bradiston Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Have a friend (seriously) who got himself into trouble back in 2012/13, not sure exact date, sent down for 10, fessed up, reduced to 5, and out on royal pardon in August 2015. So released almost 7 years back after 2 1/2 years. Immediate deportation back to home country. He'd like to find out if he could make it back here, or whether he would still be blacklisted. I'm going to consult a lawyer for him when I get the chance, but before that it would be nice to hear others' experiences, knowledge, info etc. PS I visited him a number of times in Klong Prem special wing. Conclusion: be good, and if you can't be good, be xxxxxxxx careful is all I can say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted April 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 Ir is fairly easy for a person with contacts at immigration to check his status in the immigration database. All that is needed is his full name, passport number and date of birth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: Ir is fairly easy for a person with contacts at immigration to check his status in the immigration database. All that is needed is his full name, passport number and date of birth. Great, thanks Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunLA Posted April 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 Easy enough, simply apply for a visa, and having a new the PP # may help. They'll either approve or not. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiparovian Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 He should contact his local Thai Embassy/Consulate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Doctor Tom Posted April 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 51 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Easy enough, simply apply for a visa, and having a new the PP # may help. They'll either approve or not. And if approved, absolutely no guarantee that he would not be detained and jailed before being deported again. Possession of a legally obtained visa does not guarantee that you can enter the country. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said: And if approved, absolutely no guarantee that he would not be detained and jailed before being deported again. Possession of a legally obtained visa does not guarantee that you can enter the country. I would think if it's not in the embassy's computer, issuing the visa, then probably nothing to worry about. At worse, not admitted, and have to fly back out, as technically, probably not doing anything illegal. Unless he was told when deported, 'you're blacklisted, don't return'. How else would he find out if blacklisted .... ask. How's that conversation going to go. 'Hi, I was previously deported, can you check if I'm allowed to return ?' "Let me check, thanks for asking, because someone forgot to blacklist you. I've taken care of that for you, and update the info, and NO, now you can not return" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted April 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 59 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Easy enough, simply apply for a visa, and having a new the PP # may help. They'll either approve or not. A embassy has no access to immigrations records nor do they contact immigration when approving a visa application. The first problem after getting a visa is when the airline submits the info to immigration for approval. People been denied boarding their flight after immigration rejected it due to a person being on the blacklist. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Tom Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, KhunLA said: I would think if it's not in the embassy's computer, issuing the visa, then probably nothing to worry about. At worse, not admitted, and have to fly back out, as technically, probably not doing anything illegal. Unless he was told when deported, 'you're blacklisted, don't return'. How else would he find out if blacklisted .... ask. How's that conversation going to go. 'Hi, I was previously deported, can you check if I'm allowed to return ?' "Let me check, thanks for asking, because someone forgot to blacklist you. I've taken care of that for you, and update the info, and NO, now you can not return" One thing is for sure, I doubt that they would be welcoming him back with a big smile and open arms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: A embassy has no access to immigrations records nor do they contact immigration when approving a visa application. The first problem after getting a visa is when the airline submits the info to immigration for approval. People been denied boarding their flight after immigration rejected it due to a person being on the blacklist. Still not a problem, buy a refundable ticket. Again, how else would one know if blacklisted, if not asking, which may get them blacklisted. Bit of a catch 22 Could actually plan ahead, and but a cheap ticket to Cambo or Nam, with long conx time at BKK. This way avoid possibility of no flight, or expensive return flight. Don't think they mind where he goes, as long as he goes .... ???? Along with playing dumb, if denied, and state he didn't realize he couldn't catch his next flight out, without passing thru imm...."oh, I'm sorry, I need to go where....thanks" Edited April 21, 2022 by KhunLA 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriendlyFarang Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Still not a problem, buy a refundable ticket. Again, how else would one know if blacklisted, if not asking, which may get them blacklisted. Bit of a catch 22 Immigration at the smaller immigration offices who don't have much to do can actually be quite helpful. So if I were in this situation I would simply call one of them (or have a Thai speaker call them for you) and just ask them if I'm still blacklisted. Should be no problem for the IO to look this up in their computer if you give them name/dob/passport number. Edited April 21, 2022 by FriendlyFarang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 15 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Again, how else would one know if blacklisted, if not asking, which may get them blacklisted. Did you read my earlier post. 7 hours ago, ubonjoe said: Ir is fairly easy for a person with contacts at immigration to check his status in the immigration database. All that is needed is his full name, passport number and date of birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fugitive Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, FriendlyFarang said: Immigration at the smaller immigration offices who don't have much to do can actually be quite helpful. So if I were in this situation I would simply call one of them (or have a Thai speaker call them for you) and just ask them if I'm still blacklisted. Most helpful advice (plus UbonJoe's of course). I would always ask a Thai person of 'standing' (school teachers seem especially respected) to make enquiries for me. Even if he is blacklisted there may be a way forward. Will never know until he asks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayinThailand2much Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, ubonjoe said: Ir is fairly easy for a person with contacts at immigration to