The death of music

[Lacessit]

I listen to a wide spectrum of music - classics, pop, R& R, R&B and so on. It's a feast for the ears.

IMO every decade produces a couple of musical pieces that soar above everything else, and go into the pantheon of great music. A band produces a new sound, or there's a singer that hits new notes and timbre.

Music is not dead, it's just waiting.

 

[StreetCowboy]

10 minutes ago, it is what it is said:

 

bizarrely, it has never been easier to make/produce your own music, with even the minutest amount of talent, and get it released to the outside world. however, the negative it seems to me, is the self same technology is used to over produce and remove all emotion/feeling/authenticity/originality to much of the music produced. just my 2p worth.

Unfortunately, while talented individuals can allow discerning consumers to access their music, at the same time we have seen an overwhelming commercialisation of what I will flatteringly call mediocrity.  Let us all sit back and think how this plays a role in Putin’s War On Truth, and our part in it.

[Salerno]

23 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Video evidence please of bra-less Pan's People.

I've failed everytime I looked, thing is it might have been Legs & Co and not Pans People ... it's been a while.

[StreetCowboy]

4 minutes ago, Salerno said:

I've failed everytime I looked, thing is it might have been Legs & Co and not Pans People ... it's been a while.

People that ask for links to videos of flapping jubblies need to learn how to use Google.

[Whale]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

It's not the music that's dead, just you.

Plenty of good stuff around now.

I agree! They are just not looking. It's alive and vibrant as ever.

[OneMoreFarang]

16 minutes ago, it is what it is said:

 

bizarrely, it has never been easier to make/produce your own music, with even the minutest amount of talent, and get it released to the outside world. however, the negative it seems to me, is the self same technology is used to over produce and remove all emotion/feeling/authenticity/originality to much of the music produced. just my 2p worth.

Rick Beato explains in one of his videos on YouTube how software is used to correct the bad singing of some artist. And this software corrects it but by doing that it makes it all equal.

Many of us will remember the times when there was no such software and no music videos. The artist had to be good, otherwise nobody would play them. Long time ago.

 

And about making your own music. That reminds me of Coyote Ugly. The music was obviously the important part to watch that movie. ????

 

 

[StreetCowboy]

43 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Rick Beato explains in one of his videos on YouTube how software is used to correct the bad singing of some artist. And this software corrects it but by doing that it makes it all equal.

Many of us will remember the times when there was no such software and no music videos. The artist had to be good, otherwise nobody would play them. Long time ago.

 

And about making your own music. That reminds me of Coyote Ugly. The music was obviously the important part to watch that movie. ????

 

 

Why would you listen to “modern music” when you can whistle like I can?

[1FinickyOne]

5 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I can just imagine you walking through the Bronx one night

one heck of an imagination.... 

[StreetCowboy]

18 minutes ago, 1FinickyOne said:

one heck of an imagination.... 

Back in the day I hitch-hiked through the Bronx.

We never talked about music.

People live their lives, and our own prejudices are maybe not so important to that

[Walker88]

I use the same words to describe music of today as I use to describe the phenomenon called TikTok:

 

"Content made by those without talent for those without taste."

 

Granted it is almost ritualistic for one generation to trash what comes after, but even in the 1980s people still played instruments and there was a melody. Today, few can actually play an instrument, and if there is any melody it is saved for the chorus...the rest is just talk, and banal on top of that. Yes, the Beatles could get away with "she loves you, yea, yea, yea", but once is enough. Stuff like "baby, baby, baby, oooh" takes what....one second to write?

 

I might have come later, but I can appreciate Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, John Coltraine....Hendrix and Santana...nobody today of comparable skill.

 

As for voices, female voices in particular are gone. Nina Symone had a voice. So did Stevie Nicks. Chaka Khan. Amy Winehouse had a voice. Ann Wilson of Heart could sing. Anybody today? And without Autotune? Vapid, pedestrian voices that are a dime a dozen. ZERO presence. Singers think running all around a chord is talent. Christine Aguilera started that, but it got old in an instant. Now it just sounds silly.

 

There used to be arrangement, too. Listen to Earth, Wind and Fire. The arrangements put together by Maurice White were both fun and sophisticated, especially when he let Philip Bailey run free in vocals.

 

Heck, I'm the farthest thing from a country fan, but listen to Glen Campbell on Gentle on My Mind (great lyrics) or his astonishing guitar mastery. Is there a new Michael Hedges, Leo Kottke, Eddie Van Halen, Mark Knopfler out there?  No.

 

Some songs last through the generations. I am willing to bet NOTHING from the last decade will be heard a decade or two from now. Throwaway drivel. Pabulum. Like TikTok.

