Elon Musk to buy Twitter

[SunnyinBangrak]

On 5/3/2022 at 1:05 AM, heybruce said:

It would be interesting to know why they were re-banned.  I assume it was for posting lies about the 2020 election.

Good point. Why do conservatives get banned for doubting the 2020 results, when we had 4 years of prominent members of the left doing exactly the same thing? No wonder Musk was annoyed enough to throw down $40 billion to level the playing field.

 

"In 2016, Jean-Pierre said that Trump had stolen the presidential election from Hilary Clinton. She said, "Stolen emails, stolen drone, stolen election..... welcome to the world of #UnPresidented Trump."

 

https://thepostmillennial.com/revealed-bidens-new-press-secretary-made-stolen-election-claims-against-republicans?utm_campaign=64502

[LarrySR]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Good point. Why do conservatives get banned for doubting the 2020 results, when we had 4 years of prominent members of the left doing exactly the same thing? No wonder Musk was annoyed enough to throw down $40 billion to level the playing field.

 

"In 2016, Jean-Pierre said that Trump had stolen the presidential election from Hilary Clinton. She said, "Stolen emails, stolen drone, stolen election..... welcome to the world of #UnPresidented Trump."

 

https://thepostmillennial.com/revealed-bidens-new-press-secretary-made-stolen-election-claims-against-republicans?utm_campaign=64502

People that still doubt the 2020 election need their heads examined. 
Those insincere actors that spread lies on Twitter need to be banned.
Didn’t you see what happened on January 6 when the numbskull demographic that believe in nonsense, dressed in tactical gear, carrying pitchforks and baseball bats stormed the Capital and tried to lynch the VP. 
There are obviously just too many stupid people out there to let BS like that be spread. 
Twitter made the right call to ban them. 

 

Nobody doubts the election results except some gullible fools and violent meatheads. Twitter doesn’t want to be part of the charade.  

. 

Edited May 10, 2022 by LarrySR

[Berkshire]

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Good point. Why do conservatives get banned for doubting the 2020 results, when we had 4 years of prominent members of the left doing exactly the same thing? No wonder Musk was annoyed enough to throw down $40 billion to level the playing field.

 

"In 2016, Jean-Pierre said that Trump had stolen the presidential election from Hilary Clinton. She said, "Stolen emails, stolen drone, stolen election..... welcome to the world of #UnPresidented Trump."

 

https://thepostmillennial.com/revealed-bidens-new-press-secretary-made-stolen-election-claims-against-republicans?utm_campaign=64502

Hmmm...."thepostmillennial." 

 

"Overall, we rate The Post Millennial Right Biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed in reporting due to publishing unsubstantiated claims and having several failed fact checks."

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-post-millennial/

[LarrySR]

According to an exhaustive media analysis by Harvard and MIT computer scientists using artificial intelligence to analyze millions of news articles, the blissfully misinformed right wing media viewers dwell in an alternative reality of fake news and conspiracy theories. They are intentionally locked into a right wing propaganda feedback loop.
The goal is to corral the undereducated, racists, homophobic bigots, religious and conspiracy theorists types into their “Big Tent”, deliberately agitate and infuriate them and convince them to support tax breaks for the wealthy and corporate deregulation to enhance profits. 

https://cyber.harvard.edu/story/2018-11/how-propaganda-feedback-loop-right-wing-media-keeps-more-qu

 

Right wing media consumers believe fake news is real and real news is fake & are bewildered when Twitter fact checks the lies and propaganda. 

Edited May 10, 2022 by LarrySR

[LarrySR]

Twitter vindicated in their censoring right wing propaganda and banning those that spread harmful disinformation. 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/oan-finally-admits-no-widespread-022816382.html

“The right-wing cable network One America News Network on Monday acknowledging that there was “no widespread voter fraud”  in the 2020 presidential election noting that an investigation by state officials into unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud made by ex-President Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani. 
Rudy Giuliani and Sean Hannity who falsely claimed “blatant, clear, obvious” fraud while speaking to Georgia State House Republicans during a Zoom meeting.

Giuliani at one point can be heard saying, “We should try to get this on Newsmax and OANN.”

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by LarrySR

[EVENKEEL]

On 5/7/2022 at 1:12 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

What’s this ‘far left’ nonsense you mention?

