Recreational use of pot to be recriminalised as Minister warns abuses are undermining his plan

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Doomed as in won't be popular at the ballot box.

 

You may not like it, but public reaction to the decriminalisation of cannabis has been overwhelmingly positive.

Nevevr said I did not like it.  I thought that they rolled it out with many rules and regulations in place that would have made it a smooth advent, but then TIT.  Far from anti cannabis, or edibles, or CBD oil.

[Gecko123]

36 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Smoking rooms and cafes springing up everywhere. Any government that attempts prohibition to stop this cash cow is doomed.

 

Anutin is scrambling for his political life. Collateral damage in the recreational cannabis industry is the least of his worries.

[Mr Meeseeks]

Just now, ThailandRyan said:

Nevevr said I did not like it.  I thought that they rolled it out with many rules and regulations in place that would have made it a smooth advent, but then TIT.  Far from anti cannabis, or edibles, or CBD oil.

What did you expect? As you allude wouldn't be Thailand without the ensuing confusion and backpeddling. 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Doomed as in won't be popular at the ballot box.

 

You may not like it, but public reaction to the decriminalisation of cannabis has been overwhelmingly positive.

For medical use yes the majority agreed with legislation however 83.5 per cent said recreational use is wrong

[ThailandRyan]

7 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

What did you expect? As you allude wouldn't be Thailand without the ensuing confusion and backpeddling. 

What I expected was a concerted effort to stick to what they rolled out while adding some amendments and allowing the recreational use for those over 20 but not out in the open public, like on Khao San Road.  However, it is Thailand.

[Gecko123]

15 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Doomed as in won't be popular at the ballot box.

 

You may not like it, but public reaction to the decriminalisation of cannabis has been overwhelmingly positive.

Did you even read the Thai Examiner article????

 

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2022/07/30/recreational-pot-cannabis-use-to-be-recriminalised/

 

Quote:

Bhumjaithai Party has not seen much political gain from marijuana or cannabis legalisation and may lose further as public opposition and fears grow

The extended decriminalisation of marijuana, which came into effect on June 9th, saw a small bump in support for the Bhumjaithai Party in National Institute of Development Administration (NIDA) opinion polls conducted in March 2022 to June 2022 which saw the party rise from under 2% support in three months to 2.65% in the latest poll.

It is all a far cry from the 10.33% that the party garnered in the 2019 General Election with 5 million votes and comes as the party is hoping to gain seats in the South, formerly a stronghold of the Democrat Party.

However, it is becoming increasingly clear that the move may be backfiring.

 

Quote:

72% of the Thai public express concern about the unrestricted use of cannabis for recreational purposes and other concerns as a new law is waited upon

In the last opinion poll in late June, 72% of Thai people expressed concerns about the harmful impact of cannabis use and developments since the drug was legalised despite majority support for the commercial development of the drug and its use for medicinal purposes.
 

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by Gecko123

[Iamfalang]

When laws are likely to change on a daily basis, you have to ask yourself, "Is staying here in the long-term really the best thing?"

 

Soon, the laws will change to make life harder for the falang........

 

this is just another red flag the falang community act like they don't see...

Edited August 1, 2022 by Iamfalang

[MrMuddle]

1 minute ago, Iamfalang said:

When laws are likely to change on a daily basis, you have to ask yourself, "Is staying here in the long-term really the best thing?"

 

Soon, the laws will change to make life harder for the falang........

 

this is just another red flag the falang community act like they don't see...

Yet another poster trying to sow the seeds of paranoia, love using the ignore list for these people.

[Gottfrid]

9 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

There is no they, not sure why people even start bashing the 'government'. This is just a silly opinion of a police boss and his wish only. -- Learn to read.

You failed to grasp the important part of my post, and just focused on they or one person. I said I hail the proposal, or the idea if you want, to outlaw it again, as the population here is not ready.

[Eleftheros]

The result, as with almost every new or altered piece of Thai legislation, is: Complete chaos.

 

Chaos is good, because every tin-pot official can interpret the incoherent laws differently, and thereby put money in their pockets.

