Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted July 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mavideol said: end of the year general elections, January 2023 no Tory PM 555 I doubt the winner of the leadership contest will call an early election, the party is split down the middle and the candidates are each either side of that split. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: I doubt the winner of the leadership contest will call an early election, the party is split down the middle and the candidates are each either side of that split. Yep, bit like the Labour Party at the mo, Unions, oh well......???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted July 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, transam said: Those who try to irritate by purposely misspelling MP's names are the deflection-ists, and is childish....???? Get on topic. #gotruss Edited July 31, 2022 by Bluespunk 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: I doubt the winner of the leadership contest will call an early election, the party is split down the middle and the candidates are each either side of that split. Is there a "Back stabbing knife fight" occurring ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Is there a "Back stabbing knife fight" occurring ? Nice try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted July 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, transam said: Yep, bit like the Labour Party at the mo, Unions, oh well......???? There is surely a thread on this, no? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Just now, Chomper Higgot said: There is surely a thread on this, no? Dunno, if not, you could start one......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post baboon Posted July 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2022 And so another thread is ruined for anyone actually wanting a sensible discussion. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted July 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 hours ago, transam said: At least she hasn't got two left feet to worry about, or members of the front bench going on picket lines that do absolutely sod all except p_ss folk off.... What was that you were saying in another thread about straying 'off topic'? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 minute ago, RayC said: What was that you were saying in another thread about straying 'off topic'? Don't do it then, anyhooo, off out now, see ya..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post baboon Posted July 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, baboon said: And so another thread is ruined for anyone actually wanting a sensible discussion. Even down to the laughter emoji to show how proud he is of his handywork. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted July 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 hours ago, transam said: It's Truss.....Please be respectful and quote her actual Name with English grammar. Thank you... 4 hours ago, transam said: It's Truss.....Please be respectful and quote her actual Name with English grammar. Thank you... 1 hour ago, transam said: I spelled Starmer with a capital "S", because I am not an angry socialist trying to be childish, Most of your posts confirm that being "an angry socialist" is not a prerequisite for being childish. 1 hour ago, transam said: plus I was taught at school how and when to use a capital letter ...???? The first post quoted above would suggest otherwise! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorquayFan Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Sunak after being a notably prolific spender as the Chancellor professed at the start of his campaign, to be a careful PM who would be sure to delay tax cuts until the UK had started balancing it's books . . . Thereby he sealed his fate ! He may have been quite right but a hard pressed electorate want tax cuts NOW ! Bye bye Rishi ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 So in the UK 'democracy' the public has no say in who becomes the PM. Nice! Any country where the public doesn't choose its leaders is not a 'democracy.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, TorquayFan said: Sunak after being a notably prolific spender as the Chancellor professed at the start of his campaign, to be a careful PM who would be sure to delay tax cuts until the UK had started balancing it's books . . . Thereby he sealed his fate ! He may have been quite right but a hard pressed electorate want tax cuts NOW ! Bye bye Rishi ? Its the members of the Conservative party who will be casting the vote though , nothing to do with the electorate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post baboon Posted July 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, TorquayFan said: Sunak after being a notably prolific spender as the Chancellor professed at the start of his campaign, to be a careful PM who would be sure to delay tax cuts until the UK had started balancing it's books . . . Thereby he sealed his fate ! He may have been quite right but a hard pressed electorate want tax cuts NOW ! Bye bye Rishi ? Any tax cuts the electorate think they might want will not even touch the sides as the cost of living crisis worsens. Nor will they be amused when services are gutted to pay for them. Plus we have sold pretty much everything off, so getting any kind of cash infusion via privatisation will be difficult... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorquayFan Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Mick - yes the electorate of Tory Party Members obviously. And they are also part of the other electorate you refer to ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 For me it sounds crazy that not even 200000 old people will decide who's next PM. What stupid kind of democracy is that?????