KhunLA Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 1 minute ago, ExpatOilWorker said: That is a good start, now we just have to fill in the blank spot. 1 commercial vehicle ... bus, but ... user error ... Sept 2023 ... oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman30 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 13 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: Yes I have, here is a list of all the EV fires in Thailand (not caused by accidents) Begin List End List you must be new here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 16 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: That is a good start, now we just have to fill in the blank spot. You're welcome to try 6 minutes ago, patman30 said: you must be new here Error 1010 Would that be "Fire not Found" ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman30 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: You're welcome to try Error 1010 Would that be "Fire not Found" ? i literally posted an ASEANNow link, you can find it easily as for error 1010 that can be down to YOUR setup "A firewall, proxy, a browser plugin or extension may be throwing a false positive. Try visiting the site with a different browser as an alternative way of accessing the site." you can also find the article on Thaiger but just keep deluding yourself and pretend reality is not real. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 2 minutes ago, patman30 said: i literally posted an ASEANNow link, you can find it easily as for error 1010 that can be down to YOUR setup "A firewall, proxy, a browser plugin or extension may be throwing a false positive. Try visiting the site with a different browser as an alternative way of accessing the site." you can also find the article on Thaiger but just keep deluding yourself and pretend reality is not real. Actually, YOU are the new guy. That article is not about a fire. If you care to read the thread from the beginning that was fumes from the air conditioning system with a 12 volt system short. Try harder! 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 (edited) 5 minutes ago, patman30 said: i literally posted an ASEANNow link, you can find it easily as for error 1010 that can be down to YOUR setup "A firewall, proxy, a browser plugin or extension may be throwing a false positive. Try visiting the site with a different browser as an alternative way of accessing the site." you can also find the article on Thaiger but just keep deluding yourself and pretend reality is not real. Looks like @JBChiangRai response flew right over your head lol. Fire (not file) not found, hahahaha. Edited May 19 by Gweiloman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 8 minutes ago, patman30 said: i literally posted an ASEANNow link, you can find it easily You did not post a link to an EV fire. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 (edited) 20 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: You're welcome to try Thanks 😊. EV fire 🔥 Tracking - Thailand 1. BYD Seal - Ratchaburi roll-over 2..... An-v430cwymF0vqtHxH4I1_IrtPU1YmzcfDF01o53RpzCPseapsiRO-vhSvNfR9_IwuJmoLImXGT_EWvaSgxtZM.mp4 Edited May 19 by ExpatOilWorker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 5 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Thanks 😊. EV fire 🔥 Tracking - Thailand 1. BYD Seal - Ratchaburi roll-over 2..... An-v430cwymF0vqtHxH4I1_IrtPU1YmzcfDF01o53RpzCPseapsiRO-vhSvNfR9_IwuJmoLImXGT_EWvaSgxtZM.mp4 9.68 MB · 0 downloads I did say "not accidents", C+ for effort, F- for accuracy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 5 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Thanks 😊. EV fire 🔥 Tracking - Thailand 1. BYD Seal - Ratchaburi roll-over 2..... An-v430cwymF0vqtHxH4I1_IrtPU1YmzcfDF01o53RpzCPseapsiRO-vhSvNfR9_IwuJmoLImXGT_EWvaSgxtZM.mp4 9.68 MB · 0 downloads Think we can scratch that one up to 'user error', and they were lucky it wasn't a ruptured petrol fuel tank. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman30 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 16 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: Actually, YOU are the new guy. That article is not about a fire. If you care to read the thread from the beginning that was fumes from the air conditioning system with a 12 volt system short. Try harder! firefighters were there very quickly, otherwise it could have been much worse didn't read rest of article after reading "fire" numerous times EV's do catch fire, that is a fact, Thailand as usual may be slow to catch up with the rest of the world lol there is no magic line that prevents them from catching fire here just the fact they are not as common here is why it is seen less or not yet. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 1 minute ago, patman30 said: EV's do catch fire, that is a fact, Luckily this one was not a fire... Foam does nothing ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman30 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Just now, Ralf001 said: Luckily this one was not a fire... Foam does nothing ! Luckily. everything is fine until it isn't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 Just now, patman30 said: Luckily. everything is fine until it isn't. EV owners can sleep easy in their bed knowing their car is between 14 and 130 times less likely to catch fire than an ICE car. (11 to 130 times if you are a numerically challenged dinosaur fuel worker with go faster stickers on your legacy ICE) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 (edited) 14 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: I did say "not accidents", C+ for effort, F- for accuracy Your personal agenda is irrelevant when tracking EV fires, but I guess we should have made a definition. - An EV fire is a fire in an EV, whether caused by technical fault, charging, accident, arson, internal and external reasons. What is NOT an EV fire? 1. A hybrid vehicle fire is not an EV fire. Even if the hybrid battery explode in a thermal runaway, it is still not an EV fire. 2. Electric motorcycles, scooters, bicycles are not counted as EV fires. 