[OneMoreFarang]

34 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

I use the same words to describe music of today as I use to describe the phenomenon called TikTok:

 

"Content made by those without talent for those without taste."

 

Granted it is almost ritualistic for one generation to trash what comes after, but even in the 1980s people still played instruments and there was a melody. Today, few can actually play an instrument, and if there is any melody it is saved for the chorus...the rest is just talk, and banal on top of that. Yes, the Beatles could get away with "she loves you, yea, yea, yea", but once is enough. Stuff like "baby, baby, baby, oooh" takes what....one second to write?

 

I might have come later, but I can appreciate Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, John Coltraine....Hendrix and Santana...nobody today of comparable skill.

 

As for voices, female voices in particular are gone. Nina Symone had a voice. So did Stevie Nicks. Chaka Khan. Amy Winehouse had a voice. Ann Wilson of Heart could sing. Anybody today? And without Autotune? Vapid, pedestrian voices that are a dime a dozen. ZERO presence. Singers think running all around a chord is talent. Christine Aguilera started that, but it got old in an instant. Now it just sounds silly.

 

There used to be arrangement, too. Listen to Earth, Wind and Fire. The arrangements put together by Maurice White were both fun and sophisticated, especially when he let Philip Bailey run free in vocals.

 

Heck, I'm the farthest thing from a country fan, but listen to Glen Campbell on Gentle on My Mind (great lyrics) or his astonishing guitar mastery. Is there a new Michael Hedges, Leo Kottke, Eddie Van Halen, Mark Knopfler out there?  No.

 

Some songs last through the generations. I am willing to bet NOTHING from the last decade will be heard a decade or two from now. Throwaway drivel. Pabulum. Like TikTok.

I also know a lot of good old music and not so much good new music. But that doesn't mean good new music doesn't exist anymore. I pay a lot less attention and it's not so important for me anymore. And there are fewer of those moments at those parties where a song stays in my mind connected to one girl. And then a few months later another girl.

I think Ed Sheeran is a good example that talent still exists. Here are two versions of one of his song. I would call them basic and very basic. And it's still a good song.

 

 

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, pgrahmm said:

Yeah - music as we appreciated is dead....Whether rock, love songs, ballads, or country; it's in decline or gone completely out of sight of the rear view mirror....

 

It's all club banging or rapping = which isn't music in my book....

 

I guess it goes with the great age of digital detachment & loss of any kind of people skills.....

 

I actually find solace in a lot of the Thai music, dancers, and entertainers that my family watches/listens to - it still has personality - over the absolute train wreck nightmare most western mainstream "music" has become....

Hence the rise of stations that play only music from past decades. I listen to one that is restricted to the 50s, 60s and 70s.

On tv there was a channel dedicated to easy listening vdos, but I haven't watched it for a while.

I don't care what anyone plays for themselves, but unfortunately, the younger demographic that likes electronic garbage seems to be deaf, so they play it so loudly that it annoys people 100s of meters away. All part of the antisocial hooligan element of society as we descend into a new dark age.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

I use the same words to describe music of today as I use to describe the phenomenon called TikTok:

 

"Content made by those without talent for those without taste."

To be fair, some of them actually put some work into their "moves" or whatever the term for it is, but sometimes it's cringeworthy. The scary thing is it exemplifies a world where everyone thinks they are a super star, a big shot, a wonder to behold, when they are actually a kid with no talent prancing around in their bedroom.

Apparently there are some that are regarded as important people just for dancing nicely, and weirdly, some of them are called "influencers" because the sheeple think they are special because they look good or something.

I have to admit I no longer recognise the world as it has become, and I don't like it either. Happily I won't have to endure it for too many more years.

[sidgy]

Is there less talent around in the present day?   Maybe

Is there more talentless drivel around?                Without a shadow of doubt

 

I think as in most things, the sheer amount of content available is always going to dilute the real talent so it is always going to appear the bar has been lowered 

[RayWright]

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

I use the same words to describe music of today as I use to describe the phenomenon called TikTok:

 

"Content made by those without talent for those without taste."

 

Granted it is almost ritualistic for one generation to trash what comes after, but even in the 1980s people still played instruments and there was a melody. Today, few can actually play an instrument, and if there is any melody it is saved for the chorus...the rest is just talk, and banal on top of that. Yes, the Beatles could get away with "she loves you, yea, yea, yea", but once is enough. Stuff like "baby, baby, baby, oooh" takes what....one second to write?

 

I might have come later, but I can appreciate Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, John Coltraine....Hendrix and Santana...nobody today of comparable skill.

 

As for voices, female voices in particular are gone. Nina Symone had a voice. So did Stevie Nicks. Chaka Khan. Amy Winehouse had a voice. Ann Wilson of Heart could sing. Anybody today? And without Autotune? Vapid, pedestrian voices that are a dime a dozen. ZERO presence. Singers think running all around a chord is talent. Christine Aguilera started that, but it got old in an instant. Now it just sounds silly.