[ericthai]

10 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

"Even observed two young girls buying a few joints, I estimated they were 16 years of age.  They then went to one of the bars sat down, ordered some sodas and sparked up"

 

There's one of the main worries with such easy access now to teens buying joints from unlicensed stalls that are dotted everywhere. Lets hope this mess somehow gets sorted out. 

and you really believe that teens couldn't get it before? 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, ericthai said:

and you really believe that teens couldn't get it before? 

No, read my post again and see if you can work out what the point was, then get back to me if you want

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, ericthai said:

and you really believe that teens couldn't get it before? 

Not as openly and available as it is now, but yes they could get ahold of it.  However, not in the manner they can now.  Walking up to one of the stands on Khao San Rd in the evening you can just obtain what you want, no ones checking ages and it is out in the open here in BKK.  Before you would not have found it like this.

[ericthai]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

No, read my post again and see if you can work out what the point was, then get back to me if you want

I got your point, I'm saying even if it's illegal teens can still get easily. 

[ThailandRyan]

Just now, ericthai said:

I got your point, I'm saying even if it's illegal teens can still get easily. 

Not easily, more subterfuge and back channels needed instead of like I said by walking up to a table and buying it without any checking.  

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ericthai said:

I got your point, I'm saying even if it's illegal teens can still get easily. 

then you didn't get my point at all, new unlicensed stalls dotted up everywhere gives far easier access,

[ericthai]

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

then you didn't get my point at all, new unlicensed stalls dotted up everywhere gives far easier access,

And you're missing my point. You could always easily get it in Kho San rd. when it was illegal.

You think they care about age when selling illegally?  Then you have access with facebook, tik tok etc. 

 

 

I agree there should be restrictions such as age, license to sell etc. but thinking that is going to stop teens your kidding yourself. 

[Bkk Brian]

22 minutes ago, ericthai said:

And you're missing my point. You could always easily get it in Kho San rd. when it was illegal.

Not as easy as you can get it now with all the new unlicensed stalls and shops.................get it?

22 minutes ago, ericthai said:

You think they care about age when selling illegally?  Then you have access with facebook, tik tok etc. 

No I don't why? However if they were licensed they would care a lot more about who they sell to, to avoid getting fined or the license revoked.. Yes another unlicensed avenue facebook and tik tok  since 9th June. Illegally selling to teens.

22 minutes ago, ericthai said:

I agree there should be restrictions such as age, license to sell etc. but thinking that is going to stop teens your kidding yourself. 

Good we agree on that then.

 

I never said it was going to stop teens? It will make it harder as it should. Thats what laws are all about.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[coolcarer]

36 minutes ago, ericthai said:

And you're missing my point. You could always easily get it in Kho San rd. when it was illegal.

You think they care about age when selling illegally?  Then you have access with facebook, tik tok etc. 

 

 

I agree there should be restrictions such as age, license to sell etc. but thinking that is going to stop teens your kidding yourself. 

Can’t see any point there to be honest. you agree there should be laws and regulations in place so there we have it. Why do you think they should be in place? deterrent possibly? That’s what laws are right, they help deter illegal activity. Stopping illegal sales by unlicensed shops, Facebook sellers and online retailers. Great we all agree.

[bannork]

Back in the early 70s, as latter day hippies, cannabis was de-rigueur in our student lives.

Games of chess could take days, endless moves seemed feasible and had to be 'thought' through 

Watching an insect on the wall was fascinating, its shape, movement, background was all a matter of interest.  

Sensory perceptions were intensified, heightened which was fine when with friends but could be scary or ludicrous when with strangers. 

I remember walking through the streets of Clifton, the rich area of Bristol, and being struck by the layers of make-up, dyed coiffured hair of the elderly ladies shopping. They looked like clowns. It was impossible not to burst out laughing 

A good drug in the right circumstances but I worry about its effects on Thai youth, especially the males.

Many are lazy, spoilt by their mothers, open distribution of cannabis will only exacerbate this,  spending their days in hammocks will become the norm.

Legalise cannabis for the over 65s only!

