s Juangroongruangkit family defends controversial land deal.

 

I emboldened the line above.

[Gottfrid]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

Not every political side or party does this all over the world. You might believe it but I certainly don't.

 

Please try to stop diversions and get back to the topic in hand, which, if you had forgotten is about one particular family in Thailand, which is this.

 

Thailand’s Juangroongruangkit family defends controversial land deal.

 

I emboldened the line above.

Yes, @billd766I understand it is your favorites now. Sorry to step on fragile toes. Just wonder why you are so quick to comment and protect them? Do you think you can make a difference? ???? If so, sorry to take you out of the fluffy clouds. 

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Yes, @billd766I understand it is your favorites now. Sorry to step on fragile toes. Just wonder why you are so quick to comment and protect them? Do you think you can make a difference? ???? If so, sorry to take you out of the fluffy clouds. 

For the same reason that you keep attacking them and clearly stating that they are like all the rest of the HiSos which they clearly are not.

 

So far nothing has been proven or disproven about the land and I prefer to believe that people are innocent until proven guilty.

 

You on the other hand have labelled them guilty without any proof or evidence at all.

 

What I think about would make no difference at all and neither does anything that you think or say either.

 

If the real truth comes out and they are guilty I am quite happy to admit that I am wrong.

 

But to me, coming at this time from someone in the PPRP, stinks of politics and as the current government own the judiciary, the only way that I would believe them guilty is by a totally independent enquiry, and the government cannot allow anything like that to happen.

[Gottfrid]

14 minutes ago, billd766 said:

If the real truth comes out and they are guilty I am quite happy to admit that I am wrong.

Sorry, looks like there is already proof of that, or did you miss the original article? ????

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

Sorry, looks like there is already proof of that, or did you miss the original article? ????

No I didn't miss the article. There was an allegation which has yet to go to the courts, but no actual proof.

[Reposed]

You lost me at Juangroongruangkitsomethingorother......

[impulse]

Stories like this confirm my contention that Thai laws prohibiting foreigners from buying land are a humane gesture.

 

If they can come back 30 years later against a wealthy Thai family with connections and all kinds of legal resources, what chance does a foreigner have if the current wonks cast greedy eyes on your little patch of land?

 

[Guest Isaanlife]

This is called being on the wrong side of Thai politics. Nothin more.

[Gottfrid]

9 hours ago, billd766 said:

No I didn't miss the article. There was an allegation which has yet to go to the courts, but no actual proof.

According to me and what I read, the land is already confiscated, and the only reason this will go to court is if the family are trying to fight it.

[billd766]

6 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

According to me and what I read, the land is already confiscated, and the only reason this will go to court is if the family are trying to fight it.

So according to you and something you read somewhere, (no links provided), you are correct and everybody else is wrong.