Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: It is rather difficult for Boris . The E.U wanting one thing and Irish wanting something else He cannot agree to both things because they are contradictory . It’s not difficult at all, his government negotiated the terms of a treaty then he signed the treaty. He then made a big fuss about having got Brexit done. Now he wants to unilaterally break the treaty his own government negotiated and he himself signed. What an utterly shameless shambles. Edited June 9, 2022 by Chomper Higgot 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: It’s not difficult at all, his government negotiated the terms of a treaty then he signed the treaty. He then made a big fuss about having got Brexit done. Now he wants to unilaterally break the treaty his own government negotiated and he himself signed. What an utterly shameless shambles. That is because there's been a Political change in Northern Ireland and they seem to now want a rule change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Its quite clearly written , it does make sense . If you need me to explain, you will have to wait for a few hours as I need to go out now Off you go then. Your two comments will still be plainly contradictory nonsense when you return. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: That is because there's been a Political change in Northern Ireland and they seem to now want a rule change The only side wanting a change is the unionists, and they lost the election. Brexit is done, the ink is dry. Pull together now old chap, make it work…. and all that. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Off you go then. Your two comments will still be plainly contradictory nonsense when you return. Briefly : The election was to nominate the leader of Northern Ireland . The election wasn't about unification . Any unification referendum would need more than 50 % of the vote. Sinn Fein won 29 % of the vote . If this would have been a vote on Unification, Sinn Fein would probably have lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Briefly : The election was to nominate the leader of Northern Ireland . The election wasn't about unification . Any unification referendum would need more than 50 % of the vote. Sinn Fein won 29 % of the vote . If this would have been a vote on Unification, Sinn Fein would probably have lost No, the election was for the devolved legislature. The people were given the opportunity to elect representatives of their choice. The unionists by preventing the assembly from meeting and passing legislation in Stormont are not respecting the vote. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TropicalGuy Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Yes, thats right . The E.U is causing problems between the U.K., Northern Ireland and Ireland . Finally….. and EU thereby breaching the treaty conditions of uk sovereignty & good faith cleverly inserted by UK. complete justification to revoke NI Protocol IF EU ignore UK final warning to cease & desist from the excessive spiteful customs checks between Britain & NI. ???????? 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: It’s not difficult at all, his government negotiated the terms of a treaty then he signed the treaty. He then made a big fuss about having got Brexit done. Now he wants to unilaterally break the treaty his own government negotiated and he himself signed. What an utterly shameless shambles. No. Naive. EU spiteful excessive disruptive customs checks, WITHIN UK, are in flagrant breach of agreement conditions of protecting UK sovereignty & acting in good faith ( cleverly inserted by UK for JUST this hostile event). ???? Final Warning for EU to cease & desist or NI Protocol legally goes. ???? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TropicalGuy Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 32 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: No it cannot. Please do some research before coming up with such patently incorrect information. https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/what-does-the-lack-of-a-speaker-mean-for-the-stormont-assembly-41646652.html Time now to revoke the UK Devolved Parliaments. All these little regional tinpot bureaucrats have proven completely useless in governing even their tiny regions WITH central UK Budget support. Just look at the massive decline of services in Scotland after 15 years of SNP governing ! ????Now this business with Stormont. Enough. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 Why would anyone in NI want to change the NI Protocol, the economy of NI is out performing that of the rest of the UK: https://www.ft.com/content/3b5059c4-4ef1-44d1-ae1f-43a875efb7ca Perhaps Rees Mogg could gather a few ‘Brexit Opportunity’ hints from the province, or would doing so upset his chums in the ERG. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: Time now to revoke the UK Devolved Parliaments. All these little regional tinpot bureaucrats have proven completely useless in governing even their tiny regions WITH central UK Budget support. Just look at the massive decline of services in Scotland after 15 years of SNP governing ! ????Now this business with Stormont. Enough. You need to research The Good Friday Agreement and the importance a power sharing devolved government plays in it. https://education.niassembly.gov.uk/post_16/snapshots_of_devolution/gfa/power_sharing Edited June 9, 2022 by Bluespunk Removed word also 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: No. Naive. EU spiteful excessive disruptive customs checks, WITHIN UK, are in flagrant breach of agreement conditions of protecting UK sovereignty & acting in good faith ( cleverly inserted by UK for JUST this hostile event). ???? Final Warning for EU to cease & desist or NI Protocol legally goes. ???? What? EU customs officers are checking goods in the UK? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: Time now to revoke the UK Devolved Parliaments. All these little regional tinpot bureaucrats have proven completely useless in governing even their tiny regions WITH central UK Budget support. Just look at the massive decline of services in Scotland after 15 years of SNP governing ! ????Now this business with Stormont. Enough. Calm down. WRT NI and the ‘NI devolved parliament’ the UK will do as Washington tells it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Bluespunk said: You also need to research The Good Friday Agreement and the importance a power sharing devolved government plays in it. https://education.niassembly.gov.uk/post_16/snapshots_of_devolution/gfa/power_sharing Relegate that to local councils and NI institutions . Whose running UK anyway ? London or Dublin / Washington ? If the later they can bloody pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 55 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: I thought Brexit was done? It is. You're watching a repeat on 'Dave'. Spoiler alert: It didn't turn out so great for us Brits. