StreetCowboy Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Thats not proof. Thats just estimates and models. An argument is not just saying “no it isn’t” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Ok then what exact % of cc is man? Show me 100 scientists who agree on the % I'm not here to do that research for you. You are the one interested in that specific topic, not me. What I know is that most climate scientists agree on the fact that pumping CO2 in the atmosphere is slowly but surely killing us and that what matters. Edited May 31, 2022 by Baron Samedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Just now, Baron Samedi said: I'm not here to do that research for you. You are the one interested in that specific topic, not me. What I know is that most climate scientists agree on the fact that pumping CO2 in the atmosphere is slowly but surely killing us. That's not true. Deaths from extreme weather events are down 99% over the past century. https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-activists-disasters-fire-storms-deaths-change-cop26-glasgow-global-warming-11635973538 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said: An argument is not just saying “no it isn’t” Show me a peer reviewed paper proving the difference between natural cycles and man. There arent any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab9af7 Peer reviewed paper on model errors As far as I know, nobody is saying that current models are perfect. Doesn't mean that global warming is trivial or fake. What's your point exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Show me a peer reviewed paper proving the difference between natural cycles and man. There arent any. The fact that I am too lazy to prove you wrong does not prove you right, it proves that I am lazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Just now, Baron Samedi said: As far as I know, nobody is saying that current models are perfect. Doesn't mean that global warming is trivial or fake. What's your point exactly? Paper shows models were wrong on the high side. ie models are based on assumptions that were wrong. The other article shows climate deaths falling by 99%. That is the point. The scare doesnt much the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said: The fact that I am too lazy to prove you wrong does not prove you right, it proves that I am lazy. I will save you the trouble. They dont exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: That's not true. Deaths from extreme weather events are down 99% over the past century. https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-activists-disasters-fire-storms-deaths-change-cop26-glasgow-global-warming-11635973538 Yeah. Do you know why? Because we are better at managing those events. But what happens the day we can't manage them anymore because they become too costly or to frequent or occur on scales that are too large? What happens when you need to move not a couple of thousands but hundred of thousands of people to prevent a disaster? Tell me. Who is going to organize and pay? And of course poor people will suffer the most because they can't buy the required infrastructure. Edited May 31, 2022 by Baron Samedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: That's not true. Deaths from extreme weather events are down 99% over the past century. https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-activists-disasters-fire-storms-deaths-change-cop26-glasgow-global-warming-11635973538 This is an opinion piece by a political scientist climate change denier, hardly an expert in the field, who doesn't have a very good record of presenting accurate info in his columns, as noted by PolitiFact in reviewing another of his columns during the same period: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/sep/09/bjorn-lomborg/hurricanes-and-climate-change-getting-real-numbers/ "Lomborg is a Danish political scientist and president of Copenhagen Consensus Center, a Danish think tank. He has long questioned conventional wisdom on climate change." ... "Lomborg focused on a limited number of hurricanes and pushed the data beyond what the research supports. We rate this claim Half True." Edited May 31, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Baron Samedi said: Yeah. Do you know why? Because we are better at managing those events. But what happens the day we can't manage them anymore because they become too costly or to frequent or occur on scales that are too large? What happens when you need to move not a couple of thousands but hundred of thousands of people to prevent a disaster? Tell me. Who is going to organize and pay? A 99% fall in deaths is massive. Clearly planes, trucks and computers help. 52m people die each year. Worrying about things you cannot control isnt going to solve anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: This is an opinion piece by a political scientist climate change denier, hardly an expert in the field, who doesn't have a very good record of presenting accurate info in his columns, as noted by PolitiFact in reviewing another of his columns during the same period: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/sep/09/bjorn-lomborg/hurricanes-and-climate-change-getting-real-numbers/ "Lomborg is a Danish political scientist and president of Copenhagen Consensus Center, a Danish think tank. He has long questioned conventional wisdom on climate change." ... "Lomborg focused on a limited number of hurricanes and pushed the data beyond what the research supports. We rate this claim Half True." https://www.valuewalk.com/2019/02/top-10-deadliest-floods-world-history/ https://www.alltopeverything.com/deadliest-wildfires/ Edited May 31, 2022 by Sparktrader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Sparktrader said: A 99% fall in deaths is massive. Clearly planes, trucks and computers help. 52m people die each year. Worrying about things you cannot control isnt going to solve anything. I'm gonna tell you what isn't gonna solve anything: the attitude