 

There used to be arrangement, too. Listen to Earth, Wind and Fire. The arrangements put together by Maurice White were both fun and sophisticated, especially when he let Philip Bailey run free in vocals.

 

Heck, I'm the farthest thing from a country fan, but listen to Glen Campbell on Gentle on My Mind (great lyrics) or his astonishing guitar mastery. Is there a new Michael Hedges, Leo Kottke, Eddie Van Halen, Mark Knopfler out there?  No.

 

Some songs last through the generations. I am willing to bet NOTHING from the last decade will be heard a decade or two from now. Throwaway drivel. Pabulum. Like TikTok.

Re Stevie Nicks, when playing live since the late 70's, the Autotune hadn't been invented (late 90's I think), but the Eventide Harmonizer had, and was much needed to maintain a perfect vocal. 

[LaosLover]

Been listening to the same out of time music since the mid-70's: Afro-cuban, Roots Reggae, Pre-disco Funk, West African Dance Music, Post-bob Soul Jazz. It was never in any way "in", so it's never been in any way "out".  

 

Went to Carnegie Hall recently to see an Afro-Futurism show, featuring the music of weirdo Jazz-legend, Sun Ra. I used to go see Sun Ra in a club with six other people; now those show are legend.  The slightly far out, afro-centric consciousness music never really ages.

[Old Croc]

7 hours ago, Walker88 said:

I use the same words to describe music of today as I use to describe the phenomenon called TikTok:

 

"Content made by those without talent for those without taste."

 

Granted it is almost ritualistic for one generation to trash what comes after, but even in the 1980s people still played instruments and there was a melody. Today, few can actually play an instrument, and if there is any melody it is saved for the chorus...the rest is just talk, and banal on top of that. Yes, the Beatles could get away with "she loves you, yea, yea, yea", but once is enough. Stuff like "baby, baby, baby, oooh" takes what....one second to write?

 

I might have come later, but I can appreciate Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, John Coltraine....Hendrix and Santana...nobody today of comparable skill.

 

As for voices, female voices in particular are gone. Nina Symone had a voice. So did Stevie Nicks. Chaka Khan. Amy Winehouse had a voice. Ann Wilson of Heart could sing. Anybody today? And without Autotune? Vapid, pedestrian voices that are a dime a dozen. ZERO presence. Singers think running all around a chord is talent. Christine Aguilera started that, but it got old in an instant. Now it just sounds silly.

 

There used to be arrangement, too. Listen to Earth, Wind and Fire. The arrangements put together by Maurice White were both fun and sophisticated, especially when he let Philip Bailey run free in vocals.

 

Heck, I'm the farthest thing from a country fan, but listen to Glen Campbell on Gentle on My Mind (great lyrics) or his astonishing guitar mastery. Is there a new Michael Hedges, Leo Kottke, Eddie Van Halen, Mark Knopfler out there?  No.

 

Some songs last through the generations. I am willing to bet NOTHING from the last decade will be heard a decade or two from now. Throwaway drivel. Pabulum. Like TikTok.

Try listening to Angelina Jordan.

[lazygourmet]

Already discussed +40 years ago...

 

[OneMoreFarang]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

the younger demographic that likes electronic garbage seems to be deaf, so they play it so loudly that it annoys people 100s of meters away. All part of the antisocial hooligan element of society as we descend into a new dark age.

And obviously that wouldn't have happened 40 years ago...

 

 

[Peterw42]

16 hours ago, CharlieH said:

What I find curious, is whenever you see a talent show the artists are invariably performing a song from the last century !

Cant remember ever seeing/hearing one from the last 10 years even.

Also, there seems to be a trend of taking an "oldie" and mixing it with a current.

 

Case in point........

 

 

 

Old songs on Talent shows probably has a lot to do with choosing songs that the copyright has expired on, cheap royalties etc.

Same with the Elton John song, its cheap to sample/use some bits of an old song. Nobody is going to allow someone to use/perform bits of a current song.

 

[TheScience]

There's lots of decent music being made. Try NPRs tiny desk and sessions farther back.

 

Yes, loads of krap too especially k/j pop. Really any pop music post 00s.

[jvs]

Lots of good comments here,i listen to music everyday.mostly older 70-90's

music but also new music.

Imo it is very simple,when we were younger we listened to the radio a lot and we

were presented with all kinds of quality music,maybe it was your taste or not.

Now good new music will not be presented to you but you will have to go look for it!

It is out there! A lot of it,someone mentioned Angelina Jordan,amazing young artist.

Matthew 7-7.

