Cant decide if I should get another covid booster. What about you?

[scubascuba3]

27 minutes ago, watthong said:

Thank you, you have the patience of a saint. I've long stopped "reasoning" with rabid anti-vaxxers because often as a result I became a rabid vaxxer. As variants keep popping up and become another worrisome phenomenon in our lives, all the more people should get vaccinated and keep boosting to protect themselves. Not only against the virus itself, but also the non-vaccinated all around us who are determined to either bury their head in the sands or maintain at all cost their place in covid's on-going petri dish.

 

The rule of thumb is keep boosting every 6 months, different vaccine each time if possible, wearing masks and frequent washing of hands. In the meantime let's count our blessings that the malls have re-opened, public eateries are back in business and you can take your mask off while dining there.

Amen, if it wasn't for the vaxers we'd probably still be in lockdown

[TropicalGuy]

11 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

"Science" can be bought and subverted for political motive.

Conspiracy Theory. No Evidence. True Science is developed with multiple independent high standard validations.

 

Big Pharma need watching though for profit motive ( recent anti- depressant -don’t -work scandal).

 

Another reason I listened only to western medical professors on Covid. They can’t all be subverted ! ????

[richard_smith237]

16 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

 

Plenty of perfectly healthy people suffered from covid....    the healthy are at less risk than those in high risk groups, but they are not free of risk.

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

 No one has said that there are no adverse effects to be concerned about or aware of with the vaccines. 

 

What is being argued is that the ‘adverse effects’ are minimal compared to the number of people who have taken the vaccines. The adverse effects are less than those adverse effects of many suffering covid.

 

Many of the anti-vax arguments concentrate on a single facet, for example; cardio myocarditis...  which sounds horrific, its scary and yields an emotional response. However, when ‘bigger picture’ thinking, observation and analysis is taken into account the incidence of vaccine related 'cardio myocarditis’ is significantly less than that induced by Covid, or influenza... and the best one.. from drinking booze... 

 

I’ve asked this already... How many of those who are anti-covid vaccine because they are scared of something such as 'cardio myocarditis’ are still perfectly happy to go out and get drunk ???

 

Vaccines definitely come with some risk... they always have since the beginning of vaccines - VITT  for example... people only heard of that with the Covid-19 vaccines, yet it has always been risk associated with vaccines. 

 

It is only they hysteria of Anti-vaxxers which has become more prevalent. 

 

Some people don’t like being advised, told or forced what to do, they feel their rights have been imposed up. These same people would argue against crisps (potato chips) if they were ‘encouraged’ (advised, told or forced) to eat a packet by authorities / government. 

 

There is a risk of severe side effects from all vaccines - just look up any vaccine and their associated risks. There is a risk associated with putting any foreign body in our bodies.

 

All of this discussion seems to miss balance.

 

[Rimmer]

Some misleading and off topic troll posts have been removed

[rattlesnake]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

No one has said that there are no adverse effects to be concerned about or aware of with the vaccines. 

 

What is being argued is that the ‘adverse effects’ are minimal compared to the number of people who have taken the vaccines. The adverse effects are less than those adverse effects of many suffering covid.

 

Many of the anti-vax arguments concentrate on a single facet, for example; cardio myocarditis...  which sounds horrific, its scary and yields an emotional response. However, when ‘bigger picture’ thinking, observation and analysis is taken into account the incidence of vaccine related 'cardio myocarditis’ is significantly less than that induced by Covid, or influenza... and the best one.. from drinking booze... 

 

I’ve asked this already... How many of those who are anti-covid vaccine because they are scared of something such as 'cardio myocarditis’ still perfectly happy to go out and get drunk ???

 

Vaccines definitely come with some risk... they always have since the beginning of vaccines - VITT and 

It is only they hysteria of Anti-vaxxers which has become more prevalent. 

 

Some people don’t like being advised, told or forced what to do, they feel their rights have been imposed up. These same people would argue against crisps (potato chips) if they were ‘encouraged’ (advised, told or forced) to eat a packet by authorities / government. 