of people like you ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Baron Samedi said: I'm gonna tell you what isn't gonna solve anything: the attitude of people like you ???? Do you drive cars or fly on planes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 https://www.carbonbrief.org/china-briefing-17-march-2022-beijing-doubling-down-on-fossil-fuels-chinas-co2-emissions-increase-coal-production-growth/ China not worried about co2 going up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1FinickyOne Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 In the north we had a very long cold season, a short and rainy hot hot season, and a very rainy light rainy season... not typical in any way to any other year of more than 20 than I am here, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 Just now, Sparktrader said: Do you drive cars or fly on planes? As a matter of fact I don't drive a car but I do travel by plane occasionally. If you're implying that I'm promoting the end of modern civilization because I'm stating scientific facts, you're losing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: https://www.carbonbrief.org/china-briefing-17-march-2022-beijing-doubling-down-on-fossil-fuels-chinas-co2-emissions-increase-coal-production-growth/ China not worried about co2 going up. Your point? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Just now, Baron Samedi said: As a matter of fact I don't drive a car but I do travel by plane occasionally. If you're implying that I'm promoting the end of modern civilization because I'm stating scientific facts, you're losing it. Which facts did you state? I posted links on climate disasters. Deaths down 99%. Thai flood in 2011 was very bad but Thailand has very poor flood mitigation strategies and despite 10m in Bangkok deaths were under 400. China flood 1931 had 1m+ deaths 1m vs 400. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Baron Samedi said: Your point? Talk to the Chinese about co2. Dont blame me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 hour ago, ozimoron said: That's garbage. Science and statistics can extrapolate from data to measure stuff like atmospheric CO2, temperatures, sea levels and ocean acidity with a high degree of accuracy https://www.science.org/content/article/new-climate-models-predict-warming-surge https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-change-impacts/predictions-future-global-climate This was not a thread about the same garbage we always end up discussing and repeat to death if clima change is a hoax or not. Ai, for those who want to repeat themselves to death, be my guest! Have fun not die! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottfrid Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Had much hotter sex with me wife this year. Otherwise, it same same..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Climate change is real. Man impact on environment real. Matter of degrees and common sense ( thats what is lacking and turns people off). Flooding in Thailand is seasonal and mitigation is poor. Thailand in 2022 or 1980 you could get flooded out in wet season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Sparktrader said: Deforestation an issue. Other countries planting trees. The earth is literally getting greener. Today, there is five percent more foliage than twenty years ago, and it is primarily ambitious tree planting projects and intensive agriculture, mainly in China and India, that are behind the increase. This is according to satellite data from NASA Earth Observatory.5 Mar 2021 https://www.warpnews.org/human-progress/nasa-the-earth-is-greener-now-than-it-was-20-years-ago/ It is a huge difference between an old natural forrest, and especially rain forrestes, and new modern agriculture, or land that grows back by weed. An natural culture landscape have important functions for ground water, cooling effects and more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Thailand is the sixth-largest contributor of plastic waste in the ocean. Every year, an estimated 87 per cent of recyclable plastic in Thailand is improperly recycled or disposed of, leading to an estimated 322,000 tonnes of plastic in the ocean. https://www.incubationnetwork.com/in-plain-sight-the-hidden-value-of-thailands-plastic-waste/#:~:text=Plastic waste is currently economic,of plastic in the ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hummin said: It is a huge difference between an old natural forrest, and especially rain forrestes, and new modern agriculture, or land that grows back by weed. An natural culture landscape have important functions for ground water, cooling effects and more. 8bn people you cant feed them without crops. Co2 grows crops. Ironic thing. Over population is a real issue. Also plastic as noted. Less money in plastic clean ups than co2 taxes. Follow the money to see which issues are on tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Lanta beaches low season. Covered in glass and plastic. Go have a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 46 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: China not worried about co2 going up. China also engages in all kinds of, let's be modest to say, unsavory conduct in a variety of fields... Not sure you really want to be using them as your yardstick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 27 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Talk to the Chinese about co2. Dont blame me. I don't blame you for your CO2 emissions. I don't even blame you for being a sophist. What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 36 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Which facts did you state? I posted links on climate disasters. And I posted the link to the entire IPCC report and here I can add the link to the CIA forecast report for 2040. Enjoy. https://www.dni.gov/index.php/gt2040-home/gt2040-structural-forces/environment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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