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted July 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, TorquayFan said: Sunak after being a notably prolific spender as the Chancellor professed at the start of his campaign, to be a careful PM who would be sure to delay tax cuts until the UK had started balancing it's books . . . Thereby he sealed his fate ! He may have been quite right but a hard pressed electorate want tax cuts NOW ! Bye bye Rishi ? Trusses' campaign is based purely on the worse type of populism. Talk tough about dealing with the EU to get the ERG supporters on-board. This, in itself, is probably irrelevant. Reality will bite when/if negotiations with the EU recommence, and she will have no choice but to soften her stance. More worrying is her desire for immediate tax cuts. Again, in itself, not necessarily bad but, if coupled with a likely rise in interest rates - her economic guru, Patrick Minford has suggested 7% as a normal level - this is potentially disastrous. A rise to such a level would lead to an increase of £600/month in average mortgage repayments. In a period of real wage depreciation, the number of defaults is likely to rise, which could lead to another banking crisis. The difference with 2008 is this one would be home made. While I agree that Truss will probably be a gift horse for the opposition parties, Sunak will be least worse option for the country. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said: For me it sounds crazy that not even 200000 old people will decide who's next PM. What stupid kind of democracy is that?????? A parliamentary democracy, not a presidential one. The public select their MP, not the Prime Minister. But yes, there is a lot of discussion about it out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, RayC said: 35 minutes ago, TorquayFan said: Sunak after being a notably prolific spender as the Chancellor professed at the start of his campaign, to be a careful PM who would be sure to delay tax cuts until the UK had started balancing it's books . . . Thereby he sealed his fate ! He may have been quite right but a hard pressed electorate want tax cuts NOW ! Bye bye Rishi ? Expand Trusses' campaign is based purely on the worse type of populism. Talk tough about dealing with the EU to get the ERG supporters on-board. This, in itself, is probably irrelevant. Reality will bite when/if negotiations with the EU recommence, and she will have no choice but to soften her stance. I don't think she will. I don't think she can. Maintaining bad relations with the EU is one of the pillars keeping the edifice standing. The ERG simply wouldn't accept it and the rest of the party seem terrified of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, baboon said: A parliamentary democracy, not a presidential one. The public select their MP, not the Prime Minister. But yes, there is a lot of discussion about it out there. But this doesn't work in the current situation. 200000 can hardly represent 80 millions. And those 200000 are much older than the average citizen. Why not new election?? The Tories are too much afraid to lose? Obviously! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said: For me it sounds crazy that not even 200000 old people will decide who's next PM. What stupid kind of democracy is that?????? It’s the one we have always had. We don’t vote directly for PM. We had a perfectly acceptable PM who was voted in by a landslide election win. Very undemocratically, he was ousted by the losing opposition, combined MSM, and a few opportunist back stabbers. How stupid is that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Loiner said: It’s the one we have always had. We don’t vote directly for PM. We had a perfectly acceptable PM who was voted in by a landslide election win. Very undemocratically, he was ousted by the losing opposition, combined MSM, and a few opportunist back stabbers. How stupid is that? He was ousted by his own party and was the worst Prime Minister we have ever had. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said: But this doesn't work in the current situation. 200000 can hardly represent 80 millions. And those 200000 are much older than the average citizen. Why not new election?? The Tories are too much afraid to lose? Obviously! Yes, probably so. However they will just point the finger at the Blair / Brown succession (not unreasonably). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seppius Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Boris was better than both these put together, the Tories are lucky that Labor is in a worse state than them, who even knows the leader of the Lib/Dems if that is even a thing now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, baboon said: And so another thread is ruined for anyone actually wanting a sensible discussion. Would that be the type of sensible discussion where you resort to allegations of libel and calling everybody liars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Just now, baboon said: Yes, probably so. However they will just point the finger at the Blair / Brown succession (not unreasonably). It's embarrassing to watch. First the clown and now cheating the whole country again instead of new elections? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 minute ago, sawadee1947 said: It's embarrassing to watch. First the clown and now cheating the whole country again instead of new elections? You'll get no argument from me... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 minute ago, sawadee1947 said: It's embarrassing to watch. First the clown and now cheating the whole country again instead of new elections? So, you would like it if the rules were not followed (cheating) and the current election result was ignore and there were new elections in the hope that the Political party that you support is elected ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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