check his status in the immigration database. All that is needed is his full name, passport number and date of birth. Or even easier, why doesn't he travel for a holiday to Asia, buying a cheap ticket from a neighbouring country? If he gets stopped trying to enter, he'll know... (This being the pandemic, you may want to pick a departure country that you can easily travel back to, if you are blacklisted in Thailand.) Edited April 21, 2022 by StayinThailand2much 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaphase Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 You don't get blacklisted for being in jail generally. Just return and come back Your friend would have been told this..and you don't do 'a 10 stretch' at big tiger. Under 15 years you're at the jail where u got nicked usually. I smell <deleted> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaphase Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I have a contact at immigration that can check for you for 3000b if u pm his name passport port details. He checked mine when I got out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, justaphase said: You don't get blacklisted for being in jail generally. Just return and come back Your friend would have been told this..and you don't do 'a 10 stretch' at big tiger. Under 15 years you're at the jail where u got nicked usually. I smell <deleted> Nor sure quite what you're smelling, but it ain't xxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, justaphase said: I have a contact at immigration that can check for you for 3000b if u pm his name passport port details. He checked mine when I got out. That was Joe's advice. I'll make enquiries. Thanks. Edited April 21, 2022 by bradiston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guru Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, KhunLA said: Easy enough, simply apply for a visa, and having a new the PP # may help. They'll either approve or not. A higher profile case but Sandra Gregory was refused entry despite having a valid visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAFETY FIRST Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, PJ71 said: 2 hours ago, CH1961 said: Please tell us where you and your friend usually can be found. So that I can avoid this place in the future. What a stupid comment Judging by the reactions his comment is liked more than yours. So who has the stupid comment? ???? ___________________ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tubby johnson Posted April 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 Hopefully, if Thailand has any sense, trash like this is blacklisted forever. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhaoYai Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Provided his biometrics haven't been taken................name change and new passport??? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, tubby johnson said: Hopefully, if Thailand has any sense, trash like this is blacklisted forever. He was pardoned, that carries a lot of weight does it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 15 minutes ago, guru said: A higher profile case but Sandra Gregory was refused entry despite having a valid visa. So she says, and not exactly the most credible source for info. "texted friends in the UK to say she was refused entry to Thailand, despite having a valid visa." No official stating that, just the scumbag telling her friends. Shame they didn't make her do the whole stretch. Can't believe she thought she wasn't blacklisted. Can't fix stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey11 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I got into a spot of bother, court, paid fine. When went to immigration for the offence to be listed on the computer/passport the officer asked me if I wanted to extend my visa as it was about to run out ???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chippendale Posted April 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 8 hours ago, bradiston said: Have a friend (seriously) OK, we believe you this time (lol) Pardoned or not, if you committed a serious crime, what guarantees that you won't reoffend and won't cause more suffering? Why should Thailand take you back? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Tom Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 43 minutes ago, ukrules said: He was pardoned, that carries a lot of weight does it not? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 hours ago, KhunLA said: Still not a problem, buy a refundable ticket. Again, how else would one know if blacklisted, if not asking, which may get them blacklisted. Bit of a catch 22 Could actually plan ahead, and but a cheap ticket to Cambo or Nam, with long conx time at BKK. This way avoid possibility of no flight, or expensive return flight. Don't think they mind where he goes, as long as he goes .... ???? Along with playing dumb, if denied, and state he didn't realize he couldn't catch his next flight out, without passing thru imm...."oh, I'm sorry, I need to go where....thanks" Yes and better still, avoid BKK entry, enter from Cambo at that “ intl” (he he) Pattaya Air Force base civil airport. They probably don’t even have computers there yet ???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sanuk711 Posted April 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, justaphase said: You don't get blacklisted for being in jail generally. Just return and come back Your friend would have been told this..and you don't do 'a 10 stretch' at big tiger. Under 15 years you're at the jail where u got nicked usually. I smell <deleted> Its not quite right justphase-- I did do prison visiting to Klong Prem-- this isn't what you think is BKK Hilton that is Bang Kwang. The men's prison in Nonthaburi Province. Klong Prem is in Chatuchak District, and takes men & women. I had a friend doing 2 years there & his passport was stamped not return--this was 18 years ago ,but I wouldn't have thought it would have changed much in that time. All the Thai jails I have visited are bad-- but the ones in smaller provinces are worse then Klong Prem. Everything depends on how much money you have-- and to a certain extent on your Embassy. The worse prison in Thailand--is the one you can be put into for not really committing what we would think of as a a crime - The IDC. The BKK Immigration Detention Center. With capacity of 500 people it is cramped-- but you rarely see it under 1,000 -1,400 with men, women and children put together-- it really is criminal. How long do you stay there--depends a lot on your embassy. My friend did return bradiston, (I will PM you) . Caged like animals: Inside Bangkok's notorious IDC Photographs show the awful realities of life for detainees whose only 'crime' has been to overstay their visas Bangkok’s (IDC) has long been notorious for the squalid and overcrowded conditions in which inmates — including children, women and the elderly — have been forced to languish for months and even years on end. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanuk711 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, justaphase said: Double posted----sorry Edited April 21, 2022 by sanuk711 Double posted----sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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