You're right, the far left and nonsense go hand in hand.

[LarrySR]

34 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You're right, the far left and nonsense go hand in hand.

"Nonsense" ....like health care, education, higher minimum wages, taxes on the wealthy, equal rights, women rights, strong military, immigration reform, sensible gun laws and environmental protection. 

 

Of course if one is a right wing media consumer they believe the left are anti American, communist, socialist, baby killers that want to send off the old white guys to their death panel, tax middle class, take away their guns, let murdering drug dealing killer rapists waltz across an open border, let black people move to the suburbs and worst of all...they want to turn your little boy into a girl scout!!

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by LarrySR

[EVENKEEL]

4 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

"Nonsense" ....like health care, education, higher minimum wages, taxes on the wealthy, equal rights, women rights, strong military, immigration reform, sensible gun laws and environmental protection. 

 

You forgot crime and inflation.

[LarrySR]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You forgot crime and inflation.

Can always spot the Fox viewer in the comments. 

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

Can always spot the Fox viewer in the comments. 

Does that mean high rising crime and inflation is fake news? Heck even CNN is reporting that.

[LarrySR]

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Does that mean high rising crime and inflation is fake news? Heck even CNN is reporting that.

Inflation is caused by several things.

1. Trumps $7.8 trillion debt. (Biden cut the deficit by $350 billion so far)

2. Trumps really stupid tariffs that raised the cost of imports.

3. The worldwide pandemic lockdown of the supply chain for 2 years. You have heard of supply and demand, no?

4. Putins war. (gas prices)

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

Inflation is caused by several things.

1. Trumps $7.8 trillion debt. (Biden cut the deficit by $350 billion so far)

2. Trumps really stupid tariffs that raised the cost of imports.

3. The worldwide pandemic lockdown of the supply chain for 2 years. You have heard of supply and demand, no?

4. Putins war. (gas prices)

I really hope you don't believe your own drivel, I suppose crime is also Trump and putin's fault.

[LarrySR]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I really hope you don't believe your own drivel, I suppose crime is also Trump and putin's fault.

Can you articulate the Biden policy that supposedly increased crime in his first year in office?

 

edit=I just checked 8 of the 10 murder states in 2021 voted for Trump...

Edited May 10, 2022 by LarrySR

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, LarrySR said:

Can you articulate the Biden policy that supposedly increased crime in his first year in office?

 

edit=I just checked 8 of the 10 murder states in 2021 voted for Trump...

I'm leaving before the cops come.

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I really hope you don't believe your own drivel, I suppose crime is also Trump and putin's fault.

Is this drivel?

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-2022-lawsuit-court-case-timeline-2022-1

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Is this drivel?

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-2022-lawsuit-court-case-timeline-2022-1

 

 

What don't you understand about Mr Trump is not POTUS. Now back to Musk and twitter.

[ozimoron]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

What don't you understand about Mr Trump is not POTUS. Now back to Musk and twitter.

He wants to be and you are the one who mentioned his name and crime in the same sentence, lol

[heybruce]

16 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Good point. Why do conservatives get banned for doubting the 2020 results, when we had 4 years of prominent members of the left doing exactly the same thing? No wonder Musk was annoyed enough to throw down $40 billion to level the playing field.

 

"In 2016, Jean-Pierre said that Trump had stolen the presidential election from Hilary Clinton. She said, "Stolen emails, stolen drone, stolen election..... welcome to the world of #UnPresidented Trump."

 

https://thepostmillennial.com/revealed-bidens-new-press-secretary-made-stolen-election-claims-against-republicans?utm_campaign=64502

What "prominent members of the left" are denying election results?  Any members of Congress or ex-Presidents?  Is a prominent left wing former President soliciting hundreds of millions of dollars in donations to fight a non-existent stolen election?  When has a mob of left wingers stormed the nation's Capital to overturn an election result?

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

You forgot crime and inflation.

Under Trump there were significantly more mass shootings resulting in ten or more fatalities, in spite of the pandemic slowing down the opportunity for such shootings.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

 

There were many more hate crimes as well.  https://www.newsweek.com/hate-crimes-under-trump-surged-nearly-20-percent-says-fbi-report-1547870

 

The economy crashing prevented inflation. 