 

There is a risk of severe side effects from all vaccines - just look up any vaccine and their associated risks. There is a risk associated with putting any foreign body in our bodies.

 

All of this discussion seems to miss balance.

 

Not a strawman argument but recentering on the fundamental underlying issues.

 

"No one has said that there are no adverse effects to be concerned about or aware of with the vaccines."

Absolutely false, it has been repeated thousands of times, including on this forum and I have dozens of screenshots to prove it.

 

"Some people don’t like being advised, told or forced what to do, they feel their rights have been imposed up. These same people would argue against crisps (potato chips) if they were ‘encouraged’ (advised, told or forced) to eat a packet by authorities / government."

Typical attempt to portray those who oppose the Covid jabs as juvenile and dull-witted. The issue here is health, please refer to what I said yesterday about empirical observations.

 

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[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

The real issue is people actually believe the myth you wrote. 

 

Plenty of perfectly healthy people suffered from covid....    the healthy are at less risk than those in high risk groups, but they are not free of risk - your implication is wrong. 

It has nothing to do with "belief", real-world observation is key to this issue.

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

The real issue is people actually believe the myth you wrote. 

 

Plenty of perfectly healthy people suffered from covid....    the healthy are at less risk than those in high risk groups, but they are not free of risk - your implication is wrong. 

It has nothing to do with "belief", real-world observation is key to this issue.

IF your ‘real world observation’ is that perfectly healthy people did not suffer, suffer severely and / or even die from Covid-19 you are wrong. 

[rattlesnake]

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

IF your ‘real world observation’ is that perfectly healthy people did not suffer, suffer severely and / or even die from Covid-19 you are wrong. 

Real-world (a.k.a. empirical) observations are made by actual people based on what they experience and see in their day-to-day lives. As I said yesterday, the issue is becoming so overwhelming that it can't be ignored any longer and denying the obvious is preposterous at this point.

[BonMot]

Why? They don't work.

 

CEO Pfizer 4vax has covid

 

Biden 4vax covid 2x

 

Fauci 8 think twice now as well.

 

Loads of negative medical info about mRNA vax.

 

Why????

[onthedarkside]

A post citing a disallowed YouTube source has been removed, along with an ensuing series of off-topic posts debating that YT content and its author.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, BonMot said:

CEO Pfizer 4vax has covid

 

Biden 4vax covid 2x

 

Fauci 8 think twice now as well.

 

To the contrary....

 

Bourla is age 60. Fauci is 81 and Biden is 79. The latter two especially are in the highest risk age group for severe COVID illness...

 

And yet, with their vaccinations, all three of the above individuals are still alive, AVOIDED hospitalization for COVID, and mostly had/have minor symptoms.

 

That's exactly what the current vaccines have been promoted as being capable of doing with the current Omicron variants.

 

"All currently approved or authorized COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective and reduce your risk of severe illness.

Vaccination can reduce the spread of disease, which helps protect those who get vaccinated and the people around them."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/work.html

[transam]

1 hour ago, BonMot said:

Why? They don't work.

 

CEO Pfizer 4vax has covid

 

Biden 4vax covid 2x

 

Fauci 8 think twice now as well.

 

Loads of negative medical info about mRNA vax.

 

Why????

No vax stops you getting C19, but are those old guys above still alive after getting vaxxed...?  ????

[rumak]

2 hours ago, BonMot said:

Why? They don't work.

 

CEO Pfizer 4vax has covid

 

Biden 4vax covid 2x

 

Fauci 8 think twice now as well.

 

Loads of negative medical info about mRNA vax.

 

Why????

WHY WHY WHY ?    Just no explanation that I can think of.   Millions are beginning to see .

And yet some are still trying to defend.    At least (for now )  the PTB (powers that be )  are realizing that people are going to vote them out.   And backing off ..... a bit

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[BonMot]

41 minutes ago, transam said:

No vax stops you getting C19, but are those old guys above still alive after getting vaxxed...?  ????

