The next U.S. abortion battle is over pills, and it's already begun

[onthedarkside]

 

WASHINGTON, May 26 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court has not yet released its decision that looks set to dramatically scale back abortion rights, but one of the next legal battles has already begun in a Mississippi court.

 

That is where the manufacturer of a pill used to carry out medication abortions, Las Vegas-based GenBioPro Inc, has filed a federal lawsuit challenging the conservative state's restrictions on the pill, used in more than half of all U.S. abortions.

 

Litigation over medication abortion, approved for use at up to 10 weeks of pregnancy, is likely to take center stage should the Supreme Court gut or overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion nationwide.

 

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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/next-us-abortion-battle-is-over-pills-its-already-begun-2022-05-26/

 

[RocketDog]

So the battle for control of other people's bodies continues as it has for millenia.

It almost always has its roots in religion.

Sad.

I've never understood why any man's opinion has any bearing on abortion.

[KhunLA]

15 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

So the battle for control of other people's bodies continues as it has for millenia.

It almost always has its roots in religion.

Sad.

I've never understood why any man's opinion has any bearing on abortion.

My body, my choice ... seems to be selective application to some.

Where was 'my body, my choice' when it came to mandatory vaccination.

 

Where is 'my home, my choice, I'll defend it with a firearm' from those that have.

 

Freedoms don't seem to exist.  You can't even express an opinion or thought anymore in some places, or show a symbol (ex: swastika), as illegal.  

Edited May 27, 2022 by KhunLA

[Excel]

13 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

So the battle for control of other people's bodies continues as it has for millenia.

It almost always has its roots in religion.

Sad.

I've never understood why any man's opinion has any bearing on abortion.

Its simply money driven in the US. Pharma for the pills and increasing population to ensure it continues the donations to the religious bigots. And these same religious bigots don't want to end a pregnancy as they claim it is killing life but they have no qualms owning guns and murdering people. That nation is sick as a society.

[SatEng]

My view on abortion is that if it has to happen it should be as early and as safe as possible

 - Starting with education and the availability and provision of contraception - the main opponents to this are the catholic church and whacko congressmen who think that IUDs are a form of abortion., they are both wrong.

 - pregnancy testing kits should be made cheaper, easier and more accurate - we can do it for covid so we should be able to do it for pregnancy - even providing free test kits so that girls can check as early as possible

 - The availability of "morning-after" pills which can be used after sex - these have to be made available to vulnerable girls in a confidential environment without intervention such as informing parents

 - medical home termination such as mifepristone/misoprostol up to about 10-12 weeks

 - medical termination under qualified and licensed medical supervision up to 16-20 weeks

 

This safeguards the womans "right to choose" but there is also a responsibility to check early and take action.

 

After around 20 weeks the situation get more tricky as the viability of the foetus is now in question - termination in such cases should be limited to cases of rape/incest/deformation or mothers health in danger or where the woman has not been allowed to access medical services and should be signed off by two independent doctors

Help and support should be given to the mother in such cases to ensure a healthy outcome for both mother and child

 

In all cases it should be a medical and not a "political" decision

[TKDfella]

Always a very hotly debated subject. I am not religious but I am pro-life with conditions. That is, a woman should be able to choose in case of rape or a medical diagnosis that something is wrong. However, if after consensual intercourse...that is knowledge of the possible consequences...then I would support a denial. If the child was still unwanted at birth there is the option of adoption. I do not agree with religion imposing a ban on precautions so IMHO this is where the choice is...take precaution or accept a possible pregnancy.

[Bluespunk]

“The feminist position on abortion is a woman's right to *choose*, and feminists would defend to the hilt the right of any woman *not*to have an abortion irrespective of the grounds she gave for making this choice. The anti-abortion position is in fact an anti-choice position, imposing, or attempting to impose, particular beliefs on all women.”

 

Michèle Barrett, The Anti-Social Family

[placnx]

10 hours ago, RocketDog said:

So the battle for control of other people's bodies continues as it has for millenia.

It almost always has its roots in religion.

Sad.

I've never understood why any man's opinion has any bearing on abortion.

Before Trump the US had rule OF law. Now it may be rule BY Law of the Bible!

[FritsSikkink]

12 hours ago, KhunLA said:

My body, my choice ... seems to be selective application to some.

Where was 'my body, my choice' when it came to mandatory vaccination.

 

Where is 'my home, my choice, I'll defend it with a firearm' from those that have.

 

Freedoms don't seem to exist.  You can't even express an opinion or thought anymore in some places, or show a symbol (ex: swastika), as illegal.  

