Butter, Margarine or Fat Spread?

[mahtin]

11 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

That is a very good price. Mind sharing the source?

https://expatfoodsthailand.com/shop/chilled-products/cheese-dairy-products/herritage-salted-butter-1kg-approx-weight/

 

Minimum order 1000 Baht, plus polystyrene boxed shipping about 300 Baht. The shop has a good selection.

I buy mature cheddar there every couple of months.

[Lacessit]

42 minutes ago, huangnon said:

The food industry has pushed the "low fat" mantra since the 60's, replacing a lot foods rich in healthy saturated fats with processed sugar.

Link

I agree sugar is difficult to avoid in most processed foods.

 

It seems to be generally agreed the Mediterranean diet, with its accent on unsaturated olive oil, is one of the most healthy heart-wise.

 

IMO cardiovascular disease in America comes down to a fairly simple metric - body mass.

If one's heart has to lug around an extra 30 kg of body weight, it's pretty logical the strain on said heart is more than someone of normal weight for their height and age.

 

The other factor is the size of meals in America. Every time I was there, the restaurants seemed to think anything less than a plate piled higher than a dumpster on garbage day was somehow defrauding the customer.

[ravip]

47 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And do you expect to get an answer to that here? 555 

Why not?

Yes I know, there are many here who post only to increase their post counts with absolutely nothing useful, but also I have found others who post very knowledgeable, useful and helpful posts.

In a public forum, after awhile one knows exactly how to separate the wheat from the chaff... that's life on this planet, I believe.

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, huangnon said:

The food industry has pushed the "low fat" mantra since the 60's, replacing a lot foods rich in healthy saturated fats with processed sugar.

Link

So presumably you eat a high fat diet? What's your BMI?

[Sheryl]

1 hour ago, mahtin said:

https://expatfoodsthailand.com/shop/chilled-products/cheese-dairy-products/herritage-salted-butter-1kg-approx-weight/

 

Minimum order 1000 Baht, plus polystyrene boxed shipping about 300 Baht. The shop has a good selection.

I buy mature cheddar there every couple of months.

Can't believe I didn't know about this site! Thanks!

[Lacessit]

15 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

So presumably you eat a high fat diet? What's your BMI?

It's possible to eat normal levels of fat, provided one has trained their metabolism to utilize it rather than sugar. That's the basis of low-carb diets.

BMI can be somewhat misleading. Most midfielders in Australian Rules football fail BMI criteria miserably, because they are all muscle. The preferred method of measurement is skin fold testing.

[scubascuba3]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

It's possible to eat normal levels of fat, provided one has trained their metabolism to utilize it rather than sugar. That's the basis of low-carb diets.

BMI can be somewhat misleading. Most midfielders in Australian Rules football fail BMI criteria miserably, because they are all muscle. The preferred method of measurement is skin fold testing.

Everyone likes to dismiss BMI when it's too high, ok if elite muscular sports person, not an average person on aseannow.com. What's your BMI?

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Quite expensive surprise surprise, 289 baht, Big C, expat shops, Lazada, Shopee. I buy the Tesco own brand version about 90 baht

But do they have it at Lotus's?

[scubascuba3]

1 minute ago, KannikaP said:

But do they have it at Lotus's?

Don't know but buy this one 90 baht,  you'll thank me later. Free delivery over 300 baht

 

https://shopee.co.th/product/435479330/3889931329?smtt=0.276239321-1653386474.9

[herfiehandbag]

7 hours ago, ravip said:

Marmite is available in Thailand? I've never seen it on the shelves!

I've seen it from time to time in TOPs supermarket.

 

Big C often has Vegemite if you like the poor relation - over to you Australians!

[KhunLA]

29 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Everyone likes to dismiss BMI when it's too high, ok if elite muscular sports person, not an average person on aseannow.com. What's your BMI?

BMI doesn't work for me.  Put in my numbers for when out of boot camp, best shape ever, and not much different than now, a couple kgs, and has me borderline overweight, then, and overweight now.   That's silly.   

 

 

[JetsetBkk]

I always buy Flora. But my favourite cereal is a ridiculous price now:

I did buy several packs from Shopee at 129 Bt months ago.

Ah, the good old days...

[scubascuba3]

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

BMI doesn't work for me.  Put in my numbers for when out of boot camp, best shape ever, and not much different than now, a couple kgs, and has me borderline overweight, then, and overweight now.   That's silly.   

 

 

hard to comment on you, but definitely a majority of people don't understand what "healthy BMI range" looks like. Scotland for example average dress size is 16 and they think it's normal, a friends wife commented my girlfriend was anorexic who was size 10 and healthy for sure, to her size 16 is normal

Edited May 24, 2022 by scubascuba3

[eezergood]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

The metric is saturated fats, butter contains significant amounts of stearic and palmitic acid esters. Margarines made with vegetable oils, and that are not hydrogenated, are almost all unsaturated esters based on oleic, linoleic, and linolenic acids.