No vax stops it? Then it's not a vaccine is it?

 

Think that's a canard, red herring and logical fallacy there bud.

 

 

...and the younger ones seem to be dropping like fleas after a dog's tick bath.

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[transam]

3 minutes ago, BonMot said:

No vax stops it? Then it's not a vaccine is it?

 

Think that's a canard, red herring and logical fallacy there bud.

 

 

...and the younger ones seem to be dropping like fleas after a dog's tick bath.

Well, I could have thought of another word for a jab in the arm, I suppose....????

[transam]

Do Malaria tablets, that zillions of folk have been given, stop you getting Malaria, no, they help you get through it, same as C19 jab...

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, BonMot said:

No vax stops it? Then it's not a vaccine is it?

 

Think that's a canard, red herring and logical fallacy there bud.

 

 

...and the younger ones seem to be dropping like fleas after a dog's tick bath.

No bud, your wrong as no vaccine is 100% effective for any viral disease, they are still vaccines however. 

 

No vaccine is 100% effective, a small percentage of people are not protected after vaccination and for others the protection may wane over time. 

https://www.immune.org.nz/vaccines/efficiency-effectiveness

[CharlieH]

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[BangkokHank]

On 8/15/2022 at 2:13 AM, rattlesnake said:

I am surprised that you are using the VAERS system as a basis for your reasoning as you told rumak yesterday it was flawed and not a credible source…

 

Empirical observation supersedes everything. I did not say 'I know someone,' I said "I know 3 people'. That is 3 more than in my previous 40 years of existence.

 

At this point, denying there is a problem is just presposterous.

 

Right. Exactly. If it was as rare as they say it is, then it would be very unlikely for any of us to know anybody who has been injured by the "vaccines". And yet you (and I) both know people who have been injured.

[coolcarer]

20 minutes ago, BangkokHank said:

Right. Exactly. If it was as rare as they say it is, then it would be very unlikely for any of us to know anybody who has been injured by the "vaccines". And yet you (and I) both know people who have been injured.

I work in a school, all staff and around 800 students all vaccinated, no injuries due to vaccines. 

[BangkokHank]

3 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

I work in a school, all staff and around 800 students all vaccinated, no injuries due to vaccines. 

At least none that you know of. And there won't be - since the "vaccines" are known to be safe and effective, right? So any injury will be attributed to something else.

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, BangkokHank said:

At least none that you know of. And there won't be - since the "vaccines" are known to be safe and effective, right? So any injury will be attributed to something else.

Got it, so when you present an anecdotal reference to people that you know who have supposedly been injured by the vaccines it’s ok. When someone offers their own experiences there has to be an excuse. Try again

[coolcarer]

3 minutes ago, BangkokHank said:

Can you provide a link to your claim that there were no vaccine injuries among the staff and students at the school you work at?

I cannot provide a link for that the same as you cannot provide a link for the claim you know people who have been injured. However nice deflection...

 

 

[onthedarkside]

A post misrepresenting the history of COVID and COVID vaccines has been removed, along with several replies to previously removed posts.

 

[richard_smith237]

8 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Real-world (a.k.a. empirical) observations are made by actual people based on what they experience and see in their day-to-day lives. As I said yesterday, the issue is becoming so overwhelming that it can't be ignored any longer and denying the obvious is preposterous at this point.

Here's your real-world (a.k.a. empirical) observations....  Nong eats some extraordinarily spicy somtam, burns on the way down more than usual, she feels a little tight in her chest....  she had a vaccine a few days earlier... Oh, someone who’s read about myocarditis recent now has empirical evidence that its impacted someone else !!!....    

 

The point I want to make here is that observations made by laymen are likely to be inaccurate....  

Observations made by skilled Doctors on the other hand more likely to be correct - Note, even a standard GP may not be able to accurately diagnose myocarditis or VITT, the patients would have to see specialists. 

 

So... this ‘empirical evidence’ may not be quite as empirical as you’d like to believe..... 