The sad part is that the religious people who are against abortion (kill a human being) have no problem buying guns and using them while one of their 10 commandments says, thou shall not kill.

[cncltd1973]

women are the gatekeepers to society. if she doesn't want her baby to be born, chances are it's better for the society that the baby isn't born. the earth is peopled already with mindless spacefillers, abortion should be available for anyone that wants it, unless you want an overpopulation of spawning idiots

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15 hours ago, KhunLA said:

My body, my choice ... seems to be selective application to some.

Where was 'my body, my choice' when it came to mandatory vaccination.

 

Where is 'my home, my choice, I'll defend it with a firearm' from those that have.

 

Freedoms don't seem to exist.  You can't even express an opinion or thought anymore in some places, or show a symbol (ex: swastika), as illegal.  

Do you understand that pregnancy is not contagious?  That whether or not a woman has an abortion is not going to have an potential effect on the community at large? Which is not the case with not getting vaccinated.

[TKDfella]

12 hours ago, cncltd1973 said:

women are the gatekeepers to society. if she doesn't want her baby to be born, chances are it's better for the society that the baby isn't born. the earth is peopled already with mindless spacefillers, abortion should be available for anyone that wants it, unless you want an overpopulation of spawning idiots

Is pregnancy prevention not a better choice?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, TKDfella said:

Is pregnancy prevention not a better choice?

Lots of abortions are undoubtedly save by pregnancy prevention. That isn't the issue or the solution.

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, TKDfella said:

Is pregnancy prevention not a better choice?

Well, the same people who oppose abortion have managed to defund Planned Parenthood in several states because of its support of abortion. Planned Parenthood is the leading provider of contraceptive services in the USA. It's especially focused on providing services to women on low income.

[BritManToo]

On 5/27/2022 at 7:32 AM, RocketDog said:

I've never understood why any man's opinion has any bearing on abortion.

Probably because we're expected to pay for the children.

[BritManToo]

On 5/27/2022 at 7:47 AM, KhunLA said:

My body, my choice ... seems to be selective application to some.

Where was 'my body, my choice' when it came to mandatory vaccination.

Agree!

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Probably because we're expected to pay for the children.

wouldn't that be an argument that men might favour abortion rights?

 

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Agree!

as explained previously, pregnancy isn't contagious and can't kill people who are not pregnant.

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

wouldn't that be an argument that men might favour abortion rights?

Personally, I like having kids and would never enter into a relationship with a woman who was known to have previously killed her own children. IMHO people who don't want children should refrain from having sex.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Personally, I like having kids and would never enter into a relationship with a woman who was known to have previously killed her own children. IMHO people who don't want children should refrain from having sex.

well tat would be 99% of the profiles on TF for a start. Should sex lead to procreation or be reserved for those who wish to procreate. There are plenty of bible bashers who think so.

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Personally, I like having kids and would never enter into a relationship with a woman who was known to have previously killed her own children. IMHO people who don't want children should refrain from having sex.

Now if only there were a way to have sex and not have children. What about some devices? Or maybe a pill? Who knows? Maybe one day such things will actually exist? But until then, your sentiments make perfect sense.

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Now if only there were a way to have sex and not have children. What about some devices? Or maybe a pill? Who knows? Maybe one day such things will actually exist? But until then, your sentiments make perfect sense.

Or you could take advice from Northampton NHS ..........

 

[Scott]

On 5/26/2022 at 5:47 PM, KhunLA said:

My body, my choice ... seems to be selective application to some.

Where was 'my body, my choice' when it came to mandatory vaccination.

 

There were no mandatory vaccinations.  Nobody was forced to get vaccinated.  

[KhunLA]

11 minutes ago, Scott said:

There were no mandatory vaccinations.  Nobody was forced to get vaccinated.  

Many businesses, USA & TH made vaccination mandatory, to be employed there.  Along with healthcare & military.  Gov't instituted mandates, in the USA (military for one), as the appeals make their way through the court system, and the mandates are voided, but didn't help those that lost their jobs, or now discharged from the military for refusing vaccinations.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/02/us-army-covid-vaccine-discharge-soldiers

My daughter needed to be vaccinated here/TH to work where she's working.

Certainly not just in USA:

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/vaccine/Pages/healthcare-workers-mandatory-vaccination.aspx#:~:text=Yes.,the Private Health Facilities Act).