Here in lies the first issue - most margarines (we are discussing here in Thailand) are made with low grade oils, which are high in trans fats. However people bleat on about these being illegal/banned/controlled etc they are ever present. 

 

Butter is high in saturated fat, which (unless you eat lbs daily) is far healthier than polyunsaturated fats - not to mention butter has a reasonable quantity of CLA and the risks of heart disease & fat consumption has been well documented. 

 

Further more the "processing" that goes into butter is negligible, not to mention the fact that its delicious. 

[The Hammer2021]

Margarine is the waste by product of industry dyed yellow- its incredibly unhealthy -

Basically what tastes  best? BUTTER

[bang saen guy]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

Can't believe I didn't know about this site! Thanks!

Me neither. I have been paying almost 200 baht for 454 grams of good butter from the Bakery Club in Ang Sila

Edited May 24, 2022 by bang saen guy

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Don't know but buy this one 90 baht,  you'll thank me later. Free delivery over 300 baht

 

https://shopee.co.th/product/435479330/3889931329?smtt=0.276239321-1653386474.9

Bht 100 + 38 shipping from Lazada. COD.

[scubascuba3]

1 minute ago, KannikaP said:

Bht 100 + 38 shipping from Lazada. COD.

It says 90 baht? I bought 3 of them previously

Edited May 24, 2022 by scubascuba3

[FriendlyFarang]

You shouldn't eat much of any of them, so choose the one that tastes the best, in my opinion clearly butter.

[KannikaP]

26 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

It says 90 baht? I bought 3 of them previously

My supplier says Bht 100. Couldn't be 4rsed looking more to save Bht 30

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, eezergood said:

Here in lies the first issue - most margarines (we are discussing here in Thailand) are made with low grade oils, which are high in trans fats. However people bleat on about these being illegal/banned/controlled etc they are ever present. 

 

Butter is high in saturated fat, which (unless you eat lbs daily) is far healthier than polyunsaturated fats - not to mention butter has a reasonable quantity of CLA and the risks of heart disease & fat consumption has been well documented. 

 

Further more the "processing" that goes into butter is negligible, not to mention the fact that its delicious. 

I only buy margarine imported from Australia, and with an olive oil or canola base.

 

The argument rages on social media as to whether saturated fats or unsaturated oils are better health-wise, the Mediterranean diet supports the latter.

 

There is no such thing as a polyunsaturated fat, they are all oils. When manufacturers hydrogenate a polyunsaturated oil, then it becomes a saturated fat. And yes, trans fats are bad news.

 

You'll have to help me out with what CLA is, Google tells me it is a Mercedes model.

 

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Everyone likes to dismiss BMI when it's too high, ok if elite muscular sports person, not an average person on aseannow.com. What's your BMI?

25.9. Resting pulse rate 55 bpm.

[scubascuba3]

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

25.9. Resting pulse rate 55 bpm.

Not too bad, falls into the overweight range

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Not too bad, falls into the overweight range

Family genetics mean I will always battle to get into normal range. OTOH, I'll never have to worry about osteoporosis.

I'd like to be around to see how you compare at age 79, but it's unlikely.

[realviking48]

Dr. Ekberg is the best nutritionist on YouTube.... Listen/watch this video and you will learn very much.

[scubascuba3]

9 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Family genetics mean I will always battle to get into normal range. OTOH, I'll never have to worry about osteoporosis.

I'd like to be around to see how you compare at age 79, but it's unlikely.

From what I've seen, people who exercise seem to lose weight as they get older, eat less etc, lose muscle. I've cracked what I need to do to lose a kg if required, now BMI 22.9, could go lower if I wanted. If I make it to 79 I suspect I'll be similar, and I should add I'm big on carbs and sugar, not sugar phobic

Edited May 24, 2022 by scubascuba3

[Lacessit]

Just now, scubascuba3 said:

From what I've seen, people who exercise seem to lose weight as they get older, eat less etc, lose muscle. I've cracked what I need to do to lose a kg if required, now BMI 22.9, could go lower if I wanted. If I make it to 79 I suspect I'll be similar

Quite right, that's why I have daily exercise routines to maintain or build muscle mass. It's a balancing act.

I haven't reduced my food intake, just become more selective in what I eat.

[Lacessit]

16 minutes ago, realviking48 said:

Dr. Ekberg is the best nutritionist on YouTube.... Listen/watch this video and you will learn very much.

It's interesting to note every single product he mentions in the video is a packaged or processed food. Not a single fresh food gets a mention.

 

[Hummin]

It's going to be real butter or nothing depending of what I put on additionally, so no butter and bacon for an example or if I eat caviar, cheese tomato 

 

 

 

[huangnon]

15 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

So presumably you eat a high fat diet? What's your BMI?

24.2 I am pretty healthy according to my Doc. Exercise keeps the weight off, and just just cut out sugars and over-processed food.