Edited May 10, 2022 by heybruce

[SunnyinBangrak]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

What "prominent members of the left" are denying election results?  Any members of Congress or ex-Presidents?  Is a prominent left wing former President soliciting hundreds of millions of dollars in donations to fight a non-existent stolen election?  When has a mob of left wingers stormed the nation's Capital to overturn an election result?

Both H Clinton and Joe Biden said Trump was an "illegitimate President" ie they denied the result of the 2016 election. You may have forgotten but 4 years was wasted falsely accusing him of cheating in the 2016 election by having colluded with Putin to cause Hillary to lose. Didn't they even try impeaching him for this without evidence? Didn't remember any of them getting banned from Twitter for such anti democracy actions and repeated misinformation. Don't remember any media outlets getting banned from Twitter for repeatedly promoting the disinformation that is the Steele dossier - we now know where that came from.

 

Today we have a rare breath of common sense. 

 

Elon Musk Says He Would Reverse Donald Trump’s Twitter Ban
‘I think that was a mistake because it alienated a large part of the country,’ he says

https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-would-reverse-twitters-donald-trump-ban-11652204279

 

And also another low - this time from prominent leftist Lori Lightfoot calling for armed insurrection(and not getting banned from Twitter)

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To my friends in the LGBTQ+ community—the Supreme Court is coming for us next. This moment has to be a call to arms.</p>&mdash; Lori Lightfoot (@LoriLightfoot) <a href="https://twitter.com/LoriLightfoot/status/1523844510735908864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by SunnyinBangrak
tried and failed to embed tweet

[EVENKEEL]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

Under Trump there were significantly more mass shootings resulting in ten or more fatalities, in spite of the pandemic slowing down the opportunity for such shootings.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

 

There were many more hate crimes as well.  https://www.newsweek.com/hate-crimes-under-trump-surged-nearly-20-percent-says-fbi-report-1547870

 

The economy crashing prevented inflation. 

So, only mass shootings are the sole indicator of crime in your world. Why did you even bother. Why does everyone bring up Trump. biden must answer for himself for why the country is in such bad shape.

[LarrySR]

16 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

 

Elon Musk Says He Would Reverse Donald Trump’s Twitter Ban
‘I think that was a mistake because it alienated a large part of the country,’ he says

https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-would-reverse-twitters-donald-trump-ban-11652204279

 

 

OK ...But what about the 'undereducated,' conspiracy nuts, trailer trash, religious crackpots, bigots, homophobes, white supremacists, simpletons & meatheads (Trumps base) that dress in tactical gear, carry pitchforks/baseball bats and believe what Trump says,... then what?

[LarrySR]

17 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

So, only mass shootings are the sole indicator of crime in your world. Why did you even bother. Why does everyone bring up Trump. biden must answer for himself for why the country is in such bad shape.

FBI & DHS crime report says right wing terrorism quadrupled during the Trump administration. A majority of it linked to white supremacists.

Certainly, even you don't want that crowd reading Trumps deranged Tweets?

 

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

So, only mass shootings are the sole indicator of crime in your world. Why did you even bother. Why does everyone bring up Trump. biden must answer for himself for why the country is in such bad shape.

Mass shootings and hate crimes are the kind of crimes that the Federal Government can do something about.  Most other crimes that show up in statistics can only be dealt with at the state or local level. 

 

Are you arguing that Biden should expand federal crime fighting to take care of local affairs? 

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Both H Clinton and Joe Biden said Trump was an "illegitimate President" ie they denied the result of the 2016 election. You may have forgotten but 4 years was wasted falsely accusing him of cheating in the 2016 election by having colluded with Putin to cause Hillary to lose. Didn't they even try impeaching him for this without evidence? Didn't remember any of them getting banned from Twitter for such anti democracy actions and repeated misinformation. Don't remember any media outlets getting banned from Twitter for repeatedly promoting the disinformation that is the Steele dossier - we now know where that came from.

 

Today we have a rare breath of common sense. 

 

Elon Musk Says He Would Reverse Donald Trump’s Twitter Ban
‘I think that was a mistake because it alienated a large part of the country,’ he says

https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-would-reverse-twitters-donald-trump-ban-11652204279

 

And also another low - this time from prominent leftist Lori Lightfoot calling for armed insurrection(and not getting banned from Twitter)

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To my friends in the LGBTQ+ community—the Supreme Court is coming for us next. This moment has to be a call to arms.</p>&mdash; Lori Lightfoot (@LoriLightfoot) <a href="https://twitter.com/LoriLightfoot/status/1523844510735908864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

 

I confess I read and replied to your post too quickly.  I now see you posted "Why do conservatives get banned for doubting the 2020 results...".