Edited May 28, 2022 by KhunLA

[Scott]

9 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Many businesses, USA & TH made vaccination mandatory, to be employed there.  Along with healthcare & military.  Gov't instituted mandates, in the USA (military for one), as the appeals make their way through the court system, and the mandates are voided, but didn't help those that lost their jobs, or now discharged from the military for refusing vaccinations.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/02/us-army-covid-vaccine-discharge-soldiers

My daughter needed to be vaccinated here/TH to work where she's working.

Certainly not just in USA:

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/vaccine/Pages/healthcare-workers-mandatory-vaccination.aspx#:~:text=Yes.,the Private Health Facilities Act).

Pretty much wrong.  Nobody was forced to take a vaccine.  You always had a choice.  No one had a needle stuck in their arm without permission.  Most employers had this as a part of their 'mandate':

 

 Employees may be required to be vaccinated against COVID-19 or be tested on a weekly basis and to have a negative test before coming to work.

 

Military personnel who did not want to get vaccinated were discharged.  

 

So no, you were not forced to get vaccinated.  The choice is yours, if you don't you won't go to jail, you won't be fined.  Any consequence you face is of your own choosing.   You are exempt for a whole host or reasons including vague 'religious' exemptions.  

 

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Scott said:

Pretty much wrong.  Nobody was forced to take a vaccine.  You always had a choice.  No one had a needle stuck in their arm without permission.  Most employers had this as a part of their 'mandate':

 

 Employees may be required to be vaccinated against COVID-19 or be tested on a weekly basis and to have a negative test before coming to work.

 

Military personnel who did not want to get vaccinated were discharged.  

 

So no, you were not forced to get vaccinated.  The choice is yours, if you don't you won't go to jail, you won't be fined.  Any consequence you face is of your own choosing.   You are exempt for a whole host or reasons including vague 'religious' exemptions.  

 

Not much of a choice, vax or lose your livelihood.  Or ability to attend school for some.  

[Scott]

Just now, KhunLA said:

Not much of a choice, vax or lose your livelihood.  Or ability to attend school for some.  

But you still have a choice and it's your choice. 

[Atlantis]

1 hour ago, Scott said:

There were no mandatory vaccinations.  Nobody was forced to get vaccinated.  

 

1 hour ago, Scott said:

Pretty much wrong.  Nobody was forced to take a vaccine.  You always had a choice.  No one had a needle stuck in their arm without permission.  Most employers had this as a part of their 'mandate':

 

1 hour ago, Scott said:

So no, you were not forced to get vaccinated.  The choice is yours, if you don't you won't go to jail, you won't be fined.  Any consequence you face is of your own choosing.   You are exempt for a whole host or reasons including vague 'religious' exemptions.  

So, in a world where woman are pressured to carry to term via mandates, the correct hypothetical analogy would be

- "There are no mandatory vaccinations"
- "No pregnant woman is forced to carry to term."
- "They are have a choice"
- "No one made you birth to your child without permission."
- "Most employers had this as part of their 'mandate'"
- "The choice is hers, if you don't, you won't go to jail, you won't be fined"
- "Any consequences of terminating the pregnancy is of her own choosing."
- "The pregnant woman is exempt for a whole host of reasons, including various exemptions."

That still isn't a good look is it?

[Atlantis]

12 hours ago, placeholder said:

Do you understand that pregnancy is not contagious?  That whether or not a woman has an abortion is not going to have an potential effect on the community at large? Which is not the case with not getting vaccinated.

I think everyone understands pregnancy is not contagious.

However, when it comes to second and even third trimester abortions, the human being you are killing is, in my humble opinion, at least as important that the 'community' at large.

Besides, your response is to a post debunking the flimsy 'my body my choice' slogan, when it is the body of another human being decimated that is at the heart of the opposition to abortion. But you knew that already.

[Atlantis]

"Dear employer, I am not going to carry to term"

If you do that I am afraid we will no longer employ you.

"But, I will lose my livelihood..."

But you still have a choice and it's your choice.

[Atlantis]

On 5/27/2022 at 7:32 AM, RocketDog said:

So the battle for control of other people's bodies continues as it has for millenia.

It almost always has its roots in religion.

Sad.

I've never understood why any man's opinion has any bearing on abortion.

Why the dishonest sound-bite. You should well know that the obvious riposte from the religious right would be: what about the body of the unborn child.

"I've never understood why any man's opinion has any bearing on abortion"
Perhaps try widening your exposure to other points of view...or even sit and reflect for a while, and do the Socrates thing, and maybe ask...should I, as a man, have an opinion on vaginal rape, or is that a silly question that focuses on the sex of the questioner, rather than the morality of the act.

It's quite easy really. You could do it like this: should I, as a non-black person, have an opinion on the morality of chattel slavery etc etc etc.