[Bruno123]

19 hours ago, pgrahmm said:

Yeah - music as we appreciated is dead....Whether rock, love songs, ballads, or country; it's in decline or gone completely out of sight of the rear view mirror....

 

It's all club banging or rapping = which isn't music in my book....

 

I guess it goes with the great age of digital detachment & loss of any kind of people skills.....

 

I actually find solace in a lot of the Thai music, dancers, and entertainers that my family watches/listens to - it still has personality - over the absolute train wreck nightmare most western mainstream "music" has become....

You are sooooooo wrong. You are just stuck in a small space and see only that which is around you.

There is so much good music and great musicians out there that you will not ever hear; because you are the one not searching. You hear mainstream pop and act as if it represents to what everyone is listening.

Are you waiting for it to be played on the radio or in a nightclub?

 

Follow the music; not the money. Money is what pushes some forms of music to the fore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bruno123]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

Lots of good comments here,i listen to music everyday.mostly older 70-90's

music but also new music.

Imo it is very simple,when we were younger we listened to the radio a lot and we

were presented with all kinds of quality music,maybe it was your taste or not.

Now good new music will not be presented to you but you will have to go look for it!

It is out there! A lot of it,someone mentioned Angelina Jordan,amazing young artist.

Matthew 7-7.

 

Funny. I didn't see your post before writing mine. I wrote much the same thing.

[mackayae]

4 hours ago, lazygourmet said:

Already discussed +40 years ago...

 

Wasn't this the first song on MTV?

[NoshowJones]

18 hours ago, transam said:

Nothing would convince me to like Rap music, to me it's just a bloke talking to himself whilst others are banging out a few sounds.

 

There are very old groups out there that would fill a stadium with the click of their fingers, Rolling Stones come to mind, and just imagine if the Beatles were still about, that would be a blast...????

What about The Byrds? Great vocal harmonies and instrumentalists. The Rolling Stones, only one lead singer, harmonies almost non existent. The Beatles only two part harmonies, though Paul McCartney an exceptional lead singer.

[Madgee]

I've got a wide range of genres that I enjoy listening to (with the exception of country music) from the sixties up to the present day. I don't think nothing will surpass the 70s-80s but maybe I'm biased because those were my rebel years!

There's some great songs about in this 'modern era' of music. 

'The Midnight' is a band I come across whilst perusing YouTube a few weeks ago, amazing sax in some of their songs.

Sax begins at 3.20 in this clip:

  

[NoshowJones]

16 hours ago, KannikaP said:

My Dad hated The Shadows and The Beatles. For some reason he liked The Beach Boys, as do I.

The Beach Boys. Great vocal harmonies, just what I like to hear in a band.

[KannikaP]

4 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

The Beach Boys. Great vocal harmonies, just what I like to hear in a band.

The Hollies, The Fortunes, Marmalade, The Ivy League, Harmony Grass, there were so many great British harmony bands in the 60s.

[NoshowJones]

12 hours ago, Walker88 said:

I use the same words to describe music of today as I use to describe the phenomenon called TikTok:

 

"Content made by those without talent for those without taste."

 

Granted it is almost ritualistic for one generation to trash what comes after, but even in the 1980s people still played instruments and there was a melody. Today, few can actually play an instrument, and if there is any melody it is saved for the chorus...the rest is just talk, and banal on top of that. Yes, the Beatles could get away with "she loves you, yea, yea, yea", but once is enough. Stuff like "baby, baby, baby, oooh" takes what....one second to write?

 

I might have come later, but I can appreciate Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, John Coltraine....Hendrix and Santana...nobody today of comparable skill.

 

As for voices, female voices in particular are gone. Nina Symone had a voice. So did Stevie Nicks. Chaka Khan. Amy Winehouse had a voice. Ann Wilson of Heart could sing. Anybody today? And without Autotune? Vapid, pedestrian voices that are a dime a dozen. ZERO presence. Singers think running all around a chord is talent. Christine Aguilera started that, but it got old in an instant. Now it just sounds silly.

 

There used to be arrangement, too. Listen to Earth, Wind and Fire. The arrangements put together by Maurice White were both fun and sophisticated, especially when he let Philip Bailey run free in vocals.

 

Heck, I'm the farthest thing from a country fan, but listen to Glen Campbell on Gentle on My Mind (great lyrics) or his astonishing guitar mastery. Is there a new Michael Hedges, Leo Kottke, Eddie Van Halen, Mark Knopfler out there?  No.

 

Some songs last through the generations. I am willing to bet NOTHING from the last decade will be heard a decade or two from now. Throwaway drivel. Pabulum. Like TikTok.

Glen Campbell great musician and singer, though I have to say I hated that song Gentle on My Mind, the melody did nothing for me at all.