  

 

 

[shdmn]

13 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Ok, they are undecided as usual, going back and forth. Nothing new, though! However, I hail the proposal of recriminalization, as the Thai population is not ready for a thing like this. 

Not ready? Thais have been smoking dope for centuries. ????‍♂️

 

This is the same retarded argument that was used in the west by the moral crusaders.  Recreational use has been legal in Canada for 4 years now.  Guess how many of the dooms day predictions came true?  

 

Recreational use is actually down among teenagers now.  Partly because it's not considered to be cool or a way to rebel against your parents anymore.

Edited August 1, 2022 by shdmn

[coolcarer]

3 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Not ready? Thais have been smoking dope for centuries. ????‍♂️

Ok, what percentage of the Thai population has been smoking dope for centuries?

Edited August 1, 2022 by coolcarer

[shdmn]

2 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Ok, what percentage of the Thai population has been smoking dope for centuries?

You are the one making the argument, you tell us what facts you are basing that on.

Edited August 1, 2022 by shdmn

[coolcarer]

4 minutes ago, shdmn said:

You are the one making the argument, you tell us what facts you are basing that on.

You said Thais had been smoking dope for centuries? How about starting there and substantiating it with a link? Obviously need to take this one step at a time with you.

[TooMuchTime]

Good.

 

Hopefully some doped up farang don't realize the change and end up getting locked up 20+.

 

jUsT a pLaNt bRoOo

[shdmn]

10 minutes ago, TooMuchTime said:

Good.

 

Hopefully some doped up farang don't realize the change and end up getting locked up 20+.

 

jUsT a pLaNt bRoOo

????

Ok boomer.   

[jacko45k]

11 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Doomed as in won't be popular at the ballot box.

 

You may not like it, but public reaction to the decriminalisation of cannabis has been overwhelmingly positive.

How are you gauging that? I have not seen any poll of the Thai population.... and I would suspect one would really attract only those who support decriminalization and hence be a slanted poll. I suspect the young favour it, the older do not.... no impact on me, until I either need the stuff for a medical reason, or get hit by some stoned up fool driving. 

[Wongkitlo]

8 hours ago, coolcarer said:

You said Thais had been smoking dope for centuries? How about starting there and substantiating it with a link? Obviously need to take this one step at a time with you.

It is not a Thai reference but in Robinson Crusoe written in 1719 he describes how he was suffering from depression and he remembered he had sone tobbaco from the shipwreck. It was green and  fully cured and he smoked some of it and went through a revelation about his life on the island. My brother talks of in the early 70's being led off by 12 to 13 yo's to smoke bongs while waiting for the ferry to Koh Samui. They had not seen many farung before. Thai buddha sticks were the most common form in the West for a long time.

[DoctorB]

13 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

The Thai Examiner article points out that in countries where recreational and medical cannabis has been legalized, the THC content has climbed considerably over time as, once legalized, there are few regulations in place to limit the THC content. For example, the article says THC levels have climbed from 10 to 14% in 2010 to 25-40% in recent years.

 

The studies cited in the Thai Examiner article as the ones which the Thai government is relying upon to formulate policy are recent US and UK studies which warn about potential mental and other health problems from the more potent strains of cannabis available today. I think these studies deserve careful consideration and should not be dismissed out-of-hand simply as outdated "anti-pot" propaganda.

So, you just take fewer inhalations and monitor the effect as you smoke. After all you don't drink wine or whisky like you would beer. This strength business is just a monumental red herring.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

How are you gauging that? I have not seen any poll of the Thai population.... and I would suspect one would really attract only those who support decriminalization and hence be a slanted poll. I suspect the young favour it, the older do not.... no impact on me, until I either need the stuff for a medical reason, or get hit by some stoned up fool driving. 

The latest was on the 17th July and gives an overwhelming no to recreational use and yes to medical

 

Asked if they were interested in using cannabis for recreation, 96.6 per cent said no

83.5 per cent said recreational use is wrong

84.6 per cent agreed that measures are needed to deal with people who use cannabis improperly

Asked for their view on cannabis legalisation, 82.7 per cent agreed with legalisation for medical use as it would benefit people

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40017839