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Calm down. WRT NI and the ‘NI devolved parliament’ the UK will do as Washington tells it. Then they & Dublin can pay for operating NI their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, RayC said: It is. You're watching a repeat on 'Dave'. Spoiler alert: It didn't turn out so great for us Brits. You mean economically ? Too early to tell. Sovereignty- wise it’s been terrific from day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: Relegate that to local councils and NI institutions . Whose running UK anyway ? London or Dublin / Washington ? If the later they can bloody pay for it. Nope. The Northern Ireland Assembly is intrinsically intertwined with The Good Friday Agreement. An agreement that effectively ended The Troubles in the Ulster counties. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 57 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: It is rather difficult for Boris . The E.U wanting one thing and Irish wanting something else He cannot agree to both things because they are contradictory . I assume by Irish you mean the DUP? If so, I agree. Which begs the question: If Johnson knew this, why did he sign the Agreement? You can't have a border and no border simultaneously in January 2020, now or at any time in the future, unless some Einstein-like mathematical genius comes along and destroys the rules of deductive logic. Maybe that's the plan? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, RayC said: I assume by Irish you mean the DUP? If so, I agree. Which begs the question: If Johnson knew this, why did he sign the Agreement? You can't have a border and no border simultaneously in January 2020, now or at any time in the future, unless some Einstein-like mathematical genius comes along and destroys the rules of deductive logic. Maybe that's the plan? Perhaps not Einstein. Schrödinger's border. Sorted! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 44 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: No. Naive. EU spiteful excessive disruptive customs checks, WITHIN UK, are in flagrant breach of agreement conditions of protecting UK sovereignty & acting in good faith ( cleverly inserted by UK for JUST this hostile event). ???? Final Warning for EU to cease & desist or NI Protocol legally goes. ???? Which excessive checks? The EU is applying the agreement signed. The EU is applying the same checks it also applies to other third countries. Not doing so would be a breach of WTO rules. Actually, the only reason UK. makes less checks than the EU, is that the current clowns governing UK have been unable to implement a proper border check system. https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-outsource-border-check-eu-brexit/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: That is because there's been a Political change in Northern Ireland and they seem to now want a rule change That has nothing to do with it. Some simple "'Yes'/'No' answer" questions: Were the objections of the DUP to a border down the Irish Sea known before the Brexit Agreement was signed? Could the reactions of the DUP to the UK disregarding the DUP's objections be foreseen? Did the UK government enact any legislation to deal with the DUP's objectives immediately before or shortly after the signing of the Brexit Agreement? Therefore logically, Can the EU be blamed for the chaotic situation we now find ourselves in? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, RayC said: I assume by Irish you mean the DUP? If so, I agree. Which begs the question: If Johnson knew this, why did he sign the Agreement? You can't have a border and no border simultaneously in January 2020, now or at any time in the future, unless some Einstein-like mathematical genius comes along and destroys the rules of deductive logic. Maybe that's the plan? The border was moved out to the sea , so there was a border(at sea) and there wasn't a border(on land) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 minute ago, RayC said: That has nothing to do with it. Some simple "'Yes'/'No' answer" questions: Were the objections of the DUP to a border down the Irish Sea known before the Brexit Agreement was signed? Could the reactions of the DUP to the UK disregarding the DUP's objections be foreseen? Did the UK government enact any legislation to deal with the DUP's objectives immediately before or shortly after the signing of the Brexit Agreement? Therefore logically, Can the EU be blamed for the chaotic situation we now find ourselves in? The Irish have been discussing and squabbling and disagreeing for the last 300 years , just let them get on with it and don't get involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: The border was moved out to the sea , so there was a border(at sea) and there wasn't a border(on land) No matter what way you dress it up, it's a border and its' existence was unacceptable to the DUP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: The Irish have been discussing and squabbling and disagreeing for the last 300 years , just let them get on with it and don't get involved Err ... NI is part of the UK. Shouldn't Westminster be taking an interest in its' affairs and trying to solve any problems. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 As an aside, what's the Brexiters reaction to the news that their hero is the one who apparently wants to take a softer line with the EU? Is it now 'Off to the Tower' with him and 'All Hail, Queen Lizzie (Truss)'? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 45 minutes ago, RayC said: As an aside, what's the Brexiters reaction to the news that their hero is the one who apparently wants to take a softer line with the EU? Is it now 'Off to the Tower' with him and 'All Hail, Queen Lizzie (Truss)'? He got Brexit done . Thats all we wanted No ones really bothered about the Irish border or even Irish unification 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, RayC said: No matter what way you dress it up, it's a border and its' existence was unacceptable to the DUP. The DUP want a hard border between North and South Ireland, this is in direct conflict with the Good Friday Agreement. Neither the EU not Washington will accept dismantling of the Good Friday agreement. Johnson is playing with fire. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted June 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: He got Brexit done . Thats all we wanted No ones really bothered about the Irish border or even Irish unification If he got ‘Brexit Done’ why does he now want to undo that which he signed up to? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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