3. Electric busses, vans and boats are not counted as EV fires. Edited May 19 by ExpatOilWorker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said: EV owners can sleep easy in their bed knowing their car is between 14 and 130 times less likely to catch fire than an ICE car. (11 to 130 times if you are a numerically challenged dinosaur fuel worker with go faster stickers on your legacy ICE) Got a link to the study to support your numbers ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 1 minute ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Your personal agenda is irrelevant when tracking EV fires, but I guess we should have made a diffraction. - An EV fire is a fire in an EV, whether caused by technical fault, charging, accident, arson, internal and external reasons. What is NOT an EV fire? 1. A hybrid vehicle fire is not an EV fire. Even if the hybrid battery explode in a thermal runaway, it is still not an EV fire. 2. Electric motorcycles, scooters, bicycles are not counted as EV fires. 3. Electric busses, vans and boats are not counted as EV fires. I agree, but also we should only be counting self-igniting fires otherwise it proves nothing on EV battery tech. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 1 minute ago, Ralf001 said: Got a link to the study to support your numbers ? Been posted many, many times, these aren't the ones previously quoted, but they are close enough, here you go... Petrol and diesel cars 20 times more likely to catch fire than EVs (thedriven.io) Open Research Europe | Open Access Publishing Platform (europa.eu) You’re Wrong About EV Fires (motortrend.com) Government data show gasoline vehicles are up to 100x more prone to fires than EVs | Electrek Electric vehicle fires are very rare. The risk for petrol and diesel vehicles is at least 20 times higher (theconversation.com) How much of a fire risk are electric vehicles? | Autocar 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 (edited) 25 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Think we can scratch that one up to 'user error', and they were lucky it wasn't a ruptured petrol fuel tank. I don't see a cherry tree involved in the accident 🤷 . Just like ICE fires, all fires count. An9RP98PQWl6g3-FVf8iLm57oJnYj3IfMt9RJ2FVySq57QQrw3fHvC4jrhBbiB-KdN2S-s1fxrJ2HQc5tbpmNgc.mp4 Edited May 19 by ExpatOilWorker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ralf001 Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: Been posted many, many times, these aren't the ones previously quoted, but they are close enough, here you go... Petrol and diesel cars 20 times more likely to catch fire than EVs (thedriven.io) Open Research Europe | Open Access Publishing Platform (europa.eu) You’re Wrong About EV Fires (motortrend.com) Government data show gasoline vehicles are up to 100x more prone to fires than EVs | Electrek Electric vehicle fires are very rare. The risk for petrol and diesel vehicles is at least 20 times higher (theconversation.com) How much of a fire risk are electric vehicles? | Autocar None of them mention the 11 to 130 numbers you claim.... which begs the question, Are you telling porking pies ? 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 LOL This one says between 61 and 139 times more likely, will that do? Study: Hybrids Involved in More Fires Than EVs and Gas-Powered Vehicles - The Car Guide (guideautoweb.com) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Bit more on the Ratchaburi EV fire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf001 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: LOL This one says between 61 and 139 times more likely, will that do? Study: Hybrids Involved in More Fires Than EVs and Gas-Powered Vehicles - The Car Guide (guideautoweb.com) Yeah interesting, good to see you found yet another article that does not back up your previous claims ! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 20 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: I don't see a cherry tree involved in the accident 🤷 . Just like ICE fires, all fires count. An9RP98PQWl6g3-FVf8iLm57oJnYj3IfMt9RJ2FVySq57QQrw3fHvC4jrhBbiB-KdN2S-s1fxrJ2HQc5tbpmNgc.mp4 So if I drop my doobie in the car, and it catches on fire, it's an EV fire, even thought the battery didn't even ignite, and was put out swiftly Saying that ... those insurance numbers, and admittedly, possibly up to 65% of the ICEV fires were thefts / scam claims and intentionally set. Still the fires per 100k claims are statistically way higher the EV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 29 minutes ago, KhunLA said: So if I drop my doobie in the car, and it catches on fire, it's an EV fire That is correct and since you are high your house will also burn down, but that will be classified as a separate house fire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 47 minutes ago, Ralf001 said: Yeah interesting, good to see you found yet another article that does not back up your previous claims ! You're a sore loser Ralfy boy. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post josephbloggs Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 (edited) Interesting. Apparently will be installed and shipped in cars this year. The article is a little short on technical detail though but LFP, a 1,000 km range and 400 kms from a 10 minute charge. https://www.yahoo.com/tech/china-develops-revolutionary-electric-car-113440354.html#:~:text=The IEA's Global Critical Minerals,this year%2C the IEA said. Ah, more technical detail on CATL's website. Actually 600kms from a 10 minute charge - they are building their own super fast charging network in China so you wouldn't get that here, but the technology is improving in leaps and bounds and will eventually spread globally. Bring it on. https://www.catl.com/en/news/6239.html Edited May 19 by josephbloggs 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ralf001 Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: You're a sore loser Ralfy boy. How do you figure that ? You posted EV's are 14 and 130 times less likely to catch fire than an ICE car, I asked you for the study that confirmed your numbers. You failed spectacularly to provide this. 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yellowtail Posted May 19 Popular Post Share Posted May 19 2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said: Yes I have, here is a list of all the EV fires in Thailand (not caused by accidents) Begin List End List All of the EV fires in Thailand are started on purpose? For the insurance? 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 1 hour ago, Ralf001 said: How do you figure that ? You posted EV's are 14 and 130 times less likely to catch fire than an ICE car, I asked you for the study that confirmed your numbers. You failed spectacularly to provide this. it's really been posted too many times, by myself & others. The repetitive queries are tiring. Google is your friend. Pick a link ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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