 

I should have pointed out that conservatives aren't banned for doubting the 2020 election results.  They get banned for claiming the election was illegitimate without offering evidence, or for citing non-existent or disproven "evidence" as fact. They also get banned for inciting violence.

 

Clinton and Biden were expressing opinions years after the fact in your unreferenced example above.  You don't get banned for expressing an opinion.

 

Trump was telling his followers that the election was stolen and telling them to fight at the time the election results were being certified.  Do you understand the difference?

[Chomper Higgot]

Please can we get back to Twitter and park the political false narratives of why certain people get banned.

 

Twitter bans people for inciting violence, inciting hatred, inciting crimes/harm to others and COVID misinformation.

 

I doubt very much Twitter under Musk will make any significant changes to those ‘banned’ behaviors and I see no sensible argument why Twitter should do so.

 

 

Edited May 11, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Berkshire]

I still think the odds of Musk actually buying Twitter is around 50/50.  The market is still skeptical....

 

"Earlier on Tuesday, Twitter shares fell to a level that indicated the stock market believed it was unlikely Musk would make the acquisition for $44 billion, as he originally agreed."

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-musk-says-reverse-twitter-174737879.html

[KanchanaburiGuy]

6 hours ago, LarrySR said:

FBI & DHS crime report says right wing terrorism quadrupled during the Trump administration. A majority of it linked to white supremacists.

Certainly, even you don't want that crowd reading Trumps deranged Tweets?

 

The problem with saying "quadrupled" without also citing the relevant numbers is....... 

 

Going from 2 to 8 would be "quadrupled"............ but "8" would still be an insignificant number, in the scheme of things.

 

So, what numbers are you talking about, when you say "quadrupled?" And are those numbers really large enough to be cause for any greater concern? 

 

Furthermore.......... 

 

The scope and scale of the aforementioned "terrorism" needs to be factored in, also.

 

Personally, I wouldn't call, say, ten acts of graffiti or two acts of vandalism or "cross burning"........... anywhere near as severe as a single "White Supremacists" March or Rally. And without question, they are MILES away from, say, a lynching or a bombing!

 

So, just saying "right-wing terrorism" is not nearly enough. Cuz it takes a whole lot of Sticks-and-Stones.......….. to even come close to equaling one seriously violent act! 

 

Wanna try filling-in some of those cavernous gaps, now? 

 

Cheers! 

[KanchanaburiGuy]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Please can we get back to Twitter and park the political false narratives of why certain people get banned.

 

Twitter bans people for inciting violence, inciting hatred, inciting crimes/harm to others and COVID misinformation.

 

I doubt very much Twitter under Musk will make any significant changes to those ‘banned’ behaviors and I see no sensible argument why Twitter should do so.

 

 

Do you have evidence that something posted on Twitter can incite violence, as opposed to those people being prepped and primed to commit violence, anyway? 

 

If you---or Twitter---can't prove that things posted on their site can actually trigger  a violent reaction........... then Twitter shouldn't ban people as if they do! 

 

"Might" and "can" are both weak arguments. Before taking away a person's voice---their so-called "Freedom of Speech"---there ought to be at least SOME proof that what they're claiming can happen........... actually CAN happen! 

 

. 

 

Now, Twitter is a business and they get to make these decisions for themselves. But as consumers of their product, it's reasonable to expect them to offer truthful answer to these questions, not just theory and hyperbole.

 

Because....... 

 

Capricious behavior now........

almost always predicts...........

capricious behavior in the future! 

 

Musk buying Twitter has the potential to alter that, perhaps radically. 

 

(And that's why discussing things that have---or could---result in major alterations in Twitter's management decisions.......... matters!) 

 

Cheers! 

[Bkk Brian]

Isn't twitter supposed to be a universal social media platform for everyone above the ages of 13? Similar to Facebook.

 

As such then I see no justification for normalizing hate speech, inciting violence, suicide, rape, extreme gore, child abuse, self harm etc

 

For people who want to associate with that sort of content perhaps platforms such as Telegram are better suited?