 

That is not suggesting any reports should be ignored, but neither should they be taken for the extreme cases of myocarditis, VITT or any other vaccine induced complication until proven so by specialists.

 

 

 

 

[rumak]

1 hour ago, BangkokHank said:

Right. Exactly. If it was as rare as they say it is, then it would be very unlikely for any of us to know anybody who has been injured by the "vaccines". And yet you (and I) both know people who have been injured.

And I know of three !    2 fairly seriously .      

[rattlesnake]

12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Here's your real-world (a.k.a. empirical) observations....  Nong eats some extraordinarily spicy somtam, burns on the way down more than usual, she feels a little tight in her chest....  she had a vaccine a few days earlier... Oh, someone who’s read about myocarditis recent now has empirical evidence that its impacted someone else !!!....    

 

The point I want to make here is that observations made by laymen are likely to be inaccurate....  

Observations made by skilled Doctors on the other hand more likely to be correct - Note, even a standard GP may not be able to accurately diagnose myocarditis or VITT, the patients would have to see specialists. 

 

So... this ‘empirical evidence’ may not be quite as empirical as you’d like to believe..... 

 

That is not suggesting any reports should be ignored, but neither should they be taken for the extreme cases of myocarditis, VITT or any other vaccine induced complication until proven so by specialists.

 

 

 

 

The 3 cases I know of were confirmed by doctors, 2 of these people were exempted from taking any other shots. If it was just me then it would be an extraordinary coincidence, but I have spoken to several people who shared similar experiences and observations.

 

There is no need to overcomplicate things here, I can tell when something is wrong and I am far from being the only one who thinks this. Simply discarding it as "lack of understanding of science" or some other tortuous rationale does not cut it anymore.

[rattlesnake]

13 minutes ago, rumak said:

And I know of three !    2 fairly seriously .      

I know of 3 myocarditis cases, one woman (26 years old with no health issues) who died of a stroke 1 week after her 2nd Pfizer shot, 1 30 year-old who suffered a miscarriage, 2 people (63 and 66 years old) who developed severe arthrosis, one person who had a "health scare" after her 2nd AZ shot and spent a month in hospital (although I don't know any details), 1 who lost the use of his legs, 2 cases of debilitating tinnitus and 2 cases of chronic migraines.

 

I am expecting to be told it doesn't prove anything etc., I'm saying it anyway. 2/3 of these people (those who are still alive) are certain of what caused their problems (the elephant in the room).

[richard_smith237]

31 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I know of 3 myocarditis cases, one woman (26 years old with no health issues) who died of a stroke 1 week after her 2nd Pfizer shot, 1 30 year-old who suffered a miscarriage, 2 people (63 and 66 years old) who developed severe arthrosis, one person who had a "health scare" after her 2nd AZ shot and spent a month in hospital (although I don't know any details), 1 who lost the use of his legs, 2 cases of debilitating tinnitus and 2 cases of chronic migraines.

 

I am expecting to be told it doesn't prove anything etc., I'm saying it anyway. 2/3 of these people (those who are still alive) are certain of what caused their problems (the elephant in the room).

I know of 5 people who had a stroke. 4 who had a heard attack. 

I had a Pulmonary Embolism, a couple of females I know suffered a miscarriage...

 

All before the covid vaccine though....  you are right - your anecdote doesn’t prove anything coincidence is not causation....  

 

I had a P.E. in April 2020, a friend did also - brought on by Covid-19 ???.... or is it something that just happened ?... again, cause can’t be proved... coincidence is not cause. 

 

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Health issues proven to be caused by a vaccine are real stats, members of this forum know of such issues diagnosed by medical specialists.... (*they were medical specialists and not just general doctors guessing it could be vaccine related right ?)... 

 

... I think I had, I’m certain it caused... etc etc... is not proof of anything. 

 

It is interesting that those who are arguing ‘anti-vax’ also personally know of multiple of individuals who have ‘prove’ vaccine complications (*see comment above), when many who are not anti-vax do not know anyone who has suffered vaccine complications....  Strange that.